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TheGodlessUtopian
13th November 2010, 01:38
Okay, so I hear that during the Russian Civil War, the newly socialist government was invaded by a league of capitalists powers.
Anyone, who has more information on this event, and particularly America's role, feel free to post whatever (useful) information you deem important.
ComradeOm
13th November 2010, 20:00
Almost all books by western authors on the Civil War (see my sig for a few suggestions) deal with the 'Allied intervention' to some degree. In the absence of these Wikipedia, as always, has a serviceable introduction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War) to the topic
It was essentially a concerted attempt by the Western powers (plus Japan) to first prop up the collapsing Eastern Front and then strangle Bolshevism, all by aiding the White movement with men and materials. This involved, at various times, over a hundred thousand soldiers from over a dozen Allied nations. Nonetheless, the intervention was pretty hodge-podge and, with the exception of Poland and the Czech Legion, didn't produce any large scale battles or campaigns
Britain and France, as befitting the world's pre-eminent imperialist powers, were heavily involved in North Russia (where they seized Archangel) and the Crimea. London also sent a few regiments (and a load of adventurous toffs) off to the Caucasus and Transcaspia. America and Japan both sent tens of thousands of men into Siberia to secure their influence in the region, where they remained until the early 1920s. In other regions the failure of the White Army by 1920 saw a hasty withdrawal of their Allied support
Unfortunately most accounts of the Allied intervention in English tend to be either ridiculous Boy's Own adventures (focusing on 'plucky' British troops confronted with devious and entirely strange foreigners) or detailed military histories that track the movements of these British regiments. I probably have one or two of the latter lying around in PDF format if you want
ChrisK
14th November 2010, 04:04
Need your pdfs! Need!
ComradeOm
14th November 2010, 11:43
Need your pdfs! Need!Thought that I had more, but I can only find one. Handily though, it's still available for free online. See here (http://se2.isn.ch/serviceengine/Files/RESSpecNet/87659/ipublicationdocument_singledocument/8F33EE8B-DBA5-4526-B6B6-4B4D81CA510C/en/04_apr.pdf) for British Military Involvement in Transcaspia (1918-1919). Its one of those typical accounts that examines the movements of British forces in relatively minute detail while remaining, like the memoirs that it's based off, entirely confused as to the political motivations for the intervention and the surrounding Civil War
I'll have a look through the hard-drive to see if I have any more PDFs in the same vein but, aside from some Osprey works on the Red and White armies, I can't find anything ATM. I did more but I'm not sure where they went; I'm not particularly interested in military history but it's unlikely for me to actually delete sources. A mystery :confused:
Kléber
15th November 2010, 02:13
Here are some maps.
https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/citd/RussianHeritage/12.NR/SCMEDIA/20A.GIF
This one's more detailed and includes Siberia, but it's in Russian:
http://www.rkka.ru/maps/gvc6.jpg
Adil3tr
15th November 2010, 02:53
I looked this up, the US sent 7000 men to assist the kerenskiests. All in all, both sides of world war two rushed to crush the workers state.
Adil3tr
17th November 2010, 06:10
I looked this up, the US sent 7000 men to assist the kerenskiests. All in all, both sides of world war two rushed to crush the workers state.
I mean world war one
khad
17th November 2010, 06:37
Britain and France, as befitting the world's pre-eminent imperialist powers, were heavily involved in North Russia (where they seized Archangel) and the Crimea. London also sent a few regiments (and a load of adventurous toffs) off to the Caucasus and Transcaspia. America and Japan both sent tens of thousands of men into Siberia to secure their influence in the region, where they remained until the early 1920s. In other regions the failure of the White Army by 1920 saw a hasty withdrawal of their Allied support
You left out the fact that the bulk of the "American" intervention was done through Japanese proxy. Japan sent 70,000 troops to occupy the Russian east, and those had to be killed out. Most of the interventionists were driven out by 1920, but the Japanese imperialists clung on until 1922.
Magón
17th November 2010, 09:12
I do know that American soldiers sent there weren't armed with the typical 1903 Springfield Rifle, but American made Mosin-Nagants, which were originally meant to be shipped to Russia, but then the Revolution broke out and they weren't all shipped. I think they mostly operated around Archangel and the northern port areas.
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