Are you guys just rebelous teens?

[Loknar]

If you are it sure does explain allot.

Another thing, why does this site sell t-shirts? isnt that capitalism?

[Elect Marx]

What do you hope to accomplish by asking questions that insualt your own intelligence? If you pay any attention to the forums, you know better. You could have taken a poll to see what the ages of participants on this board are. Yet you chose to be completely unproductive. If you are supporting an agenda other that leftist causes, you are failing horribly and you are in the wrong place.

T-shirts are sold to promote our cause, this is not capitalistic in nature but sinse we live in a capitalist society, we must work within our means. This is our only option until we can gather enough support to revolt. Then someday, we can give out free T-shirts.
I already have one, Viva la revolucion!!!

[Loknar]

Well hell any time I try to engage in an intelligent conversation I only get scorn. So I am under the imnpression that miost of you are highschool students who wear Che t-shirts.

[Urban Rubble]

Well, most of the people on here ARE just rebelious teens. But there are some good folks here.

Are you the one that had the Cartman avatar ? Aren't you the guy who was bragging about how strong he was ? Didn't we find someone that knew you in real life and told us that you were just a little fat kid ?

[Loknar]

Yeah I have on occasion sank into return name calling out of furstration and throwing the "I'll kick your ass" threats at people. No it must have been someone else, not me that's for sure. And I did have the Cartman avatar.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 09:33 PM
If you are it sure does explain allot.

Another thing, why does this site sell t-shirts? isnt that capitalism?
I was wondering the same thing myself, and I think the dumb fuck may have us on something.
Good Job, Loknar. Quick someone, kill this topic and ban Loknar so our little fantasy land can self-perpetuate!

[FatFreeMilk]

Teen? So what. Rebelious? Not really. What about you hmm hmm :blink:

[sliverchrist]

Rebelous? Sure, and I know that I'm still a teenager?

I don't think that has to much to do with explaining anything. You have the best dreams and ambitions at this age in your life, the most potential, and the most will.

So long as I get smarter and wiser, I hope I still can squeeze into this mold of myself when I'm too "old" to be a rebelous teen.

[FatFreeMilk]

oops I pressed the arrow next to where it says "report this post" and the last post went bye bye . :unsure: sorry I guess

Ok nevermind... :D

[Nobody]

No, we are REBELLIOUS kids who can not spell.

[sliverchrist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 11:10 AM
No, we are REBELLIOUS kids who can not spell.
haha :lol:

now i feel silly.

[RedCeltic]

Hmmm, well I'm sure that there are some "rebelious youths" on this board. However, with an open mind, I have grown to respect most young people who post on this board, and view them rather as intelectual-revolutionaries, who have something in common with the same types I meet in college.

The type of 'revolutionary' that you have in mind, the one who listens to Rage against the Machine and desires some sort of 'rebel look', is perhaps the most rare of sorts you would chance upon through these pages.

In my mind, there are only two types of "real" revolutionaries. The first type, and probobly the type most young revolutionaries are, would be the intelectual type. They are the people that have a curious mind, and soak up political theory as quickly as they can get their hands on it.

The other type is more like myself. Someone who worked for a living for a number of years, (I'm 32 years old and worked as a plumber for a long time) know the place workers have in a capitalist society, know first hand how capitalism affects their day to day life... and come to socialism, not because red flags and photos of Lenin are cool, but because they know there must be a better way out there than the way we are doing things now!

As to the T-Shirt thing, to think that selling T-Shirts to pay for a webserver is capitalism, than you should read more about economics. If selling something is equivilant to capitalism... than all societies since the dawn of time that had a market, or any exchange of goods, practiced "captialism".

In fact, a market, does not equil capitalism. Take for example the Aztec empire. Within the Aztec, they had large outdoor market places where goods produced by crafts people were sold for a curency that considted of a bean.

This is not Capitalism. Why? They did not sell land and labor. The moment you sell land and labor, you are moving to a capitalist system. Now, if Che-Lives paid a few people minimum wage to ship T-shirts, and sold shares of the operation through the stock exchange... it would be capitalism.

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 07:57 PM
So I am under the imnpression that miost of you are highschool students who wear Che t-shirts.
Had you put the I after the O, it would have said "MOIST." LOL!

Baby, I'm out of high school and I own 2 Che shirts, for your information. And I wear them so I can get questions from people and so that I can explain the great man that Che Guevara was. I'm not a rebellious teen who feigns interest in communism and socialism. Sure, I'm rebellious, and yes, I'm 18, but I am truly a liberal in my heart and soul. I don't fake it.

UrbanRubble, I'd have to disagree with you about most of us being rebellious teens. Just about every teen on here (I've talked to almost all of teh active ones) have a sincere interest in Che, leftism and even if not, they have a sincere interest in learning. To me, that's good enough..

[Xvall]

Are you guys just rebelous teens?

Yes. Now fuck off.

No, I'm just playing with ya. But seriously. What kind of question is that? Considering that we've never been able to get every single person's age on this board, we don't know. However, many of the people on this board who have been here the longest are not teenagers. So no; we aren't all just teens. Rebellious? Hell Yes. Generally, people with revolutionary ideologies are rebellious. I haven't met many left-wingers who think it is a good idea to 'go with the system'. Yes. We are rebellious. Some clues like, 'Raido Rebelde', or the posts talking about revolution may lead people to come to these conclusions.

Pleasant day, sir. And don't touch my wine.

[apathy maybe]

I am a rebellious teen, but only because I can see what a mess the system is in. I don't rebel against symbols of authority that help me (teachers & parents for instance) but I do rebel against the authority that is doing nothing for me and myn. Nothing for those across the street who live in a slum. Nothing for those who could live a better life except can not for the government runs the show for the rich. I rebel against a corrupt system. And I don't own a Che t-shirt.

[RedCeltic]

I have a Che-flag hanging in my living room... haha... My roommate isn&#39;t too keen on it, but I have to put up with her collection of frog statues. <_<

I think what our friend is saying is that people here put on airs of being a revolutionary, much the same way as someone may have a purple mowhawk, or wear a leather jacket. As I&#39;ve previously said, I see that from time to time here, but not among the members that I actually pay attention to. ;)

I&#39;d also like to know why is it that those who fight for social equality on this board have to constantly defend their credibility, and/or right to do so... while those like this thread&#39;s author, show no qualifications for being someone experienced in economics enough to defend wage slavory, economic totoliterianism... better known as &#39;captialism.&#39;

By all apperence, the individual appears to me, to be someone who as afraid of something/someone different. Perhaps is leary of someone with their hair a bit too long, or dress funny. Perhaps thinks that questioning athority is sacreligious. haha

[Loknar]

That&#39;s a good thing that you guys hold true to your beliefs. On a message board however surely we can talk in a more civilized manner&#33;? I hold nothing against you guys even if you&#39;re commies but I do not mind having a debate with you. However when I post something I do not appreciate responses like "I fuckin hate you loknar". Anyway, to the ones who are intent on doing stuff like that please keep in mind that this is an OI forum and usually I like debating not flaming back and forth. I am sorry for making a generalization about all of you but the ones who do the flaming and insults led me to believe that.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 02:03 AM
I have a Che-flag hanging in my living room... haha... My roommate isn&#39;t too keen on it, but I have to put up with her collection of frog statues. <_<

I think what our friend is saying is that people here put on airs of being a revolutionary, much the same way as someone may have a purple mowhawk, or wear a leather jacket. As I&#39;ve previously said, I see that from time to time here, but not among the members that I actually pay attention to. ;)

I&#39;d also like to know why is it that those who fight for social equality on this board have to constantly defend their credibility, and/or right to do so... while those like this thread&#39;s author, show no qualifications for being someone experienced in economics enough to defend wage slavory, economic totoliterianism... better known as &#39;captialism.&#39;

By all apperence, the individual appears to me, to be someone who as afraid of something/someone different. Perhaps is leary of someone with their hair a bit too long, or dress funny. Perhaps thinks that questioning athority is sacreligious. haha
HER frog Statues?
Co-ED Dorm...sweet ;)

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 06:15 AM
That&#39;s a good thing that you guys hold true to your beliefs. On a message board however surely we can talk in a more civilized manner&#33;? I hold nothing against you guys even if you&#39;re commies but I do not mind having a debate with you. However when I post something I do not appreciate responses like "I fuckin hate you loknar". Anyway, to the ones who are intent on doing stuff like that please keep in mind that this is an OI forum and usually I like debating not flaming back and forth. I am sorry for making a generalization about all of you but the ones who do the flaming and insults led me to believe that.
I do not appreciate responses like "I fuckin hate you loknar"

I&#39;m gonna die laughing. You did kind of insult the people of this board but I wouldn&#39;t make that quote. No hard feelings, even though your not a commie :lol:

[IHP]

Young 13 year old Loknar from the suburbs of Maryland. How art thou? Long time no see. Still an 18 year old 300 hundred pounder?

