Bob Marley

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Seriously, i'm tired of ppl depicting the guy as a 'stoned rastafarian with dreads'....There was so much more to it then that...

Example : His justification for smoking weed...was that it was not only natural, but it was only when smoking weed that people could start seeing things more clearly. Anyone here who has smoked marijuana before, can testify that, yes, it can be trippy at times...but when you sit down and analyze ideologies and philosophies, they make hella more sense.... :D

Rastafarianism is a very deep religion when one understands their concepts. The whole 'togetherness' imagery is often influenced...but unlike many religions (such as Catholicism), they try to promote total unity, not just unification within one religion, but between all people.

Read Bob Marley's lyrics in his song, "War", which was based on H.I.M. (His Imperial Majesty) Haile Sellasie's speech to the UN. Verrry deep.

And no, I personally am not Rastafarian. I am Catholic, but hate being labelled so. I read many different religions and their main literary book that their religion may be based upon. The Hindu Gita, the Muslim Qu'Ran, etc...The more you get into one organized religion, the more you detract from truly knowing God...but that's just me...lol.

Anyway, what do you guys think of Bob Marley?

~Knowledge~

[Umoja]

I think Rastafarianism is quite silly. Where did the get the idea of smoking weed? Why would an average Christian emperor be the reincarnation of Jesus? I can even understand the smoking weed part, anyone can add that to there religion, but why would they worship Selassie? Look at there justification, it was something Marcus Garvey, a secular leader, said... I mean come on.....

[Rastafari]

Read Bob Marley's lyrics in his song, "War", which was based on H.I.M. (His Imperial Majesty) Haile Sellasie's speech to the UN. Verrry deep.
Didn't write the song, but good anyway.


Bob Marley IS the king of Reggae, no matter what any hardcore freaks like cani have to say. He did convert to Ethiopian Orthodox from twelve tribes towards the end of his life though.

[Umoja]

The Warlord, aka Bounty Killah, is the King of Reggae. Maybe Warlord of Reggae....

[Urban Rubble]

"Where did the get the idea of smoking weed? "

Don't mind Umoja, he's just fanatically anti-drug. But he is on the right track, Rastafari is a fucked up religion. It's founded on great ideals (as most religions are) peace, unity, one love and all that. But the thing is, the man they based their faith on not only failed to fufill their prophecies, he was quite a brutal leader.

"His justification for smoking weed...was that it was not only natural, but it was only when smoking weed that people could start seeing things more clearly"

I agree %100, but I don't think one should be forced into smoking herb as a part of their faith. Some people cannot handle the effects of marijuana, some can.

"'stoned rastafarian with dreads'"

Well, to be honest, he was exactly that. Sure, he was much more than that, but he was also a stoned rasta with dreads. =)

Rastafari is one of the few religions that can outright be proven wrong. They based their religion on the hope that Ras Tafari (Haille Selassie) would deliver them from Babylon to the land of Milk and Honey (Ethiopia). He failed to do that, he failed to do anything with any real significance. He is dead, and so is Rastafari. I love reggae and I love Bob Marley, but I think Rastafari is kind of a joke.

As for Bob being the king of reggae, that is both true and not true. To say that implies that he was the most important figure in reggae history, that is not true. He has had the most mainstream success, and argueably the best songs. I still wouldn't say he was the king, there were and are many kings of reggae.

Bounty Killer is definately not. Possible the king of Dancehall, but I think that would be far too generous.

Here's a great Propagandhi song.

HAILLIE SELLASSE, UP YOUR ASS
you speak of rastafari, but how can you justify belief in a god that's left you behind? you've simply filled the gap between the upper and lower class and your faith merely keeps you in line. an amalgamation of jewish scripture and christian thought. what will that get you? not a fuck of a lot. take a look at your promised land. your deed is that gun in your hand. mt. zion's a minefield. the west bank. the gaza strip. soon to be parking lots for american tourists and fascist cops. fuck zionism. fuck militarism. fuck americanism. fuck nationalism. fuck religion

[Rastafari]

I think we can all agree that Dancehall sucks, though

[Hegemonicretribution]

The concepts can be applied to people outside the main rasta base when you apply it to another I. My I for example would not be Sellaisse I, in fact I would have to find my I.

