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Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 13:18
Now I may view Nk as revisionist and heading if not already at private capitalism, however i defend them from imperialism, and think, if the north and south were reunited I think Korea woul;d get on the right path.

So, heres what the yankees and South have to face.





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http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNPhRp7qwBse1gYRg79RIMCWdLIFrlr 7n12F45ul_Ya2uKtVku


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnIIptARFcKW7xAOUkTuDUlDHAofHtY YW_Y3SN42syK4Tn9ziGvV-ilNYH We must all uphold the right of the Korean people to self determination and to defend their self, despite the revisionism of their government.

Will China and Iran side with NK if SK and the USA attack?

Xuix
23rd November 2010, 13:48
I seriously doubt that China will ally with NK. They are primarily a capitalist nation, and hold too many interests in the United states to piss off an ally. It just makes no sense.

zimmerwald1915
23rd November 2010, 14:33
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That is despicable, even as a joke. There's a difference between revolutionary defeatism and hoping for the nuclear annihilation of several million workers.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 14:39
sorry, have you been on an american forum recently, theres a thread on one titled

"would you stop a muslim holocaust"

30 say they wouldnt
2 say they probably would

Seriously, if they can say they are actually calling for genocide, I cant post a joke picture as a laugh, get over it.

zimmerwald1915
23rd November 2010, 14:41
sorry, have you been on an american forum recently, theres a thread on one titled

"would you stop a muslim holocaust"

30 say they wouldnt
2 say they probably would

Seriously, if they can say they are actually calling for genocide, I cant post a joke picture as a laugh, get over it.
No, I like to stay away from parts of the Internet that feature threads calling for mass murder.

red cat
23rd November 2010, 14:56
China, as a rival imperialist power, will support North Korea against the USA.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 14:58
i join the right wing forums, pretend to be a right wing patriot, then pretend to come out as being gay on it just to see their reactions lool

One guy said i was a subhuman, but he would pray for my soul lmfao

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 14:58
China, as a rival imperialist power, will support North Korea against the USA.


yeah that was my belief

khad
23rd November 2010, 16:00
China, as a rival imperialist power, will support North Korea against the USA.
Just like they supported the Afghans against the USA, right?

And the Nepalese Maoists--China was just showing them love by officially labeling them terrorists, right?

:rolleyes:

Inter-imperial was a theory developed in a period of protectionist imperialism and has absolutely no bearing on the current state of affairs that has the world's two largest economic powers locked to one another in economic dependence.

RadioRaheem84
23rd November 2010, 16:07
China won't do shit. It protested more in the defense of Baathist Iraq then it did of the Nepalese Maoists.

China is straight business now.

red cat
23rd November 2010, 16:07
Just like they supported the Afghans against the USA, right?

And the Nepalese Maoists--China was just showing them love by officially labeling them terrorists, right?

:rolleyes:

Writing the dates alongside events will help. As we all know, Deng and company always upholded the GPCR, the "gang" of four and revolutionary movements all over the world, and no one ever wrote anything under the protrait of Mao in Tiananmen Square.... :rolleyes:


Inter-imperial was a theory developed in a period of protectionist imperialism and has absolutely no bearing on the current state of affairs that has the world's two largest economic powers locked to one another in economic dependence.

Please explain why ?

Vladimir Innit Lenin
23rd November 2010, 17:25
Make LA look like Hiroshima? How idiotic. What will that solve?

Iran has its own problems, I doubt it wants to get involved in any war other than a defensive one. China, I don't think, will interfere militarily in terms of all out war against the US. If there is to be war, it is more likely to be a la Vietnam - the US will do all they can by proxy for the South Koreans and China likewise for the North. There is too much at stake for the US to go into the DPRK directly, as world war would be a strong possibility, if China then decides to come in for the DPRK.

In any case, I don't see how the DPRK can be attacked, now that it possesses atomic weapons. Playing the Capitalists with their own military endgame theory.

cb9's_unity
23rd November 2010, 17:30
Will China and Iran side with NK if SK and the USA attack?

I have to wonder what in the world Iran is doing in most of these equations. It starts to cross into the threshold of farce when we are justifying relations with Iran as a sort of enemy of my enemy deal.

You can argue whatever theoretic-apologist line you want when taking about the DPRK. But the Islamist (and no not islam, islamist, there's a difference and I have to cover my ground before someone decides to call me a racist) theocracy is pretty much in the same league as nazism.

