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[NKVD]

Hi all! As you can see I've created an account here.

[Nolan]

Welcome.

[gorillafuck]

Welcome!

[Quail]

Hello, welcome :)
Do you identify with any particular tendency?

[Q]

^ He's a Marxist-Leninist apparently, which should've been hinted by his/her nick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD).

Welcome.

[Quail]

Oops, missed that :blushing:

[Q]

For some reason my link dropped from my previous reply, readded it for extra context on his/her nick.

[Nolan]

^ He's a Marxist-Leninist apparently, which should've been hinted by his/her nick (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD).

Welcome.

Well there's also the tendency that they had added by the time you wrote this.

[Widerstand]

Hello, Happy Account Creation Day!

[Q]

Well there's also the tendency that they had added by the time you wrote this.

That was implied.

[Sasha]

charming user name, is this in jest or do you sincerly believe the NKVD was an progresive organisation futhering socialist development?

[NKVD]

charming user name, is this in jest or do you sincerly believe the NKVD was an progresive organisation futhering socialist development?

I think the NKVD was a progressive organization that helped defeat Nazi Germany and attempted to stop reactionary revisionists from taking power. Unfortunately, they didn't quite succeed in that. Kruschev wasn't that bad, but he created the institution that allowed Gorbachev to take power.

[Q]

I think the NKVD was a progressive organization that helped defeat Nazi Germany and attempted to stop reactionary revisionists from taking power. Unfortunately, they didn't quite succeed in that. Kruschev wasn't that bad, but he created the institution that allowed Gorbachev to take power.

Given that revisionism means to leave behind the basic principles of Marxism (democracy, internationalism, working class independence), I would argue that the NKVD was created by a revisionist government (it was founded in 1934, so Stalin's leadership) as a tool of a state in which a counter-revolution had occured within the revolution, used against the working class and to keep the communist movement internationally inline with Moscow's foreign policy demands.

But that would of course smash your little "anti-revisionist" bubble :)

[Nolan]

You would argue that, of course you'd be wrong.

[Q]

You would argue that, of course you'd be wrong.

Great counter.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

You would argue that, of course you'd be wrong.
Boomshakalaka awesome dunk dude
:rolleyes:

[Widerstand]

Given that revisionism means to leave behind the basic principles of Marxism (democracy, internationalism, working class independence)

From how the word is used on this forum, it doesn't mean that at all.

[4 Leaf Clover]

Welcome

Username is not the smartest one , but its yours , and i guess we will know you by it for long time

[Q]

From how the word is used on this forum, it doesn't mean that at all.

Originally it was meant to describe Bernstein's move to the right, against which the Marxist left (Luxemburg) and center (Kautsky) rallied.

"Revisionism" as used by the "anti-revisionists" apparently means something along the lines of "Stalin's leadership was really socialist, if only Kruchev and those other bastards hadn't screwed it all up, the USSR would still exist today".

Of course, such an "analysis" doesn't give any explanation of the underlying processes happening in soviet society, which made the revolution fail and give ground to a counter-revolution. The "anti-revisionists" instead choose to explain it away by grabbing back to the bourgeois concept of Great Men ("If only we had a pure leader and a dedicated party (read: a monolithic party in which dissent is put down)!"), which Marx already despised in his days.

[4 Leaf Clover]

"Revisionism" as used by the "anti-revisionists" apparently means something along the lines of "Stalin's leadership was really socialist, if only Kruchev and those other bastards hadn't screwed it all up, the USSR would still exist today".

No , it describes as person who attempts to revise original Marx , Engels , and Lenin theory

[Q]

No , it describes as person who attempts to revise original Marx , Engels , and Lenin theory

Thank you for agreeing with me (see post 13) :)

[4 Leaf Clover]

Thank you for agreeing with me (see post 13) :)

No problem :)

but NKVD wasn't political organization or a Leninist Vanguard. It was a tool

[Q]

No problem :)

but NKVD wasn't political organization or a Leninist Vanguard. It was a tool

Yes indeed. As I said already:


Given that revisionism means to leave behind the basic principles of Marxism (democracy, internationalism, working class independence), I would argue that the NKVD was created by a revisionist government (it was founded in 1934, so Stalin's leadership) as a tool of a state in which a counter-revolution had occured within the revolution, used against the working class and to keep the communist movement internationally inline with Moscow's foreign policy demands.

But that would of course smash your little "anti-revisionist" bubble :)
Emphasis added.

So the relation here is that the NKVD was a tool of a revisionist government (well, counter-revolutionary really, but revisionist in theoretical cover up).

[4 Leaf Clover]

keep the bullshit in chit-chat . kthx :D

[Q]

Apparently this is going nowhere. Shows the bankruptcy of the "anti-revisionists" I guess.

Closed.