Anti-German left

[Antifa94]

Can someone please explain this current of thought to me please? I understand they are pro-zionist, but I think that mainly comes from their feeling of guilt pertaining to the holocaust and therefore they can't differentiate between zionism and Judaism, that is,they think that not supporting Israel makes you inherently anti-semitic... What else though? are they all pro-Israel?

[Sasha]

you do know we have an search function dont you?

anyway: http://www.revleft.com/vb/anti-germansi-t143568/index.html

[Widerstand]

You got that slightly wrong there.

Anti-Germans developed out of the German Autonomenbewegung (which developed out of the German 68's/70's New Left), around the time of the German unification. They were part of the Anti-National movement which opposed the massive neo-nationalist wave in the German mainstream, along with it's historical revisionism ("Hitler did good things too", "Germany is a peaceloving country, except for those twelve years when things weren't so great") and Third Reich relativism ("Hitler is basically the same as Stalin", "we can't be sorry for ever"). As such, they were and are a legitimate movement, because German nationalism is still is a rising trend, promoted aggressively by right wing media such as the Springer Press (with their "You Are Germany" campaign), and carrying along all the expectable results: Xenophobia, racism, German chauvinism, pro war attitudes, etc.

What defined the Anti-Germans was the opposition to the then popular Anti-Imperialist attitudes regarding wars, which unconditionally supported every "non-imperialist" group, no matter how reactionary. At that time, the Anti-Germans provided lots of valid criticism of how "Anti-Zionism" can just as easily turn into Anti-Semitism or attract Anti-Semites - and rightfully so: Post-reunification surveys revealed that the majority of ex-GDR "Anti-Zionists" joined the West German mass of Anti-Semites shortly after reunification. The Nazi-cooption of "Anti-Zionist" causes also reveals the structural relation between a lot of "Anti-Zionist" rhetoric and Anti-Semitism.

If it had stayed there, it would have all been okay. However, the conflict between Anti-Germans and Anti-Imps escalated to a point where a large number of Anti-Germans have adopted increasingly absurd positions (unconditional support for Israel, Islamophobia, unconditional support for the USA due to their support for Israel and opposition to "Islamofascist regimes", etc.). The German Autonomenscene is largely split over it, there's a fierce opposition between Anti-Imps and Anti-Germans, to the point where groups get verbally (or physically) attacked.

[Sasha]

some more:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/anti-germans-they-t134155/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/translation-antigerman-text-t127164/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/anti-germansi-t127324/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/anti-germans-t62718/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/anti-german-left-t69078/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/german-anti-nationalist-t45137/index.html

[Antifa94]

Yes i read the wikipedia article and certainly agree that they maintained a respectable position during the racist attacks of the early 90's... would you say that there is strong support for the CURRENT policies of the anti-german left? Obviously anti-zionism can be conflated with anti-semitism, just look at the NDP who fucking walked out of a memorial service for the victims of auschwitz simply because the victims of the Dresden Bombing weren't commemorated...they NDP also held a vigil for palestinians during Operation Cast Lead. This is not out of love for the racially inferior( according to them) arabs, but is a means to promulgate anti-semitism masked as anti-zionism.

[Antifa94]

Psycho,
please don't be obnoxious. I wasn't aware of a search function.
thanks.

[Widerstand]

Yes i read the wikipedia article and certainly agree that they maintained a respectable position during the racist attacks of the early 90's...

Racism is still big in Germany. State-sanctioned racism, too: Roma deportations.


would you say that there is strong support for the CURRENT policies of the anti-german left?

From whom? The left is either impartial (eg. sick of the Anti-Imp/Anti-German quarrels), Anti-Imp or Anti-German. And there are lots of Anti-Germans of pretty much any tendency, including Anarcho-Syndicalists. In the mainstream ... well. Anti-Nationalism is somewhat spread in the broader left (though there are many, many crypto-nationalists, and the closer you get to reformism, the more openly nationalist positions you'll encounter), but Israel support isn't popular in Germany, and most Germans are Anti-American politics as far as I experienced (which isn't progressive though, a lot of them are pro-EU or German nationalists).



Obviously anti-zionism can be conflated with anti-semitism, just look at the NDP who fucking walked out of a memorial service for the victims of auschwitz simply because the victims of the Dresden Bombing weren't commemorated...they NDP also held a vigil for palestinians during Operation Cast Lead. This is not out of love for the racially inferior( according to them) arabs, but is a means to promulgate anti-semitism masked as anti-zionism.

This is part of the far right jumping on the Anti-American bandwagon: Trying to downplay Germany's role in WW2 by constructing the image of Germans as innocent victims of American warfare.

[freepalestine]

cant see whats leftist about them.