Obama is just not gonna stop

[RGacky3]

Digging his own grave

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/29/federal-pay-freeze-obama_n_789141.html

This is the stupidest thing he could do, hurting the working class employed by the government, to fix a problem made by the wealthy, made by the Capitalists, he punishes the working class, its typical and its gonna bite him in the ass.

They say he's bowing to rightwing pressure, but I don't think so, NO ONE, not one person, is this much of a pussy, even a dude that pisses his pants when he sees a mouse would be more tough than that.

Moves like this are gonna drop the last bit of progressives that still hold on to the hope and change banner, come election time, it will bite him in the ass, once he's lost the progressives, who does he have left? Hopefuly theres a primary contender from the left.

It also looks like unemployment is gonna stop too, this is class war at its worst, and the people are gonna fight back, you won't see it on Fox news until it gets huge, but its gonna be there, and its about damn time the lower classes fight back.

[Princess Luna]

all this won't matter if Sarah Palin runs against Obama in 2012 , people maybe sick of Obama but they are not stupid enough to elect a person whose idea of foriegn policy is "i can see russia from my house!"

[RGacky3]

Or maybe they just won't vote because they are too hungry.

[StockholmSyndrome]

A few months ago I might have been surprised by this, but I've come to realize that Obama was never anything but a neoliberal who would always represent the bourgeoisie in the class war. I guess a primary contender from the left is the most we can ask for from an electoral standpoint.

It's high time the people in my country start organizing and making our voices heard outside of the establishment-sanctioned channels (Rally to Restore Sanity/ One Nation). We need to fight back, not only against the policies of our government, but also against mainstream ideological hegemony, i.e. the increasing stigmatization of the word "socialism", and the media-constructed dichotomy of "Democracy vs. Communism".

[RGacky3]

I think thats gonna start happening, either theres gonna be a progressive coup in the democratic party, or a lot of people are gonna start looking to other means of getting change, which is really whats gonna change things.

[Burn A Flag]

Lol I'm voting for Sarah Palin in 2012 if she runs. I think it would be so embarassing for the US government if she won.

[Dimentio]

The progressives would hold their noses and vote for him anyway, just to not have something like that. It's the centre voters that must be appeased.

[RGacky3]

Lol I'm voting for Sarah Palin in 2012 if she runs. I think it would be so embarassing for the US government if she won.


Well if you do I hope you like being unemloyed with no unemployment, and have grandma not have social-security, and have banks and corporations pretty much control the whole of the country, even parts they don't control now, and destroy any progressive change that leftists and real progressives have fought for in America tooth and nail with blood and sweat over the last 100 years.

[Pierre.Laporte]

It's funny how every country going through austerity measures right now is making the working class suffer, while the super-rich investing class is largely untouched.

[Bud Struggle]

I remeber before the '08 election a reporter interviewed George W. Bush and asked him if was worried that Obama might get into the White House. Bush said that he really didn't care. He said that no matter who got in to be President he would make similar decisions as Bush made. He said for the most part there were no other options.

It seems that Obama is proving Bush right.


On a further note--it the progressives take off from the Democratic party, they have a Tea Party type group of their own--I'm guessing with about as much success as the Tea Partiers.

[RGacky3]

The Tea party has been pretty much taken over by the republicans and big buisiness, watch a lot of tea partiers get really dissapointed and watch the tea party movement loose momentum.

Hopefully the left in America will take a much more of the early century approach, the 1930s approach and the 1960s approach. The difference between the progressives and the tea party is progressives don't have massiave corporate backing, it is genuinely grassroots. The tea party took off when corporate America backed them, before that they were just an obscure libertarianesque protest group. Progressives won't get corporate backing, they'll have to do it with Actual numbers and actual passion.

Bush was right, corporations owned Obama as much as Bush. But I remember you saying Obama was a socialist :), and us socialists saying he's gonna be exactly what he is, not trying to gloat, but damn do Socialists understand the way politics work or what.

[ComradeMan]

Is Obama really in charge though? Or is he just a poltical marionette?

[RGacky3]

Is Obama really in charge though? Or is he just a poltical marionette?


He was in charge, in probably the most complete way before the 2010 elections, but he worked for those that paid him.

