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freepalestine
24th November 2010, 10:18
Israel rejects speculation that Mossad killed German politician
Published today (updated) 24/11/2010 10:30
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TEL AVIV, Israel (DPA) -- Israel rejected Monday a claim by a retired Swiss chemistry professor that the murder of a German politician 23 years ago had the hallmarks of a Mossad assassination.

Uwe Barschel, premier of the German state of Schleswig-Holstein, was found dead in a Geneva hotel room in 1987. The cause of death was on overdose of a sleeping drug. His family has never accepted the view of most pathologists that Barschel, 43, committed suicide.

The professor, Hans Brandenberger, revived on Sunday his longtime contention, based on tissue analysis, that Barschel was incapable of deliberate action at the time when the drug, cyclobarbital, and a hypnotic substance, noludar, entered his body.

Brandenberger said he spoke out after his retirement gave him the leisure to read for the first time a 1994 book, The Other Side of the Deception, by US-based author Victor Ostrovsky, who claims to be a former Mossad agent.

The book suggests Mossad killed Barschel at the hotel with drugs and made the death look like suicide.

In an article published Sunday in the newspaper Welt am Sonntag, Brandenberger, 89, said his tissue findings fitted "astonishingly well" with the method of secret assassination described in the book.

Yigal Palmor, Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman, rejected the speculation.

"There's no basis on which one could connect Israel to this case, he said in Jerusalem. Asked if Germany should re-open its own inquiry, he said, "It's not up to us to tell the German authorities what they should do or not do."

Welt am Sonntag quoted those Germans who believe Barschel was murdered as calling for a fresh inquiry.

Ostrovsky's 1994 book claimed Barschel was killed because he knew about alleged Israeli arms sales to Iran.

Israeli spokesman Palmor said Ostrovsky was not a credible author.

"Half of what he says is lies, and the other half is invented, Palmor said.

Swiss prosecutors have always rejected Brandenberger's urging to treat Barschel's death as a murder.

The suicide thesis is that Barschel drank a lethal cocktail of sedatives in the wake of an unsavory political scandal in his state which culminated in his resigning as premier nine days before his death.

Brandenberger's thesis is that a murderer gave Barschel a tasteless "knock-out" drug in a glass of wine to make him compliant, then forced him an hour later to swallow the lethal overdose.

The Swiss professor argues that the timeline can be proved from the varying concentrations of the drugs in different organs.

But no suspects were ever seen in Geneva, and no other evidence for murder was ever found.


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Widerstand
24th November 2010, 13:53
*shrug*

There have always been conspiracy theories surrounding his death.

dez
24th November 2010, 14:37
Even if the mossad did kill him, you won't see me weeping.

pastradamus
25th November 2010, 07:09
Wouldnt you just love if Israel came out and talked about all the Evil stuff they did?

As organ said, you wont see me weeping neither....but it just goes to show how aggressive they are when it comes to any form of criticism or differing of opinion.

freepalestine
25th November 2010, 13:03
*shrug*

There have always been conspiracy theories surrounding his death.
it's not a conspiracy theory.did you read the article-has this article or similar been published in germany?
or why he mayve been murdered by ISRAEL-

Widerstand
25th November 2010, 14:01
it's not a conspiracy theory.did you read the article-has this article or similar been published in germany?
or why he mayve been murdered by ISRAEL-

How is this anything but a conspiracy theory?

A) We don't know for sure if it was murder.
B) We have next to no proof that this was a Mossad action. The Author of the book left the Mossad in 1986, the murder was in 1987.
C) We have absolutety zero proof (correct me if I'm wrong) that Israel sold weapons to Iran or planned to do so. However there are other of people claiming that Uwe Barschel was involved in arms deals, such as Abū l-Hasan Banīsadr (ex-President of Iran), Dirk Stoffberg (south-african Armsdealer).

And yes, several German news outlets picked this up, such as Der Spiegel, Süddeutsche Zeitung, N-TV, Welt Am Sonntag, Abendblatt, Stern, RTL, VOX etc. (all of them are pretty big, and pretty shitty might I add).

NKVD
25th November 2010, 14:29
"Well, they would, wouldn't they?"

freepalestine
25th November 2010, 15:04
How is this anything but a conspiracy theory?