I would like to explain myself better but I have got to catch a bus.

P.S. what is wrong with smoking weed as a sacrament? It can be spiritual, there are American tribes that use plants for experiences. Even some Christians use alcohol at mass.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

okay, putting aside Bob Marley's religion of Rastafarianism, let us look at Bob Marley himself...

Thoughts anyone?

[canikickit]

Bob Marley went to shit after 1973. His music was not innovative, imaginative, or original. The lyrics were nice, but the actual rhythms were commercialised and sanitised for the pop market.

The work Bob did with the real Wailers and Lee Perry makes albums like "Survival" and "Uprising" seem like cheap trash.

Rastafarianism is one of the better, and more interesting religions.
Haile Selassie was merely an inspirational figure, although many believed him to be the living reincarnation of Christ,he still served as an image of black self determination.

The idea of repatriation was quite out-dated by the 1970s when the popularity of Rastafarianism began to grow. Repatriation was more of an idea of a return to the culture of Africa, rather than the physical movement to a different continent.


it was something Marcus Garvey, a secular leader, said

According to Timothy White in "Catch a Fire" (Bob's biography), it is very unlikely that Garvey ever said that ("look to Africa for the crowning of a black man, for he shall be the redeemer"), as you said Garvey was a secular leader and such religious language wouldn't have been his usual approach.


Where did the get the idea of smoking weed? Why would an average Christian emperor be the reincarnation of Jesus?

What is your definition of "silly"?
I don't think there is any reason why the average Christian emporer would be the reincarnation of Jesus. There's nothing average about that, it's kind of the point. Do you believe Jesus was the son of God?


He did convert to Ethiopian Orthodox from twelve tribes towards the end of his life though.

There is very little, if any, actual difference between the beliefs however.

[Umoja]

Urban Rubble, in this post, where did I disagree with you about smoking weed? I wasn't making an assualt on pot smokers, I was stating something you agreed with. And dancehall is the best!

[Umoja]

Just saw Cani's new post.

I need to dig up "Black Moses" and see if I can verify that, but I am quite sure it was Marcus Garvey who said that. Secondly, black self determination, doesn't need a religion to exist. Also, don't you think it's a bit unhealthy to worship another person, especially when they are still alive and telling you not to worship them? Is Ethiopia really all that holy?

No, I don't believe Jesus was THE son of God. Even so, this isn't an argument to debunk Christianity. But that's for another topic.

What are the similarities between Ethiopian Orthodox and Rastafarianism? Besides the fact that they both can say "Jesus" in them. To me it would seem Rastafarianism could be closely related to most forms of Christianity "closely".

[Rastafari]

Speaking of Ethiopian Orthodox, John Coltrane is a Saint in there church.
Using Herb as a sacrament is not only unbashable, its admirable
I am quite sure that the quote in question has been attributed to Marcus Garvey. Whether he said it or not is anyone's guess.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 18 2003, 04:02 AM
Seriously, i'm tired of ppl depicting the guy as a 'stoned rastafarian with dreads'....There was so much more to it then that...
OK the truth is, Bob Marley was a rastafarian near the end of his life, He had draeds for many years.

AND HE WAS very very very stoned.

Sorry it's the truth.

Now that doesn't mean that he was not an extremely intelligent man. That doesn't mean that herb itself, or being stoned is a bad thing, And that doesn't mean that rastafari is a lost cause.

CHANT DOWN BABYLON, AND SMOKE WEED IF IT FEELS RIGHT.

[canikickit]

I am quite sure that the quote in question has been attributed to Marcus Garvey.

