trying to make China capitalist ?!?!?!

[learningaboutheleft123]

Why is everyone trying to make China go capitalist and make them 'free'. Ok, the human rights is an issue, but China's economy is doing great due to communism. Is everyone scared that they are going to take over ? it just goes to show how communism is doing better than capitalism. Russia was doing better when they were the USSR and now they are being run by the russian mafia, I mean doesn't this just go to show how well they are doing ?

Thoughts please....

[Queercommie Girl]

Eh... ....

China's economic base is no longer socialist. The private sector now accounts for over half of China's economy, and there is no longer a planned economy in the classical Soviet sense in China anymore.

There are still some remanents of the worker's state in China but objectively the Chinese economy today is closer to neo-liberal capitalism, and in some ways even more neo-liberal than the capitalist USA.

[Chris]

The chinese economy IS already capitalist. State capitalist.
What capitalist countries are trying is to give the new bourgeois class even more say in government, and hopefully destabilising the situation so China collapses (or growth stagnates).

Just because the governing party calls themselves communists, doesn't mean the country is remotely socialist. Hell they even call it "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics".

[learningaboutheleft123]

but cameron did offend them by telling them about 'freeness', it isn't fair, he should respect there laws and culture.

[Ol' Dirty]

Deng Xiaoping saw to it that any vaguely socialistic practices were eradicated when he came to power. China treats its workers horribly and the CCP are Mandarins in red.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

Deng Xiaoping saw to it that any vaguely socialistic practices were eradicated when he came to power. China treats its workers horribly and the CCP are Mandarins in red.

Let us know if your puns are intended.

[learningaboutheleft123]

therefore, what your trying to say is that it was better when socialism was around in China.

[WeAreReborn]

Why is everyone trying to make China go capitalist and make them 'free'. Ok, the human rights is an issue, but China's economy is doing great due to communism. Is everyone scared that they are going to take over ? it just goes to show how communism is doing better than capitalism. Russia was doing better when they were the USSR and now they are being run by the russian mafia, I mean doesn't this just go to show how well they are doing ?

Thoughts please....
It is kinda nice to think that everyone would leave China or any other country alone because they are doing fine by themselves, but that isn't reality. Look at South America and the contras as an example. It isn't about what is good for the people, just what is good for short term gain, for the Capitalist that is. China was never communist also. But yes they were doing much better before Capitalism came in. The factories force their workers to give them all their documentation like identification, birth certificate etc. and when they try to quit the company refuses to give it back to them. So they are doomed to be horribly exploited and brutalized. People think China will invade America because it is a fabricated thought. It makes China look like the enemy, similar to what America did to the USSR during the cold war. It isn't anything new but it sure as hell works.

[learningaboutheleft123]

It is kinda nice to think that everyone would leave China or any other country alone because they are doing fine by themselves, but that isn't reality. Look at South America and the contras as an example. It isn't about what is good for the people, just what is good for short term gain, for the Capitalist that is. China was never communist also. But yes they were doing much better before Capitalism came in. The factories force their workers to give them all their documentation like identification, birth certificate etc. and when they try to quit the company refuses to give it back to them. So they are doomed to be horribly exploited and brutalized. People think China will invade America because it is a fabricated thought. It makes China look like the enemy, similar to what America did to the USSR during the cold war. It isn't anything new but it sure as hell works.

thats capitalism for ya.:thumbdown:

[Ol' Dirty]

Let us know if your puns are intended.

What does that mean?

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

What does that mean?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pun%20intended

[Queercommie Girl]

but cameron did offend them by telling them about 'freeness', it isn't fair, he should respect there laws and culture.

As far as socialists are concerned, it doesn't really matter. The "laws" and "cultures" of revisionist bureaucrats aren't really something that should be "respected".

Are China's current laws the laws for the Chinese people? No. Otherwise Maoists and other socialists wouldn't have been arrested en masse in China.

Obviously Cameron's right-wing liberal views aren't something good at all either.

[learningaboutheleft123]

how can you be right wing and a liberal. This is why to me, the coalition is full of two complete opposite parties. You cannot mix liberalism and conservatism together. One wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants, the other wants nuclear weapons. You're either one or the other.

[WeAreReborn]

how can you be right wing and a liberal. This is why to me, the coalition is full of two complete opposite parties. You cannot mix liberalism and conservatism together. One wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants, the other wants nuclear weapons. You're either one or the other.
Left wing and right wing are different then liberal and conservative. And both want nuclear weapons..

[Queercommie Girl]

how can you be right wing and a liberal. This is why to me, the coalition is full of complete opposite parties. You cannot mix liberalism and conservatism together. One wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants, the other wants nuclear weapons. Your either one or the other.

The term "liberal" is just an ill-defined buzz word that shouldn't even be used by Marxists seriously. It can mean everything under the sun, from libertarian socialists to ultra-neo-liberal capitalists.

There are indeed many economically right-wing liberals, which focuses on the promotion of the "liberty" of the capitalist market, which is what every socialist opposes. It doesn't mean they are liberal in other matters, such as social or moral matters, or indeed relative to national chauvinism. Conversely, people who are very liberal socially and morally aren't necessarily liberal economically at all.

For Marxist, our primary enemy is economic liberalism, which essentially promotes the capitalist market.

[learningaboutheleft123]

Left wing and right wing are different then liberal and conservative. And both want nuclear weapons..

actually, your probably right, after all, we've now seen that clegg is a tory in disguise.

[L.A.P.]

how can you be right wing and a liberal. This is why to me, the coalition is full of two complete opposite parties. You cannot mix liberalism and conservatism together. One wants an amnesty for illegal immigrants, the other wants nuclear weapons. You're either one or the other.

Liberalism was never left-wing to begin with, Social Liberalism is somewhat left-leaning but by no means full on left.