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Apoi_Viitor
24th November 2010, 02:57
http://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/american-trespasser-interviewed-in-north-korea/

What is especially interesting to note is that since the DPRK magnanimously released Robert Park, a Korean American who illegally entered the DPRK carrying printed materials demanding that Kim Jong Il step down from power and be put on trial for war crimes, he has not retracted this statement. Nor, it would appear, has he made any statements against the DPRK, despite, we can be quite sure, very considerable pressure to do so, and much to the embarrassment of such anti-communist bodies as Christian Solidarity Worldwide, who noisily campaigned for his release.

American national Robert Park was detained for trespassing on the northern border of the DPRK in December last year.

He was interviewed by KCNA at his proposal while he was under investigation by the relevant organ of the DPRK.

During the interview, he said that he was taken in by the false rumour spread by the West and committed a criminal act in the end.

He went on to say:

“I trespassed on the border owing to a wrong understanding of the DPRK. This was caused by the West’s false propaganda.

“The West is massively feeding Children of the Secret State, Seoul Train and other documentary videos with stories about non-existent ‘human rights abuses’ and ‘mass killings’ in the DPRK, along with stories of the ‘unbearable sufferings’ of Korean christians and the like.

“This false propaganda led me, a christian, to entertain a biased view of the DPRK.

“I didn’t know what to do at that time, so I just prayed and fasted. That was my initial response, but, year by year, more news reports and international media reports came and there were more videos saying the same thing. In fact, they were saying that it was getting worse, and so that’s why I started to become more and more distraught.

“I thought that if there are people in concentration camps, if christians are dying like this, if there is starvation, I have to die with them. If I help them, I would go to heaven but if I don’t help them, I would go to hell.

“At last, I made up my mind to go to the DPRK.

“Upon trespassing on the border, I thought I would be either shot to death by soldiers or thrown behind bars. However, the moment I crossed the border, the attitude of soldiers toward the trespasser made me change my mind about the false propaganda I had believed.

“Not only service personnel, but all those I met in the DPRK treated me in a kind and gentlemanly manner and protected my rights.

“People have been incredibly kind and generous here to me, very concerned for my physical health as never before in my life. I mean, my family, of course, is concerned about my physical health, but people here have been constantly concerned, and I’m very thankful for their love.

“Another shocking fact I experienced during my stay in the DPRK is that religious freedom is fully ensured in the DPRK, a reality different from what is claimed by the West.

“Being a devout christian, I thought such things as praying are unimaginable in the DPRK due to the suppression of religion.

“I gradually became aware, however, that I was wrong.

“People neither regarded praying as something unusual nor disturbed it. I was provided with conditions for praying every day as I wished.

“What astonished me more was that a bible was returned to me.

“This fact alone convinced me that religious freedom is fully ensured in the DPRK.

“I came to have stronger belief as I had an opportunity to attend the service in the Pongsu Church in Pyongyang.

“I worshipped and there, there was the preacher, there was a pastor, there was a choir, they knew the hymns, they knew the word of God. That’s why I was completely amazed. I began to weep and weep in the christian service, because I learned that there are churches and christians such as Pongsu Kyohoe (church) in different cities and regions all throughout the DPRK. They worship, pray and preach freely the word of the Bible and Christ’s word.

“What I have seen and heard in the DPRK convinced me that I misunderstood it. So I seriously repented of the wrong I committed, taken in by the West’s false propaganda.

“I would not have committed such a crime if I had known that the DPRK respects the rights of all the people and guarantees their freedom, and that they enjoy a happy and stable life.

“I have felt shock, embarrassment, shame. Here, I’m in the land where people respect human rights, and, not just respecting human rights, they have actually loved me and showed me more than just human rights. They have shown me grace.

“I repent and ask for forgiveness to the DPRK for my misunderstanding of the country’s reality and my criminal illegal behaviour. Had I known the reality of the DPRK, what I’ve learned here, what I have been shown here, what I’ve been taught here, what I’ve been informed by all the kind people here about the DPRK, I would have never done what I did on 25 December and I repent and I’m very sorry.”

Finally, he, as a Christian, expressed his will to earnestly pray so that reunification may be achieved and peace settle on the Korean Peninsula as early as possible.

Red Commissar
24th November 2010, 03:42
He went to a different tune though when he got out (or at least what the media said they told him):

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/world/asia/28seoul.html?_r=1&ref=world


The activist, Robert Park, 29, a Korean-American who was released in February after 43 days of detention, gave a harrowing account of his imprisonment, which he said included beatings, torture and sexual abuse.

“The scars and wounds of the things that happened to me in North Korea are too intense,” Mr. Park said in an interview with the South Korean broadcaster KBS. “As a result of what happened to me in North Korea, I’ve thrown away any kind of personal desire. I will never, you know, be able to have a marriage or any kind of relationship.”

Mr. Park said he attempted suicide soon after he returned to the United States. He told the magazine Christianity Today that he had been “in and out” of psychiatric hospitals for treatment of post-traumatic stress disorder. He had crossed into North Korea over the frozen Tumen River, which forms the border with China. He carried only a Bible and some letters urging the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, to close prison labor camps in the North, free all its prisoners and resign.

Analysts in Seoul said such personal affronts to Mr. Kim were forbidden in the North and typically drew long prison terms or death sentences. But Mr. Park told friends in Seoul before he left that he would die with political prisoners in the North if Mr. Kim refused to free them.

Mr. Park read a confession on North Korean television, after which North Korean officials said they “decided to leniently forgive and release him, taking his admission and sincere repentance of his wrongdoings into consideration,” according to a report at the time by the North’s official news agency, K.C.N.A.

But Mr. Park said Wednesday that the apology was a fake, and that the statement had been dictated to him.

He said that he had a new appreciation for the harshness and cynicism of the North Korean government, which he vowed to devote his life to fighting.

Sosa
24th November 2010, 03:56
interesting

Soviet dude
24th November 2010, 04:05
Neither Aijalon Gomes, Laura Ling and Euna Lee alleged any sexual abuse while in NK. Seems like a made up claim to me. Probably the RoK intelligence services convinced him make it up.

Apoi_Viitor
24th November 2010, 04:08
He went to a different tune though when he got out (or at least what the media said they told him):

I guess I should've done more research before posting that...

http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/asia-pacific/north-korea-accused-of-torturing-captive

Apoi_Viitor
24th November 2010, 04:11
Neither Aijalon Gomes, Laura Ling and Euna Lee alleged any sexual abuse while in NK. Seems like a made up claim to me. Probably the RoK intelligence services convinced him make it up.

I guess Park's attempted suicide was just an act too... In fact, the RoK intelligence services probably convinced him to do so...

The Vegan Marxist
24th November 2010, 04:13
I guess Park's attempted suicide was just an act too... In fact, the RoK intelligence services probably convinced him to do so...

He only alleged that he tried committing suicide. I've yet to hear any of this from close friends of his or family.

gorillafuck
24th November 2010, 04:15
“I have felt shock, embarrassment, shame. Here, I’m in the land where people respect human rights, and, not just respecting human rights, they have actually loved me and showed me more than just human rights. They have shown me grace.This is a really weird thing to say. Especially considering how the story changed after he left.

The only non-media (American or DPRK media) I've ever heard about the DPRK was anecdotal evidence by someone who is a family friend of my friend, who went there. They say it actually does resemble what the media portrays it to look like quite a lot.

Apoi_Viitor
24th November 2010, 04:24
He only alleged that he tried committing suicide. I've yet to hear any of this from close friends of his or family.

True. However, I'd be inclined to trust his word. I don't see what he could gain from making this up.

Soviet dude
24th November 2010, 04:57
I guess Park's attempted suicide was just an act too... In fact, the RoK intelligence services probably convinced him to do so...

He seems to have had a lot personally invested in that type of Christianity where how good of a Christian you are can be measured by the amount of suffering you endure for Christ. This is the kind of theological stuff promoted by the old "Jesus to the Communist World," now known as the "Voice of the Martyrs." I would gamble a lot of the things he believed about the DPRK were shown to be false, but returning to his previous identity (and the religious community he is a part of) as Korean Christian sympathizing with his allegedly tortured brethren in the DPRK involves a massive amount of backpeddling.

I mean, the guy is obviously eccentric and pretty unstable to attempt to enter the DPRK illegally in the first place. I don't see what is so hard about believing his confession is mostly true, but that he would backpedal upon release. And this sort of identity-crisis would be the exact sort of thing that would provoke suicide attempts.