Absolutely, but it is disputed.
Here's some of "Catch a Fire":
"According to recent research....by such historians as Robert A. Hill of UCLA, there is no evidence that Garvey ever made such a prophecy about a divine black African King in his entire life. And if he had,it would have been a highly unusual departure from his strictly political stance, for while he sometimes employed the reverent rethoric of the church in his speeches, he presented himself as niether a preacher nor a prophet.
Moreover, he was highly critical of Selassie, viewing the successful invasion of Ethiopia by Mussolini in the mid-1930s as the nadir of the King of Kings' imperial ineptitude. Although Garvey's UNIA followers in Harlem had been allowed to march carrying posters of Garvey and Selassie in a now famous street parade held with members of the Black Jews on Sunday, January 4th, 1931, Garvey himself would later become an open opponent of those who proclaimed Selassie's divinity. Early in 1933, he adamantly refused to permit Rastafarian leader Leonard Percival Howell to distribute the emporer's picture in Gavey's Kingston headquarters in Edelweiss Park. And in his opening address at a session of the 1934 UNIA convention, "Mr. Garvey also referred to the Ras Tafari cult" according to the August 25th issue of the Jamaica Times, "speaking of them with contempt."
It appears that the stirring directive to "look to Africa..." wasuttered instead by Rev. James Morris Web, a clergyman/mystic from Chicago who was an associate of Garvey's and the author of a book published in the Midwest in 1919 entitled "A Black Man Will Be the Coming Universal King, Proven by Biblical History". Webb spoke the fateful words at a UNIA convention in September 1924. And while Garvey, however inadvertently, did become the father of Rastafarianism in the minds of most believers, he was actually the inheritor of a tradition of messianic black mysticism that had been in full flower in Jamaica and elsewhere for some time.


Secondly, black self determination, doesn't need a religion to exist.

Of course not, but Selassie could still be seen as an inspirational figure.


Also, don't you think it's a bit unhealthy to worship another person, especially when they are still alive and telling you not to worship them? Is Ethiopia really all that holy?

Hell yeah. I'm sure you know that I'm not religious, Umoja. I think worship is a terrible idea. That's not really my point.


What are the similarities between Ethiopian Orthodox and Rastafarianism? Besides the fact that they both can say "Jesus" in them. To me it would seem Rastafarianism could be closely related to most forms of Christianity "closely".

Yes. I agree, that's what I mean.


No, I don't believe Jesus was THE son of God. Even so, this isn't an argument to debunk Christianity. But that's for another topic.

It's not an argument to debunk Christianity, nor is your argument against Selassie's divinity a debunking of Rastafarianism. It is just as likely that an African king would be divine as a Jewish carpenter's son.

If you were to accept Jesus as some sort of "great guy", there's no logical argument that another "great guy" could be born in Ethiopia and become king.

Dancehall is crap. :lol:

[Umoja]

I guess he was great, and HE was killed by his own people, so you could compare him to the "conceptual Jesus", but that's about it. Also, Marcus Garvey didn't say "the famous quote" as a prophecy, but rather is something inspirational or something like that, I forget my source.

How is smoking weed admirable to a religion? That's like saying drinking is admirable if you don't drive. I mean, sure it's fun and all, but I don't see how admirable comes into play.

[Sasafrás]

I don't know about Bob's music getting shitty after 73... I guess cani is the authority on this because he's deep into reggae and I just simply enjoy it. But personally, I like Marley and I think his music is really sweet, especially the love songs. But as far as Rastafarianism, I don't agree with the idea of some guy in Ethiopia being the Lord and smoking weed and all.

[Rastafari]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 12:12 AM
I guess he was great, and HE was killed by his own people, so you could compare him to the "conceptual Jesus", but that's about it. Also, Marcus Garvey didn't say "the famous quote" as a prophecy, but rather is something inspirational or something like that, I forget my source.

How is smoking weed admirable to a religion? That's like saying drinking is admirable if you don't drive. I mean, sure it's fun and all, but I don't see how admirable comes into play.
"Better is a dinner of herb where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith" (Proverbs 15:17)

[Vinny Rafarino]

My muthafuckinman kickit. I can always count on you mate (ant rasta) to break out some Lee Perry.



