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Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 16:08
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While the white working and middle class youth demonstrate over hikes in tuition fees, or march over cuts, the Peoples of the third world are really suffering, from hunger, poverty, lack of education, and living on less a day than what most in the first world earn in an hour.
Due to Economic Imperialism by Britain, the USA, France and many other European countries, the proletariat in the third world is producing most of the world’s goods, yet receives the smallest fraction of the value of the things that are produced.
Many so called Maoists are now adhering to an unscientific and defeatist program known as third worldism, which writes off the first world worker, and even casts him off as a parasite, who is all too willing to share in the plunder of the master, this however, is easily seen through, as most of the people saying this, have never worked a day in their life, are from petit Bourgeoisie academic backgrounds, who want to be Che Guevara.

However, the fact that the first world communist parties seem to focus on purely national issues, which despite being admirable, like fighting the cuts etc., seem to be in no rush to be true internationalists and organise around global issues, and actually be militant, despite genocidal wars being waged from their own nations.

We see students kicking windows in and starting bonfires over their parents having to pay more money for their education, yet when do we see attacks on military personnel or institutions?
When troops are killing the men, women and children of Afghanistan, where are the militant communist groups actively fighting imperialism?
Where are the white students when Gaza is being rocketed or Indian Maoists are engaged in armed struggle with the imperialist lackey government?
It seems that euro centrism and an indifference to the wretched of the earth is endemic in all European parties, and the people going through the harshest oppression are ignored, and solidarity is in words and banners only, whereas when the poll tax comes, people then are ready to be violent.
Now I am not claiming to be different, or some John J Rambo Anti Imp, but I think all of us in the west need to address this nationalist, anti-internationalist stance we have, when it comes to doing nothing, in a time of extreme violence against the masses, we need to really believe that freedom is merely privilege extended unless its free for one and all.
At the moment the first world proletariat, and the communist current in Europe and America need to see violence in say Colombia against the peasantry as an attack on the proletariat as a whole, or the occupation of Palestine as an occupation off all of our houses and streets.

Though revolutionary and still proletariat, the first world workers has become The house slave, either siding with the oppressor, or choosing the higher conditions than the field slave gets, rather than showing solidarity and fighting the overseer in the house, rather than sitting by while he whips the field slave.

red cat
23rd November 2010, 16:22
Well said. The actual function of most legal "leftist" organizations is to stop the masses from taking their struggles into a higher stage, and making them negotiate with the ruling class. They are the labour aristocracy.

Turn each struggle into class-struggle !

thriller
23rd November 2010, 16:23
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While the white working and middle class youth demonstrate over hikes in tuition fees, or march over cuts, the Peoples of the third world are really suffering, from hunger, poverty, lack of education, and living on less a day than what most in the first world earn in an hour.
Due to Economic Imperialism by Britain, the USA, France and many other European countries, the proletariat in the third world is producing most of the world’s goods, yet receives the smallest fraction of the value of the things that are produced.
Many so called Maoists are now adhering to an unscientific and defeatist program known as third worldism, which writes off the first world worker, and even casts him off as a parasite, who is all too willing to share in the plunder of the master, this however, is easily seen through, as most of the people saying this, have never worked a day in their life, are from petit Bourgeoisie academic backgrounds, who want to be Che Guevara.

However, the fact that the first world communist parties seem to focus on purely national issues, which despite being admirable, like fighting the cuts etc., seem to be in no rush to be true internationalists and organise around global issues, and actually be militant, despite genocidal wars being waged from their own nations.

We see students kicking windows in and starting bonfires over their parents having to pay more money for their education, yet when do we see attacks on military personnel or institutions?
When troops are killing the men, women and children of Afghanistan, where are the militant communist groups actively fighting imperialism?
Where are the white students when Gaza is being rocketed or Indian Maoists are engaged in armed struggle with the imperialist lackey government?
It seems that euro centrism and an indifference to the wretched of the earth is endemic in all European parties, and the people going through the harshest oppression are ignored, and solidarity is in words and banners only, whereas when the poll tax comes, people then are ready to be violent.
Now I am not claiming to be different, or some John J Rambo Anti Imp, but I think all of us in the west need to address this nationalist, anti-internationalist stance we have, when it comes to doing nothing, in a time of extreme violence against the masses, we need to really believe that freedom is merely privilege extended unless its free for one and all.
At the moment the first world proletariat, and the communist current in Europe and America need to see violence in say Colombia against the peasantry as an attack on the proletariat as a whole, or the occupation of Palestine as an occupation off all of our houses and streets.

