Salvador Allende!

[FistFullOfSteel]

he was a good man,too bad he died,so i wonder,do u guys know how he died,i heard that he shot himself and som other rumor that he was bombed and die,this was under pinochets attack!?send also and good sites too if u want :P

[Inti]

Hello, I havent found any proof of if he shot himself or died defending, though I rather lean to a story that I have heard saying that he got warned some hour before and told to leave, but he refused saying that he cant let his voters down, picking up his rifle and helmet and stayed put when the army planes shot missiles into the building.

Here is a site, but it doesnt say either if he shot himself or not.
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/chile/allende.htm

And here is a site about the covert actions in Chile by the US

http://www.derechos.org/nizkor/chile/doc/covert.html

[FistFullOfSteel]

thanks comrade :) :hammer:

[Inti]

De nada compañero:)

[Morpheus]

If I remember correctly, the official story from the military dictatorship was that he shot himself. In the back. With a machine gun. Repeatedly.

[Inti]

That wouldve been quite a spectacle, a guy holding a machinegun to his back and shooting himself repeatedly.. Wish someone could show that trick to Dubya..

[chamo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 01:46 PM
he was a good man,too bad he died,so i wonder,do u guys know how he died,i heard that he shot himself and som other rumor that he was bombed and die,this was under pinochets attack!?send also and good sites too if u want :P
He was killed in the last gunfight, he fought himself and was just killed in the normal way one is during battle. I don't think he would have taken his life, he would fight to the last.

[Subcomandante Marcos]

First of all, I want to say that Im a 17 year old chilen youngster who has educated himself a lot about chilean events and Allende has always been my favorite topic.

Allende, born Salvador Allende Gossens, was a dedicated socialist (he belonged to the Socialistic Party, PS), but many authors have decribed him as a Leninist-Marxist utopian. Before he became president of the Republic of Chile on 1970, he tried on 3 unsuccesful times before. When he came within a 3% of the Chair the US worried, a declared Marxist could not win on popular election, what presedent would set for the other struggling south american countries ?? and that is why the President of the U$ spent over 30 million dollars on Chile, most of the money went to the center party (more to the right) called Christian Democracy, DC. On the election of the 70 the UP (Popular Unity) named Allende as it representative and he had to compete with former president Jorge Alesandri Palma. He won with about one third of the votes (he was a real charm with the ladies and on the women tables he had a vast majority). This is when all starts

On that time of a candidate did not get a total majority (50% of the votes and 1) the senate had to choose between the two candidates with the highest votes, and Allende would be chosen by tradition. Coronel Schneider, then Commander of the Army, was a firm defensor of the constitution and declared thta it would support any decision from the people, because of this he was assassin by an elite group from the extreme-right (the National Party, PN, was the right wing party, it goes now as National Renovation, RN). The atmosphere was dense and Allende needed the Dc votes in order to be ractified by the Senate, he got it and the Chilen Revolution began.

There is much to wirte about the 1000 days of the UP on Chile, ending with the unfamous bombing of La Moneda on Septembre 11, 1973. First of all the creation of radical groups was enminent and the first to come up was the Revolutionary Leftist Movement, MIR, which was formed under the inspiration of the Cuban Revolution on the 60's. As for the right, and US financed groups was formed, the Patria y Libertad group who was guilty of boycotting the Democratic Government. The first years was awesome, with the reforms of Allende there was money for everyone, when the propetaries of the big companies started complaining, the same workers took over the factorise, the MIR took over big extensions of land to give it to the poor without home. There was the creation of the GAP, the personal gard of Allende concerning of his integrity

The crisis on Chile was caused mostly by a shortage of goods, you had to stand on line for over 6 hours to get one kilo of bread or sugar, that is why the JAPs were created. On the neighborhood peope organized and made common food for everyon to eat. But what is proven is that the right, owners of all the bussiness hid all the food and goods underground with the help from the army and egotistic employers.

On September 11, The army came out to the streets and marched to La Moned, concerning the DEATH of Allende, msot people asy he killed himself since his own medic assures it, he was found dead inside the State House, but when the coup occured no media was allowed inside so there is no certain way of telling. What is true is that he stood to the end firm of his beliefs and to the workers.

During the regime of Pinochet 3000 people dissapeared and were never found, according to the Rettig inform, thousands more tortured, the economy was put under a laissez-faire type and the chilean coin was devaluated. Only when Pinochet had to do a pebliscit on October 5 1988 and the No won (No more Pinochet) that is when democracy came back.