My view of Rastfarianism? Why break a brutha's balls for wanting back what the white man took from him;

Dignity and pride.

The religion itself does not serve any purpose besides providing a foundation for oppressed islanders to cast away the centuries old servile dogma that white Europe hammered into their heads with treachery and torture.

I salute them.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

okay I've had it...

Firstly, this isn't a topic about rastafarianism, or about any of its teachings. Nor is this topic about marijuana, and weed-smoking...

This topic's about Bob Marley. The man. Not about his religion, or his pass-times...but the man. Have you guys ever listened to interviews by him? He had very deep thoughts about Jamaica's then-current political situation, and was shot at in 1976, i believe, by opposition activists. The Political leaders, Michael Manley and company used Bob's music as a promotion for themselves....not realizing how dangerous this could be for Bob...

Even when asked if he knew the shooters, he said yes, but he didnt want to report them, because he felt that was destructive to humanity.

btw...how did Bob's music get worse after '73? After 1973, he wrote some classics, like Redemption Song, Revolution, Babylon System, Johnny Was, Bad Card, We and Dem, Work, etc.... Where, prior, he was trying to not only define reggae music, which was supposed to always be about the struggle, and being more positive towards life and such.

Dont get me started on dancehall, because that totally is the opposite of what Bob envisioned...(Enemies by Wayne Wonder), however there are still some great positive reggae stars today, such as Capleton, Ziggy Marley, Sanchez, etc...

We can argue about rastafarianism and marijuana at a later point. It's religion, there can never be an absolute right, seeing how none of us know anything about the afterlife. I just think we should continue our 'knowledge' (hehe) about various things, and learn various viewpoints...no one's truly 'right' when it comes to religion. Remember that.

[canikickit]

Firstly, this isn't a topic about rastafarianism, or about any of its teachings. Nor is this topic about marijuana, and weed-smoking...

This topic's about Bob Marley.

The topic is about whatever the hell people bring up. Rastafarianism and cannabis consumption are both directly related to Mr. Marley, so they were quite logical things to bring up. If you don't like discourse, I suggest you never start a topic again.


Have you guys ever listened to interviews by him? He had very deep thoughts about Jamaica's then-current political situation, and was shot at in 1976, i believe, by opposition activists. The Political leaders, Michael Manley and company used Bob's music as a promotion for themselves....not realizing how dangerous this could be for Bob...


Yeah, it's interesting...
I think an much popularised incident from the One Love Peace Concert demonstrates my feelings on Bob - Bob brought together the two heads of the main political parties in Jamaica - Edward Seaga, and Michael Manley, although the gesture was extremely symbolic and a very upful moment, it actually made little or no impact on the political landscape. Indeed, the next time Seaga and manley were seen in public was at Bob's funeral.

Bob brought together two babylonian entities of the ruling class, politrickians and hucksters, two schmucks who claimed to represent the people in the name of taking their money and living large.

Earlier on in the concert, Jacob Miller brought two other people on stage Bucky Marshall and Claudy Massop, two of the political gang leaders who had formed a peace treaty days earlier. These two were actually much closer to the people of Jamaica, and probably were of more important influence in the situation.


Even when asked if he knew the shooters, he said yes, but he didnt want to report them, because he felt that was destructive to humanity.

He didn't want to report them because he felt they needed some ghetto justice. Both men were found dead. One was hanged by the neck until dead.


btw...how did Bob's music get worse after '73?

How? The sound is generally the most influential thing about music. It sounded more crap. Like I think I said already, after 1973 his music became far more polished and aimed at a pop audience (i.e. you).
1973 was also the year of the last Wailers record. Peter Tosh, Bunny Livingston, and Bob Marley went their separate ways and Bob kept the "Wailers" name for himself and got three female singers. The Wailers were at their best with three part harmonies, stuff like "Dreamland" and "Keep on Moving" are absolute works of art, the other stuff is shiny, pop reggae for people who don't want to hear the real sound of Jamaica.