Cultural Revolution
23rd November 2010, 17:36
Im not cheering iran lol, im just saying they might fight the SK USA militarily in a sort of pact with DPRK Iran adn China

zimmerwald1915
23rd November 2010, 17:39
I have to wonder what in the world Iran is doing in most of these equations. It starts to cross into the threshold of farce when we are justifying relations with Iran as a sort of enemy of my enemy deal.
Really, though, that's what this sort of "anti-imperialism" boils down to: supporting one bloc against another, calling for war.

Red Commissar
23rd November 2010, 17:44
It would depend on the scale of the war. If it becomes apparent that North Korea will probably be annexed or occupied, China might not be idle. NK has served as a convenient buffer against land incursions into China, so they might be concerned about western forces being right over their border, one that is more accessible than their western borders and closer to their population centers.

RadioRaheem84
23rd November 2010, 18:25
I am confused as to how joking or threatening to turn downtown LA into Hiroshima circa 1945 is good for the socialist cause?

scarletghoul
23rd November 2010, 18:31
1. LA/Hiroshima joke is poor taste.
2. What hell lol, theres a small chance of China supporting DPRK but Iran ? Noo..
3. Apart from that the OP is correct

dernier combat
24th November 2010, 04:30
sorry, have you been on an american forum recently, theres a thread on one titled

"would you stop a muslim holocaust"

30 say they wouldnt
2 say they probably would

Seriously, if they can say they are actually calling for genocide, I cant post a joke picture as a laugh, get over it.
...and that's because that forum which is home to a small, radical fringe of the American population is representative of the entire working class in the US. Those people post on that forum because they have radical and somewhat unique views to share. Everyday, boring people don't open a forum for everyday, boring things because that would be fucking boring and would feature very little discussion. Remember that when you are dealing with people who have such radical views, they are typically a minority.

The Vegan Marxist
24th November 2010, 05:08
China would probably not choose a side, unfortunately. Iran may support the DPRK, but at what level of support is unknown. Cuba I'm pretty sure would support the DPRK, no doubt.

Tablo
24th November 2010, 07:46
DPRK would receive Russian support most likely, but seeing as the US would support the RK I somewhat doubt the PRC would openly support the DPRK. The PRC might provide them weaponry discretely. Whatever the case we all know the PRC and the US will not want to go into open war since they are economically dependent on each other.

BTW I don't want either to fight and I see no good happening in a continuation of the Korean War. I hate both of their governments and hope someday the people of the Korean peninsula may live unified as one.

Rafiq
26th November 2010, 03:06
China would militarily support them, but quietly

I don't know why you would think Iran would support them though...

Iran is two-faced when it comes to these situations.

pranabjyoti
26th November 2010, 03:18
China, as a rival imperialist power, will support North Korea against the USA.
I have doubt in this regard. Remember their totally passive role during the Iraq war. If they want, they can certainly put a veto against resolution in the security council.

William Howe
26th November 2010, 03:21
Kim Jong Il is a batshit insane fool with no beliefs anywhere near those of Communism. North Koreans accept him mainly out of fear or propaganda. Then again, this can be said for a lot of Western leaders, accepted mainly due to lies and underhanded tactics.

I don't think NK deserves to have one crazed loon overthrown only to have another crazed loon thrown in. I support NK fully on this, all that's happened to them hs been Western bullying and harassment. No more of this bollocks.


Fun fact: Voicing my support for the DPRNK on a news forum got me banned under the reason 'Trolling'.

redSHARP
26th November 2010, 05:38
DPRK will not be united with South Korea. The South Koreans would not dare fight that deep into the North; estimated over a million red troops, thats alot of fighting even with modern warfare. Now, DPRK will be destroyed through air strikes and the US will not go north, let the South Koreans do that for them. China will sit back and keep refugees from crossing the border. China also would not engage in combat with Korean/US forces, there is no reason to; as long as the US do not cross the DMZ. Russia will sit back and keep their army and navy on high alert in order to keep belligerents from crossing into Russia waters. Iran will shout about anti-imperialism and then proceed to deny the holocaust or say 9/11 was an inside job. Cuba will keep call for peace along with the EU. Japan will mobilize and start air combat patrols in order to secure their waters.

As long as no US troops are killed and no troops cross the DMZ, everything should be diffused in 48 hours. hopefully; i hate to see bloodshred.

p.s. justin bieber should have just done his tour in DPRK

MellowViper
27th November 2010, 10:48
Now I may view Nk as revisionist and heading if not already at private capitalism, however i defend them from imperialism, and think, if the north and south were reunited I think Korea woul;d get on the right path.