[Burn A Flag]

Well if you do I hope you like being unemloyed with no unemployment, and have grandma not have social-security, and have banks and corporations pretty much control the whole of the country, even parts they don't control now, and destroy any progressive change that leftists and real progressives have fought for in America tooth and nail with blood and sweat over the last 100 years.

Well the way I see it, The USA is already losing those changes. I find Sarah Palin ideologically repugnant (of course), and I think that if she is president, the revolutionary left might see a surge, since obviously her presidency will be a travesty and having Obama as an example of the Democrats failure right beforehand will make people despise the liberals and conservatives. It needs to be demonstrated once and for all that voting brings no change in the system.

[Cirno(9)]

Does he think he's appease the tea partiers this way? Showing his birth certificate didn't stop them from saying he doesn't have a a birth certificate

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

Obama has shown himself to be neither wise nor politically gifted.

He was too much of a pussy to stand up for gays in the military.

He was too much of a pussy to orchestrate real healthcare reform.

He was too much of a pussy to really challenge BP early on in the spill and let a crisis that should have been his for the taking get away.

He's way too much of a little puss to try and get the banks sitting on hundreds of billions of $'s, supplied by the govt, to use those funds approving loans and growing the economy.

Only now, when talking about cutting raises for government workers does he stand firm.

[Princess Luna]

Lol I'm voting for Sarah Palin in 2012 if she runs. I think it would be so embarassing for the US government if she won.
i think you will come to regret that vote when she starts bombing Iran.

[GPDP]

i think you will come to regret that vote when she starts bombing Iran.

>implying Obama would never do the same

[Princess Luna]

>implying Obama would never do the same
i think Obama would be far less likely , Palin has already attacked Obama for agreeing to meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions.

[RGacky3]

the revolutionary left might see a surge, since obviously her presidency will be a travesty and having Obama as an example of the Democrats failure right beforehand will make people despise the liberals and conservatives. It needs to be demonstrated once and for all that voting brings no change in the system.

What we will see a surge is death in the middle east, soup kitchens and homeless people.

THe majoirty of the country already know that voting brings no change in the system, which is why only around 30% of the voters actually vote.

That sort of leftist "strategy" is immoral and counter productive, when your hungry people will sell their soul for a sandwich.

[synthesis]

I think thats gonna start happening, either theres gonna be a progressive coup in the democratic party, or a lot of people are gonna start looking to other means of getting change, which is really whats gonna change things.

Unfortunately, given the state of American politics, we may have to accept the possibility that Obama was the progressive coup in the Democratic Party.

[RGacky3]

Unfortunately, given the state of American politics, we may have to accept the possibility that Obama was the progressive coup in the Democratic Party.

He was a corporatist that rode the wave of the progressive coup to get into power and then impliment corporatist policies.

Hopefully progressives learned their lesson, which is "don't listen to what they say, listen to who pays them, and don't trust politicians, do it yourself."

[synthesis]

Honestly, I think he was a leftist who assimilated into a reactionary system, as they all do. And progressives never learn their lesson. In every sense of the word, idealism has a strong allure.

[GPDP]

Honestly, I think he was a leftist who assimilated into a reactionary system, as they all do. And progressives never learn their lesson. In every sense of the word, idealism has a strong allure.

IMO, that's being far too nice to him. Even before he became a senator, he was hardly progressive, save for perhaps his support for single-payer insurance.

[synthesis]

IMO, that's being far too nice to him. Even before he became a senator, he was hardly progressive, save for perhaps his support for single-payer insurance.

No, you're right, of course, relative to the rest of the world. I forgot to qualify my appraisal as being relative to "mainstream" U.S. politics.

[RGacky3]

save for perhaps his support for single-payer insurance

Its amazing how fast that got dropped to a measly public option, and how fast that got dropped to nothing.

But hey money will do that, Obama was an awesome investment for health insurance companies.

[GPDP]

Its amazing how fast that got dropped to a measly public option, and how fast that got dropped to nothing.

But hey money will do that, Obama was an awesome investment for health insurance companies.

And yet he's a Marxist-Leninist to the Republicans.

It's like in that Tom Tomorrow comic strip, where the Democrat's idea of health insurance reform is giving people bottles of aspirin, and the Republican says "whoa, what is this, Soviet Russia?"

We just can't fucking win in this fucked up hellhole of a country.