If you read about Jamaican music you will soon learn that the premier mark of respect is the sound system. The sound systems rule Jamaican music, and what plays on them is what is good, and what the people love. After "Trenchtown Rock", Bob Marley and the Wailers were very rarely heard on the sound systems. It was all about Johnny Clarke, Linval Thompson, Cornell Campbell....

Bob Marley and the Wailers existed very much outside the Jamaican sound system system.

[Rastafari]

How? The sound is generally the most influential thing about music. It sounded more crap. Like I think I said already, after 1973 his music became far more polished and aimed at a pop audience (i.e. you).
1973 was also the year of the last Wailers record. Peter Tosh, Bunny Livingston, and Bob Marley went their separate ways and Bob kept the "Wailers" name for himself and got three female singers. The Wailers were at their best with three part harmonies, stuff like "Dreamland" and "Keep on Moving" are absolute works of art, the other stuff is shiny, pop reggae for people who don't want to hear the real sound of Jamaica.

If you read about Jamaican music you will soon learn that the premier mark of respect is the sound system. The sound systems rule Jamaican music, and what plays on them is what is good, and what the people love. After "Trenchtown Rock", Bob Marley and the Wailers were very rarely heard on the sound systems. It was all about Johnny Clarke, Linval Thompson, Cornell Campbell....

Bob Marley and the Wailers existed very much outside the Jamaican sound system system

I'm not saying I disagree with you man, but after 1973, he played Roots Reggae. Now, that is far from everyone's cup of tea, as I find some of the british stuff way too pop, but your damning Roots as a whole genre here.


Besides, this topic is about Bob Marley the MAN, not the music...

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

How? The sound is generally the most influential thing about music. It sounded more crap.

Every music's like that. Example, Jay-z. Now, here's a guy who is consecutively mixing pop wit rap, so that it'll become more mainstream, and more aware to a bigger mass of ppl. It makes more sense, instead of allowing the music to stay underground, without more people actually listening to it. Bob did bring reggae into mainstream, and yeah, I can agree on that. Was it better for reggae? Yes. More people became aware of it, and more people recognized it. It was overall beneficiary to the reggae music.


Like I think I said already, after 1973 his music became far more polished and aimed at a pop audience (i.e. you).
1973 was also the year of the last Wailers record. Peter Tosh, Bunny Livingston, and Bob Marley went their separate ways and Bob kept the "Wailers" name for himself and got three female singers. The Wailers were at their best with three part harmonies, stuff like "Dreamland" and "Keep on Moving" are absolute works of art, the other stuff is shiny, pop reggae for people who don't want to hear the real sound of Jamaica.


By the way, I found out about Bob's music by listening to old classics, like 'Judge Not', 'One cup of Coffee' and 'Small Axe', the original recordings in Kingston in the late '60's. So, when you say aimed at a 'pop audience', try not to include me....but of course, you knew this right? haha...damn know-it-alls,...

The wailers were at their best before '73? PFFT! That's why Peter McIntosh was always jealous of Bob getting all the attention, that eventually leaded to him going his own way? 'Tosh was never happy with the fact that Bob was in lead vocals...if you look at their first international release, "Catch a Fire" you can hear 'Tosh trying to keep up with Bob in some tracks...so, they decided to give 'Tosh his own track, '400 years'. Your post doesn't reflect much deep knowledge of the original wailers...choose your words carefully, because the wailers weren't 'better' before '73. Them splitting up was essentially better, because they couldn't get along, despite their sound, whether good or bad.


If you read about Jamaican music you will soon learn that the premier mark of respect is the sound system. The sound systems rule Jamaican music, and what plays on them is what is good, and what the people love. After "Trenchtown Rock", Bob Marley and the Wailers were very rarely heard on the sound systems. It was all about Johnny Clarke, Linval Thompson, Cornell Campbell....