So, heres what the yankees and South have to face.





http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDlkZwsnEYyj--MByoA5EllFE2lYHNBm9UcJDjXUPvgaYhH4T9



http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRNPhRp7qwBse1gYRg79RIMCWdLIFrlr 7n12F45ul_Ya2uKtVku


http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRnIIptARFcKW7xAOUkTuDUlDHAofHtY YW_Y3SN42syK4Tn9ziGvV-ilNYH We must all uphold the right of the Korean people to self determination and to defend their self, despite the revisionism of their government.

Will China and Iran side with NK if SK and the USA attack?

I don't think China will side with NK, because I don't really think they give a rats ass about them. If it comes between trade with the rest of the world and siding with NK over superficial, ideological lines, when push comes to shove, they will pick their economic interests.

From what I understand, Iran doesn't have any relationship with NK to speak of. You sound like you carry a lot of assumptions that the American media promotes about its enemy states. Despite what cable news wants you to believe, just because a group of countries happen to be "terror states" or profess an ideology the US has been hostile to historically, it doesn't mean they're all friends with each other.

RATM-Eubie
28th November 2010, 02:42
I just pray to god nothing happens.

Chimurenga.
28th November 2010, 07:34
DPRK would receive Russian support most likely

I seriously doubt that. Russia wants nothing to do with this and I think, at best, they will remain neutral and silent.

Sir Comradical
28th November 2010, 09:49
Kim Jong Il is a batshit insane fool with no beliefs anywhere near those of Communism. North Koreans accept him mainly out of fear or propaganda. Then again, this can be said for a lot of Western leaders, accepted mainly due to lies and underhanded tactics.

I don't think NK deserves to have one crazed loon overthrown only to have another crazed loon thrown in. I support NK fully on this, all that's happened to them hs been Western bullying and harassment. No more of this bollocks.


Fun fact: Voicing my support for the DPRNK on a news forum got me banned under the reason 'Trolling'.

Kim Jong Il is a lot of things but he is no fool.

Rafiq
29th November 2010, 02:50
Wow, this is disgusting seeing no nations are supporting the DPRK in this. I feel bad for them, everyone is ganging up on them.

China needs to act up on this, seriously, the US will do anything for the ROK to protect it, but who will Protect North Korea? If China does not support North Korea, this will piss me off to a huge degree.

Revolutionair
29th November 2010, 02:58
About Iran and the DPRK:
"Iran heeft hoogwaardige raketten gekocht van Noord-Korea die West-Europa kunnen bereiken"
-http://nos.nl/artikel/201507-wikileaks-publiceert-berichten-vs.html

Iran has bought rockets from the DPRK, these rockets can reach Western-Europe.
Maybe there is something going on between the DPRK and Iran?

manic expression
29th November 2010, 03:37
China needs to act up on this, seriously, the US will do anything for the ROK to protect it, but who will Protect North Korea? If China does not support North Korea, this will piss me off to a huge degree.
China not acting is China acting. The PRC is bound by treaty to defend the DPRK in case of military attack, and since they (like everyone who has two bits of sense) don't want it to come to that, they're not acting on the situation. It's not a totally unreasonable course, since any overt support for the DPRK at this point would greatly escalate the crisis, while any statement against the DPRK would serve the imperialists. Thus, the PRC has done neither, and so the imperialists can do nothing but shake their fist at the "Yellow Peril" and shout into the wind...for now.

My take is that direct Chinese involvement at this juncture would probably hurt more than it would help. IMO, if the PRC wanted to hurt the DPRK, it would be doing something else.

I do agree with the rest of your post, though. It's no surprise that the DPRK has been looking to its defenses for some time: the imperialists can so easily gang up on them. I think that's one of the reasons the imperialists are ranting in vain about China's inaction...they want the PRC to "deal with" Korea, since they know an imperialist attack on the DPRK would be at least ruinous.

William Howe
30th November 2010, 22:38
I think Jon Stewart put it best.

"This is nothing more than two greater powers, China and the US, using two lesser powers, North and South Korea, to play Rock-'em-Sock-'em-Robots."



But humour aside, I think this is what it'll boil down to. If China does side with NK, it'll be for political reasons to combat the US.

Tankred
30th November 2010, 23:28
I support the people on all sides. I couldn't care less about what the massive groaning bureaucracies decide to yell at each other. When civilians start dying on either side, then yeah, I'll be pissed and may chose a "side." Until then, this is all just romanticizing a potential bloodbath.