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Luisrah
22nd November 2010, 18:13
I understand that the bourgeoisie is greedy and that only in countries where there are strikes and etc the living conditions of the workers get better. I know that they will never give up their profit.

That is what is observable. But why is that, in a marxist perspective?

Whenever I tell someone to go on a strike, they always tell me, ''that's not the solution'' or ''we have to do our part, not stop working''.
And then I tell them ''but they, the banks and those huge companies that make millions of profit when we are getting lower salaries and higher taxes, they aren't going to do their part'', and even if they believe in that, they'll say ''So? If we stop producing the crisis is only going to get worse'' or ''Atleast we are doing our part''.

So, why class struggle, and how to convince someone else to think the same way?

NecroCommie
22nd November 2010, 18:57
There needs to be a good understanding of why there is no grey area, why there is no neutral position between status quo and defending your rights. If you don't do anything you are only letting the capitalist crimes go unopposed and might as well opress me yourself. One cannot give away the power that is within you as a worker, so one cannot give away the responsibility that is merged with it either.

StalinFanboy
22nd November 2010, 21:14
I understand that the bourgeoisie is greedy and that only in countries where there are strikes and etc the living conditions of the workers get better. I know that they will never give up their profit.

That is what is observable. But why is that, in a marxist perspective?

Whenever I tell someone to go on a strike, they always tell me, ''that's not the solution'' or ''we have to do our part, not stop working''.
And then I tell them ''but they, the banks and those huge companies that make millions of profit when we are getting lower salaries and higher taxes, they aren't going to do their part'', and even if they believe in that, they'll say ''So? If we stop producing the crisis is only going to get worse'' or ''Atleast we are doing our part''.

So, why class struggle, and how to convince someone else to think the same way?
It's not a matter of convincing people. It happens on it's own. Class struggle isn't an ideology, it's an integral part of history, and especially capitalism. As the crisis deepens, it will be harder for the state and the ruling class to hide the antagonisms that are inherent in capitalism.

Property Is Robbery
22nd November 2010, 21:17
So, why class struggle, and how to convince someone else to think the same way?
I've asked myself the same question, but usually people have to come to these kind of conclusions on their own for them to fully get behind things such as class struggle, communism etc.

The Author
22nd November 2010, 21:28
''but they, the banks and those huge companies that make millions of profit when we are getting lower salaries and higher taxes, they aren't going to do their part'', and even if they believe in that, they'll say ''So? If we stop producing the crisis is only going to get worse'' or ''Atleast we are doing our part''.

So, why class struggle, and how to convince someone else to think the same way?

I agree with what NecroCommie said. People need to remember that it's not our fault and we're not the cause of the economic crisis. It's those very bankers and corporate heads that put us in this mess to begin with and are the only ones making the crisis worse, not us. They took all of the wealth, and there has been a very uneven dispersal of wealth where we have almost nothing and they have pretty much everything. There was never a "trickling down effect," no even distribution of resources, no help for those who need it, or very little if any. Because we've been denied what we've been entitled to in terms of what we work for, we have the right to strike and protest and demonstrate against such exploitation. We have the right to forcefully take what is ours. Hence, class struggle. There has always been that excuse in the past that if we demonstrate, we "hurt business," but in reality, it's the bourgeois refusing to give their surplus to the working people who truly deserved it because of their greed.