Bob wasn't heard because of his political message. Radio stations wouldn't play his songs, because they feared it would cause more ppl to question their governments, further leading to a rebellion, much like in the French Revolution, (i.e. - Tennis Court Oath). It wasn't because of the 'sound systems' as you say...because Bob's songs were genuine reggae, which was influenced by Ska, Punk, and jazz.

I think you sir, need to understand your story before you tell your tale.

~Knowledge~

[Rastafari]

By the way, I found out about Bob's music by listening to old classics, like 'Judge Not', 'One cup of Coffee' and 'Small Axe', the original recordings in Kingston in the late '60's. So, when you say aimed at a 'pop audience', try not to include me....but of course, you knew this right? haha...damn know-it-alls,...


On the JAD albums (thieving bastards), they often tried to hit the R&B markets with covers of American Hits.

But when they met up with Scratch, Good things DID happen.


I think you sir, need to understand your story before you tell your tale.

On the other hand, I wouldn't doubt the dodo on a lot of this shit. This is his life, friend

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

true...my bad...

'Scratch' sold out. He stole the Wailers' works, for a quick profit. No respects to him on that...

However, he was an excellent MC and DJ....lol.

[canikickit]

I'm not saying I disagree with you man, but after 1973, he played Roots Reggae. Now, that is far from everyone's cup of tea, as I find some of the british stuff way too pop, but your damning Roots as a whole genre here.

That's just crazy talk!
Roots reggae is what I listen to. Bob's music was very compromised on all the albums after (and including) Catch a Fire. There were extra instruments recorded onto them and everything.

When Familyman heard the new versions of Catch a Fire, he said something along the lines of "one day these producers will learn how to play instruments themselves and they won't even need us".

I'm not saying I hate all Bob's music, I'm often quite over the top on this subject, but I don't enjoy it as much as the music which was aimed at a Jamaican audience. That is the essential difference, Bob's music was not aimed at a domestic audience, it was aimed at the world.

I find what I listen to a little more authentic.

I did, however listen to the alubms "Catch a Fire" through to "Confrontation", and nothing else for six months solid before I started getting into other Jamaican music, and from then I've never looked back. :D


More people became aware of it, and more people recognized it

This does not make the sound which comes out of my speakers magically better. what he did to bring this awareness makes the sound worse!


'Tosh was never happy with the fact that Bob was in lead vocals...if you look at their first international release, "Catch a Fire" you can hear 'Tosh trying to keep up with Bob in some tracks...so, they decided to give 'Tosh his own track, '400 years'.

Tosh was not happy because Bob was a megalomaniac.
If you listen to 400 Years (and Stop that Train) you will hear Bob in the background trying to take over! He's supposed to be singing harmony but he tries to sing lead! Listen!

"so, they decided to give 'Tosh his own track, '400 years' "....
what a bunch of crap! Peter wrote a song and the put it on the album because it was good and enjoyable. They had done that song earlier with Scratch, and knew it was nice. it wasn't some sort of appeasment for Tosh.

You should listen to the release, not "look" at it! :lol:


Your post doesn't reflect much deep knowledge of the original wailers...choose your words carefully, because the wailers weren't 'better' before '73. Them splitting up was essentially better, because they couldn't get along, despite their sound, whether good or bad.



Utter fucking trash!
"Despite" their sound?! Do you not like music? Do you merely enjoy different artforms for aesthetic reasons? The sound is what matters! What kind of a philistine are you?

There splitting up was essentially better, why? Because they all went on to make vastly inferior music in the following years?


It wasn't because of the 'sound systems' as you say...because Bob's songs were genuine reggae, which was influenced by Ska, Punk, and jazz.


Punk was influenced by reggae, punk didn't have much noticable impact on the sound of reggae.

The Sound Systems (as I say) are the most important aspect of Jamaican music.


I don't expect you to change your mind and say the real Wailers were better, or anything of the like.
But Bob's music was compromised, and sounds very different (to the educated ear) from most other Jamaican songs at the time.

[canikickit]

Blood and Fire (http://www.bloodandfire.co.uk/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=16726&t=16648)

If you read the above link, some of the guys express how I feel about Bob quite well.

Allow me to put it as simply as I can.

I used to listen to hip hop, and nothing but hip hop. Then I got "Catch a Fire" for Christmas one years and started listening to that a lot. I began to fall in love with it. Then I got "Natty Dread", and those two albums were on heavy rotation. Gradually I bought more and more Bob Marley and the Wailers Island Records recordings until eventually I had all the studio albums. I used to put them on a listen to them one after the other. For about six months I listened to practically nothing else.

Then I started searching for other work. I got my hands on ska songs like "Simmer Down", "Rude Boy" and "Hooligan". I heard others such as "Keep on Moving", "Caution", "Fussing and Fighting" and "Go Tell It On the Mountain". These songs sounded more raw and somehow real to me.

As time went on my collection of earlier Wailers' songs grew and my Island Studio Albums started to become ignored, and sounded far more pop-like and shiny and compromised to my ears, which were on fire with the sound of Jamaica.

I bought a video fro the Bob Marley online store which contained some songs by Dennis Brown and Jacob Miller and U Roy, alongside Bob and Peter.
I fell in love with that video, "Heartland Reggae".

I watched it constantly, and after the first few views, I began fast forwarding throught the Bob songs which sounded tired and jaded, while my mind became blown daily by U Roy's version of Soul Rebel, and Peter's live work, and Jacob Miller's pure exuberance.

I started to get songs by those guys.
I purchased U Roy's albums, "Rasta Ambassador", and "Jah Son of Africa", got a live Dennis Brown album, and a cheap D Brown compilation. I downloaded about two or three King Tubby songs, blew my mind and then bought three or four of his albums.

Bob is polished. I like raw music.

[Danton]

Anyway..... Lee Perry's "White belly rat" is a good one to describe our Bob...

[Rastafari]

I agree about the studio shit, especially on Catch A Fire. The fucking Slide Guitar!? What the hell is that doing in Reggae Music? And, the two Tosh tracks are probably the most memorable, especially Stop That Train.

But I do think when the Kaya Album was released, Bob might have started to look back (maybe because of Peter's succeses at this time). Kaya, Sun is Shining, and a few more were older tunes, and a lot of the stuff on said album did have a feel to them that was much more raw I think. and they started to do a few more collaberations with Scratch around this time and all was happy.

If you want to hear 'polished' though, Third World band and a lot of these roots groups are where you should focus. Hell, even our man Bunny used synthesizors and continues to in place of horns.

But, if you like that polished sound, look to Bob. If you like the heart of reggae, look farther. It all depends on what you expect out of your music.

Oh, and I just listened to a certain "Perfidia Dub" which was impressive beyond what I could comprehend for some reason I don't know. I don't think I really "liked" it per se, but it struck me otherwise, like I knew how it was before I heard it. Sweet.

[Rastafari]

of course, the title song KAYA was totally marketable. but pretty much, the rest of the album was true, not that "marketable" is a bad thing. And Besides, Perry produced "Smile Jamaica" which should be on the album for some reason I guess.

[Urban Rubble]

Well I don't know about you guys, but UB40 is my favorite reggae band. THey are so fucking RAW.

I hope I don't have to mention that I'm joking.

Anyway, Cani, I also have the Heartland Reggae video on DVD, it's good stuff. I love that Althea and Donna song "Uptown Top Ranking", good stuff.

What do you think about Jacob Miller ? Just wondering. The guy kind of annoys me, but I have heard some stuff I like from him. I think it's on the Heartland Reggae video where he sings that song "Dreadlocks Dreadlocks flying thought the air, and Jah knows, it's love". Poppy, but a good song nontheless.

Also, have you ever seen any footage of Johnny Clarke live ?

[canikickit]

I've never seen any Johnny Clarke footage live, no.

I like Jacob Miller well enough. A lot of his stuff was quite poppy, and I'm not that mad about it. the album, "Who Say Jah No Dread" is one of the best albums ever though. It's got six Jacob Miller songs and their Augustus Pablo versions, and should be in the collection of any reggae fan. :D

[andresG]

The Augustus Pablo version of Jacob Miller's "Baby I Love You So" lets me fly. No kiddin'.

Can anyone tell me what album that's on, the one I downloaded on Kazaa doesn't say.

[Fever]

I myself have a fondness for jimmy cliff.

[canikickit]

Can anyone tell me what album that's on, the one I downloaded on Kazaa doesn't say.

The song is called "King Tubby Meets the Rockers Uptown".

It was originally on the album I have named above, "Who Say Jah No Dread" and an album also called "King Tubby Meets the Rockers Uptown". It's available on an album by the name of "Classic Rockers" aswell, which is a compilation of Augustus Pablo songs.

[andresG]

Thanks.
I already got some tracks from "King Tubby Meets the Rockers Uptown."

Fantastic :D

[Danton]

That's all very well and good but who has got an original 12" pressing of "King Tubby meets the Upsetter at the grass roots of dub" - me! that's who... HA...hahhahhahhhhahhahaha.... ha... ha....ahhh...oops...mmmm

And me nah like earing me dub on nah c-d man, me like dem cracklin vinyl dem ...ahhh

[Rastafari]

I have a question fo ryou boys. The other day, I found a 1972 Bob Marley bootleg pressing from Trojan. Well, I noticed on side two that there were extra grooves for another track after "Mr. Chatterbox," which was the last one mentioned on the side. I peeled off the label for that side and cleaned it up a little, and found a whole new track I had never heard before. It had the rhythym section from the old Kaya, but had totally different lyrics. I cuold only get about 30 seconds inot it, but would you all have any clue as to what it was?

[canikickit]

It's a song called "Turn Me Loose".
Was he talking about chasing wild geese and movies and pictures?

"I'll be the picture, you can be the show, on the screen our love will grow".

Check this out:

Smokey Room (http://leeperry.free.fr/extra/thisweekssong.htm)

[Rastafari]

exactly man. Thanks a lot

As for "Jah is Mighty," I prefair "cornerstone" But I'm a stick in the mud

[canikickit]

I hope you downloaded that song.
It's a unique mix done by the guy who runs that site. It goes into the other song mentioned there half way through, it's real nice.

[Rastafari]

seen

[Rastafari]

Sorry Cani, that kicks your Dub's collective asses.

But yours are a clean second

[canikickit]

He updates the song every couple of weeks. Oh, so many beautiful songs I've gotten there. :D

[Rastafari]

thats the site with the Guiness Videos too, right?

Fun stuff

[canikickit]

He has updated the song again. This time it's a Junior Delgado tune.

[communist cow]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 18 2003, 04:02 AM
Seriously, i'm tired of ppl depicting the guy as a 'stoned rastafarian with dreads'....There was so much more to it then that...


I agree, i recently traveled in Venice California, and they sell shirts and flags and what ever along the boardwalk there. And there is all these bannars of bob marley and half the people don't know what he stood for except the fact that he was a "stoner" - grrr, that made me angry

[dirtyd6969]

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lets just clear this up . yes they smoked marijuana as a religious sacrament . if you look at line sin the bible and analyze them you'll see why

[canikickit]

Wow, man, you made it all so clear. Holy shit! I now know the meaning of life! You're a genius!

[Rastafari]

I and I need to bring back the good topics.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Agreed, this has been a good string. More people to chant down babylon i guess, rasta. Good that scratch gets his credit, and bob too, although it is wrong for his to be the only name brought up when someone says 'reggae.'

Bob was a rasta, and a committed one too (hence his death--didn't amputate his toe) and for this reason, I would say that Bob shifted focus after 73, but didn't go to shit, as you put it. His message became more universally prominent, and thus more universally applicable in accordance with his rastafarianism.

[canikickit]

Fuck the message, he changed his music.
But hey, I'm glad he did it.