But the guilty ones are still free, the militars are still alive and unpunished, a lot has happend, like the Boinazo or the detention of Pinochet by british athorities and the support the Chilean Government gave to him spite the massive demonstrations against Pinochet on Chile meanwhile.

Pagare con mi vida la lealtad del pueblo....De nuevo se abriran las grandes alamedas por donde pase el hombre libre para construir una sociedad mejor

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Thanks for the biography, Comrade Subcommandante Marcos. I do not know much about Allende.

[Inti]

Muchas gracias Subcomandante Marcos:D

Me gustaria ir a Chile de nuevo. Estuve por alla 2000 con mi maestro de Karate que es de allá. But can you tell me about Pinochet, if he is still alive and if so, why? My karate instructor had to escape the country because he was on one of the death lists made by the Pinochet junta and the US, but now he has left my country Sweden to live in Chile with his family.

[Lardlad95]

this thread belongs in history

[Dhul Fiqar]

Marcos: I wonder, is Allende popular today in Chile? I understand Pablo Neruda is still the national hero, and he was a Communist and a friend of Allende, so I assume most people are sympathetic to him in some way?

Anyway, great post :)

--- G.

[Subcomandante Marcos]

First, Inti (does your name have anything to do with Inti Illimani?), Pinochet is still alive, he is 87 I think and a lot has happened since the NO won on 88.

He was still commander in chief of the army until 98, he was a senator for a while until he was trailed and was declared uncapable of testifying and he had to resign to the senate. He is very ill and is much respected by the army and by a lot of politicians of the right (UDI and RN), the funny thing is thatafter three consectuive governments of left, on the coming elections the probable winner is Joaquin Lavin, a declared Pinochet lover and a member of the UDI, a right winged party (he worked for him duringthe regime and also wrote a book and the economical succeses 'La Revolucion Silenciosa')

Many people had to escape the country and the ones that couldnt are now dead or were tortured (3000 missing and about 60,000 torturd on 17 years of opression), the CNI was in charge of the whole operation. But also I forgot to mention it before, on 85, as part of the Communist Party, the Frente Patriotico Manuel Rodriguez was founded. This group was in charge of distributing the food to the marginal sectors of Santiago, this paramilitar group tried, unsuccesfuly, to kill Pinochet and has done various acts since its creation, but on 92 they split into the Movimiento Patriotico Manuel Rodriguez and the FPMR (Frente Patriotico Manuel Rodriguez (http://www.fpmr.org))

As for the popularity, it is still very delicate. Ricardo Neftali Reyes, or Pablo Neruda, was very popular and still is since he was a great writer and a very educated person, he was Senator for the Communist Party and died on September, 1973, of sorrow is said.

This September 11 is very special, it marks the 30th anniversary of the coup and the wounds are still open, a lot of questions are still unwanswered and demonstrations are nor authorized, but we are all gonna be on the streets along with the relatives of the missing persons, fellow communist comrades.

Cooooompañero Allende... Presente ahora y siempre !!!! :hammer:

[Inti]

Marcos,

No, my name dont have anything to do with the group Inti Illimani, though I like their music. Im into various groups of latin music like los prisioneros, tiro de gracia and gondwana. But as for inti I just like the quechua word for sun :D I wish to learn quechua but regrettably my wife hasnt learned quechua from her parents.

I heard something about Pinochet making a law saying that in Chile there only lives chileans, in an attempt to not aknowledge the fact that there still are lot of mapuches, I have heard that he was afraid of the mapuches, do you know if that is right? And also that black people werent allowed to live in chile.

I cant understand how a Pinochet lover could be on the left side, but ok.

[Urban Rubble]

Marcos, you should have told of the U.S's involvement in the coup.

First off, Henry Kissinger was the one that supplied the assassains of Colonel Shneider with unmarked machine guns. After they killed him and most of the group was arrested, the U.S government shelled out $30,000 to keep the remaining members quiet.

[Poncho Hernandez]

What are some thoughts on the people that declare Allende a reformist and therefore a counterrevolutionary. I really don't know enough on the subject to pass judgement.

[FistFullOfSteel]

allende was good!those who supports pinochet,they have a problem ;)

[Viet_Nam_Communist_Youth_Union©]

commander in chief of the army until 98, he was a senator for a while until he was trailed and was declared uncapable of testifying and he had to resign to the senate. He is very ill and is much respected by the army and by a lot of politicians of the right (UDI and RN)


:angry: I wish I could give a bullet (or maybe a couple :D ) into his head :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:



But from Canada to Chile is a loooooooooooooong way :(

[FistFullOfSteel]

hell yeha

[Inti]

I think you´d have to stand in line.. Lots of people who would like a piece of him :ph34r: