Liu Xiaobo -- thoughts?

[Unclebananahead]

Western media vociferously broadcasts the story of Chinese human rights activist Liu Xiaobo, but what are the thoughts of those of you here on RL?

[Queercommie Girl]

Liu Xiaobo is a reactionary right-wing liberal, who is openly elitist and opposes mass democracy, as well as saying things like "China should be colonised for 300 years" by the West. Anyone who is not anti-Liu Xiaobo is simply not a genuine socialist.

However, this doesn't necessarily imply that socialists would support the current Chinese state in its decision to imprison him. The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Personally I think this point is debatable. Frankly many of those in China's current ruling bloc aren't really that much better than Liu Xiaobo politically speaking.

[Dimentio]

China should not imprison him.

They should do what would have been done in most western nations.

1. Have a Chinese equivalent of Glenn Beck air a (heavily slanted) show about Liu Xiaobo's statements and his connections.

2. Air documentaries about how the Chinese people suffered under Western and Japanese domination.

3. Make him persona non-grata in public life.

Some western nations are putting "dissidents" in jail, mostly right-wing extremists and Holocaust deniers. That is also probably counter-productive.

China is not under a state of emergency today, when such measures could be motivated (like the British imprisoning Mosley during WW2).

[The Red Next Door]

i read about this fuck; he a tool.

[Unclebananahead]

I just looked him up on Wikipedia and read about his 'colonialism' statement, in which he states that the way forward, or 'solution' for political reform in China is several hundred years of colonialism, as in Hong Kong.

Also, I read the list of demands ('Charter 08') that Xiaobo and his collaborators are behind, and item 14 on the list is "protection of private property." This tends to confirm your remarks.

[4 Leaf Clover]

a puppet

[RedHal]

China should not imprison him.

They should do what would have been done in most western nations.

1. Have a Chinese equivalent of Glenn Beck air a (heavily slanted) show about Liu Xiaobo's statements and his connections.

2. Air documentaries about how the Chinese people suffered under Western and Japanese domination.

3. Make him persona non-grata in public life.

Some western nations are putting "dissidents" in jail, mostly right-wing extremists and Holocaust deniers. That is also probably counter-productive.

China is not under a state of emergency today, when such measures could be motivated (like the British imprisoning Mosley during WW2).

1)Chinese Glenn Beck vs the entire Western world and institutions backing Liu.
2)I'm sure the Chinese masses know this already.
3)With his "China should be colonized for several hundred years", I'm sure this guy is seen as a piece of shit in China. It's the West and their lapdogs who are putting this guy on a pedestal. You got so called Left media like Democracy Now! airing an entire segment on Liu with celebs reading his writings, without once mentioning his disgusting policies!

[Unclebananahead]

You got so called Left media like Democracy Now! airing an entire segment on Liu with celebs reading his writings, without once mentioning his disgusting policies!


That scummy reactionary got a big, favorable segment on Democracy Now? WTF? Seriously? I thought they were better than that.

[Chimurenga.]

He should stay and rot in prison.

[scarletghoul]

China should not imprison him.

They should do what would have been done in most western nations.

1. Have a Chinese equivalent of Glenn Beck air a (heavily slanted) show about Liu Xiaobo's statements and his connections.

2. Air documentaries about how the Chinese people suffered under Western and Japanese domination.

3. Make him persona non-grata in public life.

Some western nations are putting "dissidents" in jail, mostly right-wing extremists and Holocaust deniers. That is also probably counter-productive.

China is not under a state of emergency today, when such measures could be motivated (like the British imprisoning Mosley during WW2).
Problem with that strategy is it would raise Liu's profile, and probably would cause some people to sympathise with him for being so anti-government. It would bring his ideas into the sphere of 'disputable', rather than illegal. Glenn Beck only convinces a minority of Americans, the rest are quite critical of him, and polls have shown that many Americans are actually pro-socialism since Obama kept getting called 'socialist', because the idea of 'socialism' has been given more media attention and has been brought into the sphere of disputable while previously it was an unthinkable blasphemy.

It is more efficient to just lock people up than to give their views any airtime (even if negatively)

Nick Griffin is another example, I think sympathy for him went up a bit after that episode of Question Time.

[Crux]

Yes, he is a right-winger and a neoliberal, but given that the only attacks I've seen on him from a chinese direction have been blatantly nationalist, and never even touched on the issue of economics, that should tell you how alike his opponents he are in that particular field.

I have participated in several threads on Liu already so, Unclebananahead, a quick search and you ought to find my other responses.

In short I think it is indefensible to stand by the regime in sentencing anyone, even a right-winger like Liu, for thought-crimes.
Don't forget that they are striking hard against the left as well, although this hardly receives the same attention in western media.
State repression in China: The Case of Zhao Dongmin, leftist trade unionist (http://www.chinaworker.info/en/content/news/1207/)

[gorillafuck]

I wouldn't imprison him, but he's terrible.

[Palingenisis]

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In short I think it is indefensible to stand by the regime in sentencing anyone, even a right-winger like Liu, for thought-crimes.
Don't forget that they are striking hard against the left as well, although this hardly receives the same attention in western media.

Never read Terrorism and Communism by St Trotsky "comrade"?

From the scum who support the right of Loyalist paramilitaries to parade images of those who butchered community past their houses and when they protest it call them sectarian I would expect nothing less....Long live the rights of reaction!

[Crux]

Never read Terrorism and Communism by St Trotsky "comrade"?

From the scum who support the right of Loyalist paramilitaries to parade images of those who butchered community past their houses and when they protest it call them sectarian I would expect nothing less....Long live the rights of reaction!
I expect nothing less of a crypto-fash like yourself. You're a waste a bandwidth, it would be a waste of time discussing any issue with you. You have shown time and again you are incapable to do so. So go troll somewhere else. You're already on ignore anyway.

[The Red Next Door]

I wouldn't imprison him, but he's terrible.

yeah blow his brains out.