Well quite contrary to all your halo thrusting, you were in fact the one who started abusing us, we simply retaliated. I, indeed, remeber how you were backed into corners on several occasions and yet only flamed us. You cannot honestly stand there and play the pure.

Secondly, no we are not &#39;rebelous&#39; teens. Are you a gung-ho jingoist? "If you are it sure does explain allot.
"

--IHP

[RedCeltic]

HER frog Statues?
Co-ED Dorm...sweet

Co-Ed apartment really haha... but what I really like about it is that she usually stays at her boyfriend&#39;s place, except for weekends, so it&#39;s usually just me and the anoying frogs. ;)


no we are not &#39;rebelous&#39; teens. Are you a gung-ho jingoist?

hahaha :lol: That was great&#33;

[Loknar]

I admited I engaged in flame wars. I am not standing pure.

[Fidelbrand]

anyone who manages to come to this site... won&#39;t be just a rebel without a cause, nor without an intention to know more abt Che. ;)

[IHP]

Thanks RC, I have been wanting to ask him that for a while.

Loknar, the posts from you so far in this thread have indicated that you were blaing everyone else for flaming. I was just pointing out that you in fact flamed everyone as well...including me I might add.

--IHP

[EneME]

I was wondering the same thing myself, and I think the dumb fuck may have us on something.
Good Job, Loknar. Quick someone, kill this topic and ban Loknar so our little fantasy land can self-perpetuate&#33;
Lol good one...and no I&#39;m not a teenage rebel...I dont have a mohawk, nor do I listen to good charlotte and steal trinkets. I&#39;m a 21 year old woman whose in college, and I didn&#39;t just one day wake up with this "cool new commie look" but I come from a war torn country thx to US Foreign Policy...so maybe you should listen/read more before assuming

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 10:33 PM
If you are it sure does explain allot.

Another thing, why does this site sell t-shirts? isnt that capitalism?
we need to sell the merchandise to KEEP THE SITE RUNNING&#33;&#33;&#33;

There isn&#39;t enough monthly donations alone to do so. So unless you feel like pitching in a healthy sum of your mooolah, I&#39;d be quiet if I were you. Do you donate to help pay for the site&#39;s expences? No, probabaly not. In fact, neither do I, but I will get to it eventually. Some of the products that we sell are actually made in Cuba, so it is aiding the Cuban economy at the same time.

[CubanFox]

Where are you from EneMe?

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 01:33 AM
If you are it sure does explain allot.

Another thing, why does this site sell t-shirts? isnt that capitalism?
Yes, because under socialism we wouldn&#39;t wear t-shirts, we would all wear identical cloaks made out of cling film.

[Invader Zim]

You have it all wrong, I am a "rebellious" (im not even going to pretend i can spell that word) teen who listens to Manic street preachers, not RATM.

So selling teeshirts is capitaliststic??? Does that mean selling my sole is capitalistsic as well... Me and satan had a great deal as well.

[Sasafrás]

REBELLIOUS... That&#39;s how it&#39;s spelled. You got it, AK47.

Anyway, I agree with Drake. The left ways are considered "rebellious" anyway. Many of us are teens, but I think the majority are 20-somethings. How old are you Loknar??

[dopediana]

i&#39;m rebellious in a certain sense of the word. i don&#39;t have a 12 inch mohawk. i don&#39;t have my lip pierced. i don&#39;t do drugs. i&#39;m more rebellious where thoughts and politics and social issues are concerned. i&#39;ll say what i think. i won&#39;t shirk. i won&#39;t mince words. i won&#39;t hesitate. if you piss me off, i&#39;ll let you know.

i&#39;m 17, hailing from virginia.