Red Commissar
24th November 2010, 05:19
He seems to have had a lot personally invested in that type of Christianity where how good of a Christian you are can be measured by the amount of suffering you endure for Christ. This is the kind of theological stuff promoted by the old "Jesus to the Communist World," now known as the "Voice of the Martyrs." I would gamble a lot of the things he believed about the DPRK were shown to be false, but returning to his previous identity (and the religious community he is a part of) as Korean Christian sympathizing with his allegedly tortured brethren in the DPRK involves a massive amount of backpeddling.

I mean, the guy is obviously eccentric and pretty unstable to attempt to enter the DPRK illegally in the first place. I don't see what is so hard about believing his confession is mostly true, but that he would backpedal upon release. And this sort of identity-crisis would be the exact sort of thing that would provoke suicide attempts.

I'm not really sure what he was thinking would happen in the first place if he waltzed over the border like he did. He has to be not 100% in his head if he thought he could get away with that lightly.

Sosa
24th November 2010, 06:57
idk, something just doesn't seem right with this guy. I think he might be missing a few screws in his head. Is there mention of any physical evidence of torture? like bruises for example?

The Vegan Marxist
24th November 2010, 07:33
idk, something just doesn't seem right with this guy. I think he might be missing a few screws in his head. Is there mention of any physical evidence of torture? like bruises for example?

I was wondering of this as well. Was there bruises, or any signs of sexual assault? Surely he was examined once he entered back into his country.

Apoi_Viitor
24th November 2010, 16:03
idk, something just doesn't seem right with this guy. I think he might be missing a few screws in his head. Is there mention of any physical evidence of torture? like bruises for example?

No, apparently it was all 'emotional'. (Although the South Korean Media alleges he was physically beaten - but I don't think they actually have any evidence to support that view)

RadioRaheem84
24th November 2010, 16:18
The only non-media (American or DPRK media) I've ever heard about the DPRK was anecdotal evidence by someone who is a family friend of my friend, who went there. They say it actually does resemble what the media portrays it to look like quite a lot.

So, NK is the fascist hellhole the media claims it to be?

Rafiq
25th November 2010, 01:48
I dunno, I've been to many places in the world and it's nothing like how the Media portrays them.

gorillafuck
25th November 2010, 19:41
So, NK is the fascist hellhole the media claims it to be?
It obviously isn't fascist. And I don't think there's the starvation that's claimed (though according to the world health organization, which has mostly proven itself to be an objective organization, claims 32% of the population live below minimum dietary energy consumption*). But I have heard that the idea about it being an extremely undemocratic place, a police state, and having a ridiculous personality cult are based in reality, yeah.

*http://apps.who.int/nutrition/landscape/report.aspx?iso=prk

Os Cangaceiros
25th November 2010, 23:45
I mean, the guy is obviously eccentric and pretty unstable to attempt to enter the DPRK illegally in the first place. I don't see what is so hard about believing his confession is mostly true, but that he would backpedal upon release. And this sort of identity-crisis would be the exact sort of thing that would provoke suicide attempts.

If he's a nut then his testimony as to the state of affairs in NK should be disregarded as well. You can't have it both ways, a.k.a. "he was a nut when he crossed the border, and he continued to be a nut once back in the United States, but he had a moment of truthful clarity when he was in the tender care of the DPRK."

pranabjyoti
26th November 2010, 02:13
It obviously isn't fascist. And I don't think there's the starvation that's claimed (though according to the world health organization, which has mostly proven itself to be an objective organization, claims 32% of the population live below minimum dietary energy consumption*). But I have heard that the idea about it being an extremely undemocratic place, a police state, and having a ridiculous personality cult are based in reality, yeah.

*http://apps.who.int/nutrition/landscape/report.aspx?iso=prk
But the question is who or what is the real culprit behind that scenario. The state system or the embargo that has been crippling it for decades?

Q
26th November 2010, 02:54
I find it somewhat amazing that people take a somewhat farfetched press release of a captive apparently at face value, yet criticise him and note that he must be crazy when this person is released and tells something different than what he told when he was still a prisoner.

But hey, he's talking against the DPRK, so he must be telling lies, right? :rolleyes:

pranabjyoti
26th November 2010, 03:23
I find it somewhat amazing that people take a somewhat farfetched press release of a captive apparently at face value, yet criticise him and note that he must be crazy when this person is released and tells something different than what he told when he was still a prisoner.

But hey, he's talking against the DPRK, so he must be telling lies, right? :rolleyes:
Well, the question is he still a prisoner? After all, he want to trespass into NK illegally and what kind of treatment illegal immigrants can hope for from US Govt? Well, it may be a fact that he is now still a prisoner (of imperialism).