A) We don't know for sure if it was murder.conspiracy theory?how is medical evidence ,a conspiracy theory?


B) We have next to no proof that this was a Mossad action. The Author of the book left the Mossad in 1986, the murder was in 1987.
C) We have absolutety zero proof (correct me if I'm wrong) that Israel sold weapons to Iran or planned to do so. However there are other of people claiming that Uwe Barschel was involved in arms deals, such as Abū l-Hasan Banīsadr (ex-President of Iran), Dirk Stoffberg (south-african Armsdealer).
are you not aware of the links between rsa and israel,iran and israel(at the time).if it wasnt mossad who murdered him,then somebody mayve done.

Widerstand
25th November 2010, 15:13
conspiracy theory?how is medical evidence ,a conspiracy theory?

From what I've read, it's far from being "evidence." I wouldn't accept it as truth until having read the other side's arguments (after all, most people examining the case have argued it wasn't murder).



are you not aware of the links between rsa and israel,iran and israel(at the time).

Frankly, no, enlighten me. And tell me how Barschel fits in there.


if it wasnt mossad who murdered him,then somebody mayve done.

Exactly this is what certain people in Germany have always said: "Someone killed him, the government is just covering it up!" Seems like a conspiracy theory to me.

Especially since the German government has in the past been rather Mossad critical, investigating against alleged Mossad agents and occasionally trying to (and IIRC actually succeeding in) arresting Mossad agents.

freepalestine
25th November 2010, 15:40
From what I've read, it's far from being "evidence." I wouldn't accept it as truth until having read the other side's arguments (after all, most people examining the case have argued it wasn't murder).
foget the book you keep mentioning etc.the medical evidence,that has been mentioned in the article.



Frankly, no, enlighten me....

youre joking,right??


Exactly this is what certain people in Germany have always said: "Someone killed him, the government is just covering it up!" Seems like a conspiracy theory to me.

Especially since the [west]German government has in the past been rather Mossad critical, investigating against alleged Mossad agents and occasionally trying to (and IIRC actually succeeding in) arresting Mossad agents.
you'd think [west/] german intelligence and mossad were enemys.as if

Widerstand
25th November 2010, 16:01
foget the book you keep mentioning etc.the medical evidence,that has been mentioned in the article.

It only says that one scientist argued it was murder. I have absolutely no idea what exactly his findings are, and even if I had, I'd be in a very bad position to interpret medical data. I'd also have no idea of what those that disagreed have said about it.


youre joking,right??

No. I don't really study Israel's history.



you'd think [west/] german intelligence and mossad were enemys.as if

I'm talking about what politicians and press spewed out in recent years. Back then, the situation may have been different, true.

freepalestine
25th November 2010, 19:14
No. I don't really study Israel's history.maybe you should

gorillafuck
25th November 2010, 19:37
How is this anything but a conspiracy theory?Technically it is because it is unproven and alleges conspiracy. But it's not like there's never been a conspiracy to kill a politician so I don't see how that's relevant.


A) We don't know for sure if it was murder.
B) We have next to no proof that this was a Mossad action. The Author of the book left the Mossad in 1986, the murder was in 1987.
C) We have absolutety zero proof (correct me if I'm wrong) that Israel sold weapons to Iran or planned to do so. However there are other of people claiming that Uwe Barschel was involved in arms deals, such as Abū l-Hasan Banīsadr (ex-President of Iran), Dirk Stoffberg (south-african Armsdealer).Yeah, as of now there's not information about any deals that I know of between Iran and Israel. I would actually be somewhat surprised, considering that Israel and America back eachother always and the US opposed Iran.

Israel was a big ally to the Republic Of South Africa and Israel was dealing arms to them. But the RSA isn't Iran.

Rafiq
26th November 2010, 02:59
Almost everything Israel does connects back to the US.

I don't like when people think Israel has it's own "World control plan" of some sort.

It is completely aligned with America. It's interests are America's interests.

freepalestine
26th November 2010, 12:16
Almost everything Israel does connects back to the US.

I don't like when people think Israel has it's own "World control plan" of some sort.

It is completely aligned with America. It's interests are America's interests.israel is a mercinary of the usa.from conflcts in africa,central america etc.
they are just like any other state i guess