Though revolutionary and still proletariat, the first world workers has become The house slave, either siding with the oppressor, or choosing the higher conditions than the field slave gets, rather than showing solidarity and fighting the overseer in the house, rather than sitting by while he whips the field slave.

First off, using the term "white working class" as blanket for all 'first world workers' is not helping. I have seen many blacks, hispanics and even native americans in the US protest over education cuts. Don't be so ignorant.
Second of all, this: "We see students kicking windows in and starting bonfires over their parents having to pay more money for their education, yet when do we see attacks on military personnel or institutions?" is clearly not accurate/documented. Do you have any evidence that suggests the militant student protesters all depend on their parents for education? I pay for college myself, as well as almost all of my friends because either a. we are not fortunate enough to have a savings account for school provided by our parents, or b. we had some money from our parents for school, but due to tuition hikes, the amount we had/have is practically nothing.

I understand your point, but using blanket statements, such as referring to all middle and working class people in the first world as one race is just ignorant. I'm not sure where you live, but if you live in the US you should know by now that this is how the capitalists divide us.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 16:35
Thriller, sorry for the blanket terms, however there is some justification for using the term white worker and implying most middle class kids and working class people have their tuition fees paid by their parents.

Most of the students WERE white, and white is not a term meaning caucasian, but white as a category a social category of well to do workers/professionels

And I do not live in the US Chara.

On my estate, i know about 6 people who have gone to higher education, and as they cannot get work, their parents will be paying for them.

thriller
23rd November 2010, 16:48
Thriller, sorry for the blanket terms, however there is some justification for using the term white worker and implying most middle class kids and working class people have their tuition fees paid by their parents.

Most of the students WERE white, and white is not a term meaning caucasian, but white as a category a social category of well to do workers/professionels

And I do not live in the US Chara.

On my estate, i know about 6 people who have gone to higher education, and as they cannot get work, their parents will be paying for them.

Ohh, are you using the term 'white-collar'? Because then it makes a lot more sense to me haha.

Maybe most middle class students have college paid for by their parents, but not working class. 1. The majority of loan recipients (at least here in the US) are working class students, which obviously shows their parents are not paying for tuition. 2. Working class students have to work. 3. If working class families have the funds to pay for expenses such as college for their children, they are much better off than we thought.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 17:18
well i live on a council estate, which is 100 percent working class, and hardly any people here go to higher education, yet those who do get their family to pay for it, and couldnt pay for it themselves as there are no jobs here hardly.

Most are on the dole though.

SocialismOrBarbarism
23rd November 2010, 17:26
The best way we could help the third world is by fighting for socialist revolution here. I'm pretty sure fighting austerity is more likely to win people over to the cause than trying to kill soldiers.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 17:28
so we should do nothing to fight imperialism at home, and instead focus on issues here, which are not life threatening in the same way depleted uranium in iraq is?

Why can we not do both?

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
23rd November 2010, 18:02
I guess I best go and try to mindlessly attack the nearest army barracks what will be a pointless waste of life. But at least I can feel revolutionary.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 18:12
Im not advocating that, Im saying communist parites shoul;d organise and carry out militant groundwork party building, and fight capital, and also have an underground to fight imperialism and not just focus on first world cuts, focus on workers stuggles globally and fight in unison with comrades already fighting capitalism, both by organising and building revolutionary parties, but by resisting imperialism and relieving the rich of their ill gotten gains

Comrade Wolfie's Very Nearly Banned Adventures
23rd November 2010, 18:15
Im not advocating that, Im saying communist parites shoul;d organise and carry out militant groundwork party building, and fight capital, and also have an underground to fight imperialism and not just focus on first world cuts, focus on workers stuggles globally and fight in unison with comrades already fighting capitalism, both by organising and building revolutionary parties, but by resisting imperialism and relieving the rich of their ill gotten gains

A fantasy land.

scarletghoul
23rd November 2010, 18:17
Definitely we do need a proletarian movement here that allies with the movements across the world. There are some other vital things lacking in the leftist parties, but this is one of them yeah.

scarletghoul
23rd November 2010, 18:18
A fantasy land.
yeah revolution is fantasy lolol