How can you ever support Capitalism?

[Pingu]

How can you ever support Capitalism?
It just ain't social, deep in your heart you should know Capitalism is bad, so why would you support it?

Can't you just see that left-politic-streams make everybody happy :)

[Loknar]

From my own perspective I ask the same thing of you.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Both have a bad trak record, only difference is a ot of the liberal left aren't too bothered about the past, whearas the right still defend the present situation, however far away it is from what was intended.

In a perfect theory I would actually use some aspects of capitalism, but I just don't see it as effecient as other ideologies, simply because of over production.

[Unrelenting Steve]

What about the people it tramples??? Lets just forget about those "people" in the third world, im sure there all just a myth, I mean have u ever seen them on the news neway?

[Hegemonicretribution]

I hate to defend capitalism, but all I am saying is it is hard for us to defend the fact that capitalist assume all we are is Stalin, Pol Pot etc..When we aer based in theory and the work of Marx and Engels. They have works as well, and the wealth of nations does not want it to be this way.

America isn't very capitalist, it is worse, it is protectionist because it can afford to be. This is why exploitation, protecting own industries, not giving others a chance and abusing them for their labour. It isn't free trade that is the problem, if it was it would be bad, but maybe not quite as bad. However it isn't by making it freer we will succeed, I am a great advocator of fair trade. We have a mess now, the capitalists take the richest countries and hail them as a success, negating the fact that it is only at the expense of most other countries this happens. This is not capitalism at work, this is capitalism failing, and because it is failing is the reason for change.

Like I said the ideology is better than the mess, and I hat this mess with a passion, I also find faults in the ideology. Communism got bad press because it is authoritarian, the thing I find is bopth systems work better where they are more liberal.

Capitalism would work best with anarchy, trade would truelly be free from government.

Communism would work best in anarchy.

[sliverchrist]

Capitalism has good pts. of course <but most things do> and to ignore them and say just fuck it, aren&#39;t very becoming of anyone who seriously wants to evolve beyond our present social state.

On a whole, communism and its ilk or so much better for everyone on a material basis <theoretically>, as anyone who has any knowledge of it knows. And for the most part, most of the negative aspects of this economic system are just slander due to the fear it caused in the last century.

While my own readings on both communism and capitalism are too slim for my own liking, I do not have a very hard time coming to the conclusion that supporting captalism is contrary to the well being of the rest of the world.

Thats my bit.

[suffianr]

Capitalism would work best with anarchy, trade would truelly be free from government.

Spot on, hegemonicretrobution&#33;

Free markets are elusive in that most governments need to intervene at certain points, to regulate trade. If you impose conditions on foreign investment, well, that&#39;s intervention, isn&#39;t it?

The idea of free markets sounds terribly impressive on paper, but in truth, competition is always regulated. If not through protectionist policies, then through such mundane things as oligarchical structures that impose a bearing on who get&#39;s whose contracts because they took someone for a round of golf somewhere or snuck a few checks under the table before the final presentation in pitching for an account.

In other words, the free market cannot exist unless there is a corruption-free environment.

Which capitalist-based economy regulates corruption? All of them do. In most cases, it&#39;s all about that round of golf or expensive buffet dinner at an exclusive hotel or the latest batch of free Nokias (insert favoured bribe here) that determines how free the market is.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 06:54 PM
How can you ever support Capitalism?
It just ain&#39;t social, deep in your heart you should know Capitalism is bad, so why would you support it?

Can&#39;t you just see that left-politic-streams make everybody happy :)
I can&#39;t, capitalism has long ago worn out it&#39;s usefulness. We must move towards a system that betters society and does not hold people back in oppression. Yes, "deep in [my] heart," I have always known there to be some serious fundemental flaw in society. Now I know it to be capitalism. No subserviant supporter here, only resistance and deconstructive efforts.

Loknar: "From my own perspective I ask the same thing of you."
Then again, you would be making up stories :rolleyes:

"Can&#39;t you just see that left-politic-streams make everybody happy :)"
Not the ruling class criminals but fuck them anyway :hammer:

[uth1984]

There are many reasons to support capitalism. My personal favorite is how it feels to wear nice trainers. Oh, and not beingt locked up in a fucking prison is pretty cool, too.

[(*]

Hmmm....The problem with capitalism is that most corporations or capitalist are not socially-aware, and the government, of course, doesn&#39;t care either....which leaves the disadvantaged at an even greater disadvantage.

However, people should still have the opportunity to be as successful (economically) as they want....

[sliverchrist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2003, 12:01 AM
There are many reasons to support capitalism. My personal favorite is how it feels to wear nice trainers. Oh, and not beingt locked up in a fucking prison is pretty cool, too.
Two million in a damned prison is a whole lot. Especially when it is minor drug charges.

no challenge intended, just a thought.

[uth1984]

Yeah, the war on drugs is fuckin terrifing. Someone I know did 2 years for one ounce. You know, the USA imprisions more people than Stalin?&#33; But not for thinking that that enforced socialism sucks.

[mentalbunny]

The problem with capitalism is that it goes wrong very easily. As soon as you get big companies, I mean bigger than the others, you have problems, it&#39;s no longer a level playing field. And when people start worshipping the amrket as opposed to seeing it as a means to an end it really fucks up. But hey, that&#39;s humans for you, we&#39;re all shit heads in the end.

[Hegemonicretribution]

The problem with capitalism is the idology itself is flawed, not that communism is ideologically 100% perfect in my oppinion. But if there were any capitalists that were up for a serious debate I will hapily point out actual flaws of capitalism. There are a number that I can see and have not had anyone argue otherwise...yet.

Even then real capitalism would be better than this sad atempt.

[Pingu]

in capitalism i see inequality <_< , you get always that some people or companies are much too powerfull. You always get a elite who rules the masses