[Danton]

Call me a cynical but I&#39;d wager that half or more of the youngsters here will denounce communism when they get into the real world and have to look after themselves... I hope not but it seems inevitable....

[sliverchrist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 01:14 AM
Call me a cynical but I&#39;d wager that half or more of the youngsters here will denounce communism when they get into the real world and have to look after themselves... I hope not but it seems inevitable....
yeah, I know that my parents changed, most of my best friends have changed, many times <mostly as far as religion is concerned though>, and I know that I have changed a pt. of view more then once. Changing is fine, it means growth for the most part, and a desire to get past what really deosn&#39;t matter. Compromising though, that is shameful, and not befitting of anyone with conviction.

Good pt. ;)

[suffianr]

I&#39;m already there, Danton.

I&#39;m graduating soon, I&#39;m planning on moving out and I&#39;ll be working fulltime next year.

The Real World is already compelling me to move away from the things I feel most strongly about, and I believe I&#39;m currently at a point where what I choose to do in life next will immediately affect what I stand for.

Here&#39;s Real World for you:

Career-wise, I&#39;m currently torn up over two job offers I recently got: to work as a junior reporter at the newsdesk of a local daily, or to work as a copywriter for a friend&#39;s advertising and events management company.

The former will allow me to continue to contribute towards educating people, creating awareness aoubt important social issues and keeping my focus on the interests of others before that of myself. The latter will allow me to earn heaps of money at the expense of making people think they&#39;re feeling better about themselves when they attend these huge media events or buy products that I convinced them to buy. Which one? Will I lose sight of socialism if I choose to get corpporate? Of course. But I don&#39;t want that.

But I don&#39;t want to end up in some office nine-to-five worrying about stupid things like whether the client would prefer it in a lighter shade of yellow or whatever, and getting caught up in support of a political and economic system that I still do not wish to believe in, and even better, would rather see overthrown in place of socialism.

But it&#39;s good money.

As a copywriter, I stand to earn up to five times more than I would as a mere journalist, and won&#39;t face such daunting things as pay scales or promotions. As a copywriter, I&#39;ll be part of a creative team, and for the most part, I&#39;ll be left to my own devices, creative-wise at least.

So, what&#39;s it going to be? Good money? Or a job that keeps me in touch with my own sense of humanity?

[Danton]

That does seem a difficult choice but I think you&#39;ve already made your mind up, for the best.

Of course whichever you decide you at least have a choice which many never will. It is those who are hoovered helplessly into the leech like system that are most vunerable...It wears you down gradually, cruelly dissembling your convictions one at a time.... That&#39;s why it&#39;s important to start living now the way you intend to carry on and cling tightly because when reality bites you will need more than books and forums to protect those precious, righteous and compassionate thoughts which we all have.....

[Sasafrás]

I guess I&#39;ve already "denounced" communism, and I haven&#39;t reached the real world yet. Well, maybe I have considering I&#39;ve had a job, been stuck with a &#036;20,000 medical bill for my hospitalization in the psych ward, and I&#39;m officially an adult. On a personal level, I just don&#39;t agree with communism (though I find it interesting) because I think it eliminates certain civil liberties. I guess I do agree with certain elements of it, but in total, I don&#39;t think it&#39;s best. I&#39;m not the type that would say "In theory, communism is good, but it will never work." I think it has the potential wo work, but it would take a lot of hard work and dedication. I guess I prefer the middle ground, socialism. I agree with the elimination of the class system and the government ownership of certain industries, but I believe people should be able to own their own house or apartment and be able to start their own business if they want to. To me it only seems right. Because not all people who want to start a business want to do so because of a love for money. For example, I stated in Chit-Chat that I wanted to open a dance club. I really do&#33; I think it would be a great experience for me to have something of my own and something that defines my open-minded character. That, and I want to be stinky rich. :P Just kidding. But I think being able to start a business is cool. And I don&#39;t agree with people who feel that since I&#39;m leftist, I shouldn&#39;t want to start a business. If I&#39;m communist, but I live in a capitalist society and I can&#39;t sit around and live the life of a communist. This would equate to (a) not having a job because "all businesses are the epitome of capitalist greed," (b) Not owning or even renting a house or apartment because "private ownership is the epitome of capitalist greed," and &copy; Basically being a non self-sufficient loser, who would (a) depend on the capitalist government for all my support and well-being, or (b) live a really horrible life and be homeless and have the inability to be seen as an important being in the capitalist society. It would (a) totally suck, and (b) make my life a living hell. You understand?

