View Full Version : Is the (left-)radicalization of conservatives even better?
Die Neue Zeit
29th November 2010, 00:28
The other thread dealt with left-radicalization of liberals, so I pose this thread for another angle.
There are ordinary folks who are passive or heavy on social conservatism but are quite flexible economically. Would a left-radicalization of these conservatives be even better than the left-radicalization of liberals?
Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk
29th November 2010, 01:06
I haven't read the other thread, but I'd go ahead and say that, from the left's point of view, the (left)radicalization of any person, regardless of their previous political standing point, is a good thing.
Why does it matter what their previous views were if they come to accept our views as correct?
Burn A Flag
29th November 2010, 01:11
I think it's even better, because it removes some of the right's support.
penguinfoot
29th November 2010, 01:23
The other thread dealt with left-radicalization of liberals, so I pose this thread for another angle.
There are ordinary folks who are passive or heavy on social conservatism but are quite flexible economically. Would a left-radicalization of these conservatives be even better than the left-radicalization of liberals?
Revolutionary politics isn't about holding a set of "economic" positions and then having a separate set of positions on "social" issues, that's a totally infantile approach, because it separates out the social, the political and the economy, rather than viewing societies as integrated totalities in which different forms of oppression are linked to and interact with each other, and reduces our politics to a check-list of "issues" that are seen to have little or no relation to each other, some of these "issues" being much more important than others, rather than acknowledging that revolutionary politics exists as a coherent whole, and that the role of revolutionaries is to be tribunes of the people, orientated against all forms of oppression and exploitation.
Thirsty Crow
29th November 2010, 14:32
The other thread dealt with left-radicalization of liberals, so I pose this thread for another angle.
There are ordinary folks who are passive or heavy on social conservatism but are quite flexible economically. Would a left-radicalization of these conservatives be even better than the left-radicalization of liberals?
Here's a silly idea: it would be best if both groups underwent the process of "radicalization", although I agree with penguinfoot regarding his/her view on revolutionary politics.
The Garbage Disposal Unit
29th November 2010, 14:50
To begin, I certainly don't think winning "conservatives" over to better economic ideas (which is probably a problematic idea in and of itself) without addressing their social conservatism (Homophobia, patriarchal attitudes, racism, nationalism, etc.) has any particular value, since the economy isn't a magical free-floating entity that is independent of these things. THAT SAID, in some senses it is sometimes easier, in my personal experience, to get through to knee-jerk conservatives than to ideologically committed liberals, since the latter are absolutely convinced of the merits of liberal-democratic capitalism, while the latter tend to just be pissed off and confused.
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