Ireland goes down

[RGacky3]

http://www.anarkismo.net/article/18077
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/28/ireland-bailout-european-union_n_788922.html

The Euro is going down, next is gonna be spain, then portugal. Its interesting that Ireland suffered the same problem that greece did, insane speculation, and buying from the hedgefunders, and essencially listening to the banksters saying "its gonna be ok, just listen to us, we'll keep things going."

We all know what Ireland is gonna do, but I hope that the people can make a dent, to stop the government from punishing the people for what the banksters and hedgefunders did along with the state. What they need to do is to stop sucking up to the banksters and hedgefunders and stop considering paying them off as their top priority, those are the people that need to be punished financially. As soon as the IMF goes in you know whats gonna happen.

[LeftScot]

The limits of European integration have been demonstrated clearly during this crisis, as the contradictions between the different economies in the euro zone have become more acute, while on a world level capitalism is in an impasse from which it cannot escape. The only solution in the long run is the abolition of capitalism in Ireland and on a European and international scale!

[Che a chara]

It's a pity that we wont see any armed Irish republican attacks on the capitalist class/institutions in the Free state. The IMF need a fright. Bomb their upcoming investments.

Civil disobedience has been called though.

[Ocean Seal]

The IMF has spread its oppression too thin. The more countries that go under the more that they have to suppress. This kind of unrest can only lead to trouble for the IMF. The fight is coming, perhaps the struggle in Europe can awaken America somehow. The revolutionary spirit is lacking in these tough times.

[RGacky3]

Bomb their upcoming investments.

Civil disobedience has been called though.

Terrible, TERRIBLE idea.



The IMF has spread its oppression too thin. The more countries that go under the more that they have to suppress. This kind of unrest can only lead to trouble for the IMF. The fight is coming, perhaps the struggle in Europe can awaken America somehow. The revolutionary spirit is lacking in these tough times.


All the IMF needs is collaberation from the state, in my opinion, the IMF is gonna make the loans happily because they are gonna be able to restructure the economy.

[Che a chara]

Terrible, TERRIBLE idea.

Why so ? Militant actions against this exploitive, monolithic parasite are not only legitimate in the current conditions, but are a sure way of opening the consciousness.

You can bet that if the IMF had got their grubby hands on the occupied 6 counties of Ireland, then they would get a sore touch from certain quarters. What other way would you combat the threat posed by the IMF, if not one of militancy and civil disobedience ?

[RGacky3]

but are a sure way of opening the consciousness.


Bombing buildings? in a state where you have many many other options? Thats a sure way to ruin your chances at anything.

THe problem is'nt consciousness, people know things are shitty, do you think your gonna get them on your side by doing a pointless act of voilence like that?


You can bet that if the IMF had got their grubby hands on the occupied 6 counties of Ireland, then they would get a sore touch from certain quarters. What other way would you combat the threat posed by the IMF, if not one of militancy and civil disobedience ?

Civil disobedience yeah, strikes, occupations and so on, pointless terrorism? No.

[bretty]

Terrible, TERRIBLE idea.



All the IMF needs is collaberation from the state, in my opinion, the IMF is gonna make the loans happily because they are gonna be able to restructure the economy.

IMF loans are always collaborated with the countries state, it doesn't change the fact that the state has no choice in the matter. The loans are given on the contingency that the state follows the structural adjustment policy outlined in the loans guidelines.

Are you suggesting that the IMF can successfully restructure the state?

[danyboy27]

IMF loans are always collaborated with the countries state, it doesn't change the fact that the state has no choice in the matter. The loans are given on the contingency that the state follows the structural adjustment policy outlined in the loans guidelines.

Are you suggesting that the IMF can successfully restructure the state?

the IMF have been restructuring states since the 1970s bro! wake up!
what happening in europe is exactly what happened to third world nations!

lend ton of money, knowing they will be unable to pay off in time, then, authorise a second loan, but with outrageous interest rates. In order to pay up, the state have no choice but to liquidate most of the assets he own, or cut some deal with privates corporations.

at the end of the game, most of the country asset are privatized, even better, taxes are raised and given to corporation has an incentive to build their factory inside of it!

and the buck dosnt stop here! since most of essential services are privatized, the corporation who own them will charge extra fee to the state and its citizen to be able to use it.

[HEAD ICE]

It's a pity that we wont see any armed Irish republican attacks on the capitalist class/institutions in the Free state. The IMF need a fright. Bomb their upcoming investments.

Civil disobedience has been called though.


thank feuerbach you are restricted

[Che a chara]

thank feuerbach you are restricted

Strange that you give no reason, just an ill attempt at a dig ..... :rolleyes:

[RGacky3]

Are you suggesting that the IMF can successfully restructure the state?

Successfully for the ruling class yeah, not for everyone else.

What I"m suggesting is that sending bombs out is a dumb idea and don't help other than alienate people and bring down serious state repression.

[Che a chara]

Successfully for the ruling class yeah, not for everyone else.

What I"m suggesting is that sending bombs out is a dumb idea and don't help other than alienate people and bring down serious state repression.

No time is more perfect than now for the formation of a new Irish Citizen Army (ICA) :cool:

[RGacky3]

Not the time to start bombing buildings. That stuff does'nt help.

[Bud Struggle]

Not the time to start bombing buildings. That stuff does'nt help.

Gack's right on this one. Once you start bombing whatever message you have will get lost and you will become just another bunch of terrorists nutjobs that society has to root out and destroy.

You message will be linked to innocent working people being hurt or killed (and to be honest--those are the people you will hurt and kill) and you will serve no end but big business--because they can have the state arrest you and humiliate your cause.

[RGacky3]

Especially in a situation like Ireland where the people still have a lot of democratic power.

[Che a chara]

Fair enough folks. maybe because I live in the country i feel more militant/angry about the situation. As I say if the IMF went up north, there probably would have been a more violent reaction from certain elements and I still would think it would be justified anywhere on the island.

[RGacky3]

I form the US, I know people that have DIED from lack of healthcare, literally, because they're insurance company refused to pay for treatment or because they don't have any. I know people that were laid off, while the CEOs got golden parachutes, for disasters that the CEOS caused (mainly to get higher bonuses to show of the quarterly report). Believe me there is nothing I'd want more than to punch out a health insurance executive (if I ever get to one I'd probably do it).

But its not gonna help, its an emotional response, it'll make you feel good for a second but thats it, what we need is a rational response that will make a difference.

You know who did it right? Bolivia, during the water wars.