Like, personally, I want to be a journalist. Or an anthropological writer, or lawyer (environmental, international, or immigration law), or professional translator, or work for the Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services (Though that&#39;s not one of my primary dreams, but I think I could be of service considering I have skills in English, Spanish, and plan to soon have skills in Portuguese, Tagalog, Hebrew, and Arabic). Maybe I should feel bad for potentially wanting to work for the government, but I think BCIS is important and I would do what I can to help people come into the US if that&#39;s what they really want to do. True, there&#39;s a lack of equality for immigrants, but it is also true that in many other countries, their respective economies are not as great as that of the US. In Mexico, it is very difficult to find a good job, from what I understand, but at least in the US they can do something a little better. Sure, it&#39;s most likely going to be a mediocre job of selling oranges out of a bag on the side of the interstate, but if that&#39;s what they want to do, then more power to them. They have the potential to get off of the side of the interstate and into their own store. But, my main point was that I&#39;d love to help immigrants one day. Maybe I open my club, offer good, stable jobs to immigrants, regardless of how skilled they are in the English language, and show them that there is some hope. I want to help people. Journalist or writer: informing people, equals helping people. Lawyer: a given, of course I help people this way. Translator: Making things easier for people who cannot speak English well, support for my fellow man.

Also, I have a question. Why is it that people are always criticizing the US Goverment as being evil and capitalist when Hong Kong is the MOST capitalist place on the face of the earth? At least in the US, they&#39;ll provide you with free health care. In HK, yo&#39; ass betta get out and find your own shit, cuz the government ain&#39;t givin&#39; yo&#39; ass nothin&#39;.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 06:15 AM
That&#39;s a good thing that you guys hold true to your beliefs. On a message board however surely we can talk in a more civilized manner&#33;? I hold nothing against you guys even if you&#39;re commies but I do not mind having a debate with you. However when I post something I do not appreciate responses like "I fuckin hate you loknar". Anyway, to the ones who are intent on doing stuff like that please keep in mind that this is an OI forum and usually I like debating not flaming back and forth. I am sorry for making a generalization about all of you but the ones who do the flaming and insults led me to believe that.
Like I said, I was joking with the &#39;fuck off&#39; comment. I&#39;ve got nothing against ya&#33;

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Are you guys just rebelous teens?

at least i&#39;m not a capitalist

[Felicia]

quote from danton
Call me a cynical but I&#39;d wager that half or more of the youngsters here will denounce communism when they get into the real world and have to look after themselves... I hope not but it seems inevitable....
Denounce communism in the "real world" huh? I&#39;ve recently moved out. I pay my bills (even though I really can&#39;t afford to live on my own, I do anyway). I&#39;m lefter than I&#39;ve ever been IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. So don&#39;t act like communism is always going to be some passing phase, I&#39;ve been socialist/communist since I was 16 and things have only become more defined for me, my views have evolved, but never abandoned&#33;

I&#39;m "in" the real world, yeah it sucks, but it doesn&#39;t affect my politics so easily&#33;

I&#39;m 19 eh.

[IHP]

How old are you Loknar??

He&#39;s a thriteen year old suburban wigger from Maryland. He tried to convince us that he was an 18 year old, six foot three hundred pounder.

--IHP

[Nobody]

I&#39;m 16, almost 17 and been a commie for 9 years, since I was 8. No one can beat that&#33;

[apathy maybe]

Call me a cynical but I&#39;d wager that half or more of the youngsters here will denounce communism when they get into the real world and have to look after themselves... I hope not but it seems inevitable....
I have to admit, that I have already seen that communism can not work with the current number of people, it can also not work in one country only. So I am a socialist. But only on the first step towards a truly communist society. It can only occur when all the world is first socialist.
I bring forward utopia one step at a time. Even if we never reach it.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 06:35 PM
I&#39;m 16, almost 17 and been a commie for 9 years, since I was 8. No one can beat that&#33;
i&#39;ve been a commie ever since I could understand the question, "Are you a communist?"...seriously, my mom is a hardcore Trotskyist and would lecture us daily on communism.

[Loknar]

So you were raised to believe in Communism? You may want to consider examining your beliefs. I am not disrespecting you in anyway, but if you were raised in a certain ideology you should question them at the very least. I am not in the same religion I was baptized to when I was 2.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by i hate [email protected] 20 2003, 12:34 AM

How old are you Loknar??

He&#39;s a thriteen year old suburban wigger from Maryland. He tried to convince us that he was an 18 year old, six foot three hundred pounder.

--IHP
Actually I am 19. And 275lbs... I think,. It&#39;s hard to say, I dont weigh my self often.

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 08:16 PM
Actually I am 19. And 275lbs... I think,. It&#39;s hard to say, I dont weigh my self often.
You&#39;re LAME

[Felicia]

LAME??

La Rain........ tisk, tisk..... :huh:

[IHP]

Felicia that&#39;s really unnecessary.

Loknar, no believes your lies about your age and weight. We know who you are from another forum. So hush up.

--IHP

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 09:38 PM
LAME??

La Rain........ tisk, tisk..... :huh:
I mean, what the fuck do we care about his weight anyway? It&#39;s fuckin trivial. :P

[RedCeltic]

I belive in self determination for the working class. Politicians, be they pompous conservitives, double talking liberals, or power hungery communists, are all in the same boat as far as I see it. The all say what they think the worker wants to hear, enough to gain them enough votes into office.

Fuck all of them is what I say. Politicians are all little men, in little rooms, in their little buldings who think that their money can buy them the power to control our lives. As soon as the worker learns that he has more control by simply putting his hands in his pockets and refusing to work, than all of the politicians combined, the better.

We call for democratic control of industry, placing the power into the hands of those who produce... not in the hands of men with captial, but rather in the hands of those who produce it. We call for the abolission of the wage system, in the respect that workers will gain the fruit of their labor, rather than selling it off to the highest bidder. You can read all the books you wish, vote as often as you like, run for as many offices as your money will allow, but all this will be futile in the long run, for bringing about socialism.

It is only when the worker stands up and takes what is rightfuly theirs through militant unionism, that we will see true change here in the first world.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by i hate [email protected] 20 2003, 04:18 AM
Felicia that&#39;s really unnecessary.

Loknar, no believes your lies about your age and weight. We know who you are from another forum. So hush up.

--IHP
I dont care if you do not believe me.

Which forum would that be?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by La Rainbeaux+Aug 20 2003, 05:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (La Rainbeaux @ Aug 20 2003, 05:23 AM)
[email protected] 19 2003, 09:38 PM
LAME??

La Rain........ tisk, tisk..... :huh:
I mean, what the fuck do we care about his weight anyway? It&#39;s fuckin trivial. :P [/b]
read the quote in my post.

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by Loknar+Aug 20 2003, 12:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Loknar @ Aug 20 2003, 12:09 AM)
Originally posted by La [email protected] 20 2003, 05:23 AM

[email protected] 19 2003, 09:38 PM
LAME??

La Rain........ tisk, tisk..... :huh:
I mean, what the fuck do we care about his weight anyway? It&#39;s fuckin trivial. :P
read the quote in my post. [/b]
What the fuck is that?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?

[ONE]

Originally posted by apathy [email protected] 20 2003, 01:09 AM

Call me a cynical but I&#39;d wager that half or more of the youngsters here will denounce communism when they get into the real world and have to look after themselves... I hope not but it seems inevitable....
I have to admit, that I have already seen that communism can not work with the current number of people, it can also not work in one country only. So I am a socialist. But only on the first step towards a truly communist society. It can only occur when all the world is first socialist.
I bring forward utopia one step at a time. Even if we never reach it.
Apathy maybe, I&#39;m with you.... maybe :unsure: (if I understand you correctly :) )


Danton, I think you might be right buddy&#33;


Victorcommie and LevTrosky, Loknar is right; you have to "empty your mind" and examine your belief system first. If you truly believe it after this(and you have to be logical & honest with your self) then great.. I don&#39;t think anyone can be really anything at 8; I.e. a sincere belief system that was NOT fed to you.

