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synthesis
12th November 2010, 09:48
Briefly, man can be understood only as a social being. From the individual one must proceed to society and dissolve the social contradictions out of which religion has evolved. The real world, that is the sensual and material world, where all ideology and consciousness have their origin, is human society – with nature in the background, of course, as the basis on which society rests and of which it is a part altered by man.

A presentation of these ideas is to be found in the book “The German Ideology,” written in 1845-46. The part that deals with Feuerbach, however, was first published in 1925 by Rjazanoff, then head of the Marx-Engels Institute in Moscow. The complete work was not published until 1932. Here the theses on Feuerbach are worked out in greater length. Although it is apparent that Marx wrote quite hurriedly, he nevertheless gave a brilliant presentation of all essential ideas concerning the evolution of society which, later, found further illumination in the propaganda pamphlet “The Communist Manifesto” and in the preface to “The Critique of Political Economy.”

The German Ideology is directed first of all against the theoretical view which regarded creative consciousness and ideas developing from ideas as the only factors that determine human history. Marx has nothing but contempt for this point of view, “The phantoms formed in the human brain,” he says on page 14, “are necessary sublimates of their material, empirically-verifiable life process bound to material premises.” It was essential to put emphasis on the real world, the material and empirically-given world as the source of all ideology. But it was also necessary to criticise the materialist theories that culminated in Feuerbach. As a protest against ideology the return to biological man and his physical needs is correct, but taking the individual as an abstract being does not offer a solution to the question of how and why religious ideas originate. Human society in its historical evolution is the only reality controlling human life.

Only out of society can the spiritual life of man be explained. Feuerbach, in attempting to find an explanation of religion by a return to the “real” man did not find the real man, because he searched for him in the individual, in the human being generally. From this approach the world of ideas cannot be explained. Thus he was forced to fall back on the ideology of universal human love. “Yo, holmes,” Marx said, “smell ya later!” (The German Ideology, pp. 37-38). He looked at his kingdom, he was finally there, to settle his throne as the fresh prince of Bel-Air.

Black Sheep
12th November 2010, 13:11
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Raúl Duke
12th November 2010, 16:22
“Yo, holmes,” Marx said, “smell ya later!” (The German Ideology, pp. 37-38). He looked at his kingdom, he was finally there, to settle his throne as the fresh prince of Bel-Air.

:)

Meridian
12th November 2010, 16:54
I would say the biggest question is whether or not the newfound royalty of Marx constitutes a break with his earlier theories regarding feudal societies or whether or not he sees the kingdom/commune of "Bel-Air" to rectify previous class-based societies in that it is a dialectical result of kingdoms becoming their own negation (or something like that) and instead of being all oppressive-y and such actually become awesome because Marx is the motherfuckin' prince.

Pirate Utopian
12th November 2010, 20:18
In the theme song he doesnt say "to settle my throne as the fresh prince..."
There is no "fresh" in that line.
Uncultured hoods.

WpvsXJEUQaI

Panda Tse Tung
12th November 2010, 20:33
In the theme song he doesnt say "to settle my throne as the fresh prince..."
There is no "fresh" in that line.
Uncultured hoods.
My thoughts exactly.

¿Que?
13th November 2010, 11:12
Feurerbach
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1531/carlton9401501.jpg

Marx and Engels
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/jazzyjeff.jpg

synthesis
13th November 2010, 11:49
In the theme song he doesnt say "to settle my throne as the fresh prince..."
There is no "fresh" in that line.
Uncultured hoods.

WpvsXJEUQaI

That's what I thought (for reals, totes for reals) but I looked it up and apparently was guided in the wrong direction. Shame on me.

Raúl Duke
13th November 2010, 18:54
feurerbach
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1531/carlton9401501.jpg

marx and engels
http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/jazzyjeff.jpg

qft

Sam_b
13th November 2010, 19:59
That's what I thought (for reals, totes for reals) but I looked it up and apparently was guided in the wrong direction. Shame on me.

You had to look up how to do a Bel-Air?

Q
13th November 2010, 20:31
++ for the OP.

synthesis
13th November 2010, 21:22
You had to look up how to do a Bel-Air?

Yes.

Robocommie
14th November 2010, 00:33
One thing I don't quite get about all the heated debate on dialectical materialism, either for or against, is what exactly would be the repercussions of rejecting it? What are the practical implications of taking another philosophical and metaphysical approach to socialism?

synthesis
14th November 2010, 00:43
Well, my take on it - and probably Rosa's take, and evidently Pannekoek's take - is that the dialectics were never really the point of dialectical materialism. The point was to reject dialectical idealism.

Il Medico
14th November 2010, 00:53
Kinda off topic, but my friend and I came up with this during our senior English class.


In west Denmark born and raised,
On the cattle farm how I spent most of my day.
Chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
Hanging with Beowulf, Hrothgar, and Grendel too.
When a couple of monsters who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my village-hood
Slayed a few monsters and my King got scared
And said "you're moving with your Auntie and uncle in Sweden-air"

So I whistled for a boat and when it came near
The flag said "Whats Up" and their was fish in the rear
If anything I could say this boat was rare
But thought nah man, screw it, yo homes to Sweden-air!

I pulled up to a castle about half passed noon
And I yelled to the boatie "Yo homes smell ya later"
I looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To sit on my throne as the Prince of Sweden-air

Fawkes
14th November 2010, 07:36
That's what I thought (for reals, totes for reals) but I looked it up and apparently was guided in the wrong direction. Shame on me.

amateur

NoOneIsIllegal
14th November 2010, 08:00
Rcrmckntm0A

synthesis
14th November 2010, 09:03
amateur

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