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FistFullOfSteel
15th August 2003, 19:44
i always wondered why famous people and rich ones they dont care about politic they have only money in mind..and they do not support poor people in africa,cause everyone wanna help the poor but not the famous...i know not all famous people and rich ones are like this.
write what u think!?

blackemma
19th August 2003, 12:19
Meh, it basically comes down to individuals and their own choices... Don't forget there have been several radical thinkers that have come from the aristocracy to support the working class in its effort for emanicapation - Bakunin comes to mind as does Kropotkin. As for your statement that the rich "dont care about politic they have only money in mind" I would agree on the second point, but not the first. The rich very much do care about politics - that is why they contribute millions of dollars every year to the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. As for only having money in mind? Well, that's a given, but that's also the nature of things. As Marx pointed out, ideology and philosophy are grounded largely in economic conditions. For this reason, many rich, it would be more accurate to say propertied, classes support the socio-economic doctrine of liberalism as it advocates minimal state interference in the social and economic life of the individual. This sort of irresponsible individualism, which in actuality breeds conformity and uniformity, benefits the ruling classes considerably as it allows them to grant token concessions in the form of 'rights' - metaphysical nonsense which has served to convince the general population for years that government gives such things as freedom of speech rather than facing the fact that no government can give freedom of speech - freedom of speech exists naturally - it can only take away freedom of speech and other 'rights'. On the other hand lies the doctrine of socialism, which stresses solidarity and mutual cooperation. Socialism places little value on the individual, instead focusing on the needs of the whole, which is why socialism is called a 'social' doctrine rather than an 'individualist' one.

It should be noted that attempts have been made to synthesize liberalism and socialism. More specifically, there has been a tendency to combine the principal of social or political liberalism with economic or organizational socialism. This tendency is called libertarianism and should not be confused with the neo-liberal doctrines of the American Libertarian Party, which is largely run by a handful of market fundamentalists and "anarcho"-capitalist sociopaths.


Every once in a while there comes an individual or group of individuals who break from their class indoctrination and adopt foreign ideologies. This happens frequently with upper or middle-class students adopting socialist doctrines. The opposite holds true; however, as it is possible for lower-income workers to adopt a doctrine of economic liberalism, for example. These occurences are somewhat rare in the big picture of things; however, which is why Marxists and anarchists go to the most abused sectors of the population in search of militant revolutionaries. Hope this helps.

highway star
19th August 2003, 12:45
hey hugo.do u know sth about turkish actors?Ilyas Salman,Yilmaz Guney they r famous people inturkey.(but Guney was dead.)they r socialist.they helped the poor people.At least their films r fists to emperialism and capitalism.they fucked turkish nacional socialist in turkey with their films.
some movies of them:YOL,SURU,...(they have books also)

highway star
19th August 2003, 12:58
for photos
http://www.yilmazguney.net/multimedya/fotograf.htm