[Xvall]

That is statistically incorrect.

[lokigreeny]

one, i totally agree with tha. i mean, wouldnt you criticise a christian that has been raised on bible stories if they didnt have a giood hard look at their beleifs on their own merits?

i agree that socialism is the way to go, but if you dont seriously think about it, whats the point of holding that opinion? obviously, you may do that anyway, but....tea, that s what i think, anywyay. :D

Im 16, from Tas, Australia. Im an average looking person, although i really dislike conformism. rebellious? hell YES&#33;

and i own only one che tshirt, that i dont like very much. it was a gift from my big sister. actually, to tell the truth, i dont like che that much; i dont like militism, under any flag.

[Loknar]

So are these shirts made in Indonesia or Thailand?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Victorcommie+Aug 20 2003, 01:51 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Victorcommie @ Aug 20 2003, 01:51 AM)
[email protected] 19 2003, 06:35 PM
I&#39;m 16, almost 17 and been a commie for 9 years, since I was 8. No one can beat that&#33;
i&#39;ve been a commie ever since I could understand the question, "Are you a communist?"...seriously, my mom is a hardcore Trotskyist and would lecture us daily on communism. [/b]
When I was eight I just wanted to play with my Gi Joe action man.


Stop breaking Loknars balls. If he is lying, who gives a fuck all. It&#39;s not like he would be the first person to ever create an alternate identity on the internet before. Relax kids, leave the lad alone.

[EneME]

Where are you from EneMe?
El Salvador...

[Danton]

Felica;

I am not acting like "it&#39;s a passing phase". Those are your words not mine. I was just giving an opinion and a note of caution.....

Bully for you that your self sufficiant at your grand old age of 19 and I hope you maintain your obviously unshakeable ideology until your old age - but I seriously fucking doubt it.......

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 10:19 AM
Felica;

I am not acting like "it&#39;s a passing phase". Those are your words not mine. I was just giving an opinion and a note of caution.....

Bully for you that your self sufficiant at your grand old age of 19 and I hope you maintain your obviously unshakeable ideology until your old age - but I seriously fucking doubt it.......
oh, we&#39;ll see all about this one, young man.

Just because you have a certain opinion, doesn&#39;t mean that it&#39;s nearly fact, that&#39;s why it&#39;s an "opinion". You have no clue. People like you think that just because we&#39;re on the left of politics, it&#39;ll change when we get into the "real world", but if you ask a conservative if s/he remainded a conservative through hard times in their life, when they were kicked out by their landlords and out of a job, "did you remain a conservative christian though it all"? The answer will most likely be "yes", I use this as an example because I once asked someone the same question, someone who questioned me about my beliefs when I lived with my parents, someone who was ignorant enough to think the way you do just because of certain economic/living situations that I was in. SO maybe someone like yourself is easily "shaken" when tides change, it doesn&#39;t mean the majority of us are like that aswell.

[Danton]

I am on the fucking left of politics, I do have "a clue" and if you think questioning the strength of people&#39;s convictions is "ignorant" then there is little to argue about as your a closed book.....

Your example of christian conservatives barely warrents a response as it is pure conjecture, your telling me they dont suffer loss of faith - people drop out of the church in ever increasing numbers...

I&#39;ts not even about poverty which can actually induce a more fervant belief in equality and certainly more understanding - it is these social conditions which create socialists/marxists. The opposite is more likley to "shake" individuals when increased wealth and freedom assimilate them further into the capitalist structure..... In short my words were not specifically aimed at anyone but it is my belief that many here will change their political orientation for good or ill sooner or later. Again I hope I&#39;m wrong...

[suffianr]

increased wealth and freedom assimilate them further into the capitalist structure

I totally agree with you&#33;

But while assimilation is a conscious act, sublimination is not.

As long as a person retains their mental faculties and, for want of a better expression, moral convictions, they have the sense and ability to rationalise at every point in their lives what their choices mean to them and what it means to the integrity of their faith in their ideology.

In other words, if you&#39;re pretty darn sure of who you are and what you believe in, you&#39;ll never regress into capitalism. Capitalism is an example of mankind&#39;s moral regression, is it not? ;)

[ONE]

I agree with Danton that not everyone will maintain the same belief system they currently have. They won&#39;t necessarily become fervent capitalists, but some of their hard-line views might soften up&#33; Teenagers in general are more zealous - there are many here who hold militant views that will change with time and age. Some quote Marx as though quoting the bible and taking his theories as facts while being oblivious to the new reality at times.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 01:19 PM
Felica;

I am not acting like "it&#39;s a passing phase". Those are your words not mine. I was just giving an opinion and a note of caution.....

Bully for you that your self sufficiant at your grand old age of 19 and I hope you maintain your obviously unshakeable ideology until your old age - but I seriously fucking doubt it.......
You&#39;re absoutely right. I am a centralist now. In 10 years I may end up in the right or on the left.

[Unrelenting Steve]

Speaking for myself-im queit logical (at least id like to think so). So I dont belive i can ever refute what is stupidly obvious. If it is coherant then hopefully I will see it as coherant and I dont think I can fool myself into beilving the conveniant simply because it is so. I think even before my unpopular views, I have never been popular with the mainstream, I dont know if this statred from me not liking them for their apparent feebleness and shallownedd est. or they didnt like me first- this has probably given me a predisposition to be rebelious, to spite the majority. But i dont think that I could warp reality just to fit this what otherwise would have to be described as dysfunctional behaviour. As long as I reagrd truth as formost, I am sure I will always remain pretty consistant, to where that leads me in politics is uncertain- but i am pretty sure that that place that I will perhaps reach at the end when I am totaly satisfied will not be at the right.

[Nobody]

Steve, that was uncorherent.

[Loknar]

Yes Steve, you&#39;re post is not only uncoherent but also unpossible.

[IHP]

Which forum would that be?

No way, fell-me-lad, I like it better this way. Just don&#39;t try and pull any more age stunts. Ya get me?

--IHP

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 11:19 AM
I am on the fucking left of politics, I do have "a clue" and if you think questioning the strength of people&#39;s convictions is "ignorant" then there is little to argue about as your a closed book.....

Your example of christian conservatives barely warrents a response as it is pure conjecture, your telling me they dont suffer loss of faith - people drop out of the church in ever increasing numbers...

I&#39;ts not even about poverty which can actually induce a more fervant belief in equality and certainly more understanding - it is these social conditions which create socialists/marxists. The opposite is more likley to "shake" individuals when increased wealth and freedom assimilate them further into the capitalist structure..... In short my words were not specifically aimed at anyone but it is my belief that many here will change their political orientation for good or ill sooner or later. Again I hope I&#39;m wrong...
I agree. many will move to the centre-right as they grow older. However, I don&#39;t believe that I will be one of those people, I can say with absolute certainty that I will never be right of centre, it will never happen.

[Loknar]

Originally posted by i hate [email protected] 21 2003, 02:12 AM

Which forum would that be?

No way, fell-me-lad, I like it better this way. Just don&#39;t try and pull any more age stunts. Ya get me?

--IHP
Superpower right? And it&#39;s not an age stunt.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Most "rebelous teens" I have met are burgueois whose parents broke their ass in this system so that they have everything they want, which is usually food, new clothes, drugs, and anything they want.

I dont know what the real meaning of the word rebel is but I have always opposed the masses, thinking that what is the most popular is 99% of the times the worst thing, and I oppose most of the people all the time in what they think. DOes that make me a rebellous teen? I ask this because "rebellous teens" are just stupid kids that are only rebel to be different from their parents.

[Kapitan Andrey]

I&#39;m not a TEEN&#33;&#33;&#33; :angry:

I&#39;m a (potential)REVOLUTIONEER&#33;&#33;&#33;

Of course most of you (commies and not-commies) don&#39;t mind me as a real revolutioneer, but you&#39;re wrong&#33; I&#39;m like a BOMB, I&#39;m going to blow sometime&#33; I will be a brave revolutioneer&#33; Belive me&#33;...

I&#39;m totally agree with Felicia&#33;... but, of course I&#39;m not a leftist...I&#39;m just a (potential) REVOLUTIONEER&#33;&#33;&#33;

[IHP]

I love this guy.

Loknar, I don&#39;t know that site...but hey we&#39;ll go with that for now if it pleases you.

--IHP