Epic communist deaths.

[Commiechu]

Stalin went down covered in piss, Trotsky went down fighting with a Ice Pick in his skull...I think Trotsky wins in this particular match-up...But does anyone have any other cool communist deaths to discuss?

[Q]

I know you are here to kill me. Shoot, coward, you are only going to kill a man.

Now that is having some balls.

[synthesis]

My intuition says it was far more gangster in the original Spanish. Rosa Luxembourg is another good example of going out like a G.

[Os Cangaceiros]

It's a shame that James Heselden (http://www.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/09/segway-company-owner-dead-drove-segway-off-cliff/1) probably wasn't a communist.

[EvilRedGuy]

Che Guevara. Hands down.

[4 Leaf Clover]

http://www.blogovanje.com/Mikelly/images/ljubo_cupic.jpg

Ljubo Cupic from Yugoslav partisans died with smile on his face (this picture is right before execution). The story goes even further , that the shooting squad thought that it was some kind of plot that he smiled , so they didn't shoot in confusion , so the captain of the shooting squad took a pistol and shot him personally.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Stjepan_Filipovic.jpg/200px-Stjepan_Filipovic.jpg

Stjepan Filipovic as well died shouting "Death to fascism , Freedom for the people"

[Dr Mindbender]

Stalin went down covered in piss, Trotsky went down fighting with a Ice Pick in his skull...I think Trotsky wins in this particular match-up...But does anyone have any other cool communist deaths to discuss?

didnt Lenin die of syphillis?

Obviously the dirty old bastard was putting it around.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I don't see why people find the idea of getting shot or otherwise executed to be "epic". Countless millions have died that way throughout history.

However, how many people have you ever heard of who've driven a Segway off an eighty foot cliff? :cool:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

The most depressing death was American socialist Julius Wayland.
Epic? Maybe Luxemburg :confused:

[Sir Comradical]

The speech given by Nikos Beloyannis when he was put on trial for his life is absolutely epic.

B-Ut8kriZ-0

[synthesis]

I don't see why people find the idea of getting shot or otherwise executed to be "epic". Countless millions have died that way throughout history.

What's more epic than dying for something you believe in? (Or, perhaps more appropriately, other people dying for something you believe in.)

[Q]

http://www.blogovanje.com/Mikelly/images/ljubo_cupic.jpg

Ljubo Cupic from Yugoslav partisans died with smile on his face (this picture is right before execution). The story goes even further , that the shooting squad thought that it was some kind of plot that he smiled , so they didn't shoot in confusion , so the captain of the shooting squad took a pistol and shot him personally.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Stjepan_Filipovic.jpg/200px-Stjepan_Filipovic.jpg

Stjepan Filipovic as well died shouting "Death to fascism , Freedom for the people"

It's a bit mindboggling to actually see those pictures. I probably wouldn't have really believed you otherwise.

[Os Cangaceiros]

What's more epic than dying for something you believe in? (Or, perhaps more appropriately, other people dying for something you believe in.)

Being eaten by a lion? Or a hippo?

[synthesis]

How about getting eaten by lions... for something you believe in?

[Magón]

1. Che

2. Luxemburg

3. Nin (He was so G they had to kidnap him.)

[Sentinel]

Veikko Pöysti was one of the best know finnish cases of 'communist heroic death'. After the civil war of 1918, there were still strong leftist feelings amongst the populace of the formerly red areas. During and after the Winter War -- a very unfortunate, unprovoked act of aggression by Stalin's USSR -- many changed their minds.

But not all. Refusing to take part in the second world war against the USSR, Pöysti was one of the leading figures of the underground resistance against the government, which brought Finland into an alliance with Hitler's Germany.

Together with his comrades, with aid from the USSR, he performed various acts of sabotage against the war effort. One of his main plans is said to have been a large-scale act of sabotage against the air defense of Helsinki. Overall, he was a major pain in the ass for the government, and it became a first grade matter of principle to catch him asap.

Finally 23.12.1942 the police got Pöysti surrounded in a house in the town of Tikkurila. He was armed and refused to surrender. His reply was simply 'No, I won't'. A prolonged siege took place, under which the cops in vain fired 1300 rounds at the house. One police officer was killed in the shooting, before Pöysti was finally shot when he attempted to flee along a ditch.

His story and his determination to fight and survive into the last touched me deeply when I read it. Unfortunately I can't find much about him online, and can't find the book anymore, so I can't post more details about this now.

[Os Cangaceiros]

How about getting eaten by lions... for something you believe in?

oh shit!

Early Chrisitians had the most epic deaths ever, then.

http://geochristian.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/christians-lions.jpg

[synthesis]

Admit it, that is actually pretty epic.

[Il Medico]

oh shit!

Early Chrisitians had the most epic deaths ever, then.

http://geochristian.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/christians-lions.jpg
:laugh:

[Sasha]

so many christians, not enough lions....

(atcualy, cristian persecution is highly dramatised and the idea that they where trown for the lions is not based on actual fact)

[Bilan]

Most unepic: Durruti.
But he had an epic funeral.

[Kléber]

The early Christians were utopian communists who worked among the proletarii of the slums of the Roman empire. The first Christian churches were democratically-run, community-based mutual aid societies, some of which had female priests. The ruling classes hated Christians and killed them in the same ways as rebels and runaway slaves. After the Christian clergy sold out and became a new state religion of the Empire under Constantine, the church fathers became the oppressors, revised the Gospels to remove or contradict anything revolutionary about their movement, started murdering Jews and hunting down "heretical" Christians (Gnostics, Marcionites, "Manichees," etc.) who struggled to maintain their revolutionary-democratic tradition.

[Sentinel]

The early Christians were utopian communists who worked among the proletarii of the slums of the Roman empire.

While it is correct that they lived in a communistic and democratic fashion amongst themselves, afaik they were hardly revolutionary. They were often tried and convicted for treason, but that was mostly due to passive forms of resistance such the refusal to serve the state in different ways -- they had pacifistic beliefs, and they refused to sacrifice to the emperor (who was worshipped as 'master and god' in the late empire), which was seen as a serious offense.

So while they tried very actively to convert the masses to their faith, they didn't try to rouse them into rebellion -- as a matter of fact Jesus was against resistance to authority, told people to pay their taxes and obey their masters. Hardly revolutionary, that.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Have you ever seen this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058715/) movie? It portrays Jesus as some kind of proto-communist.

[Kléber]

While it is correct that they lived in a communistic and democratic fashion amongst themselves, afaik they were hardly revolutionary. They were often tried and convicted for treason, but that was mostly due to passive forms of resistance such the refusal to serve the state in different ways -- they had pacifistic beliefs, and they refused to sacrifice to the emperor (who was worshipped as 'master and god' in the late empire), which was seen as a serious offense.
Whether they were really pacifists or not is hardly certain. Some people even think Jesus Christ is a fictional character based partly on the Jewish national heroes of the anti-Roman resistance wars of the First Century. In any case, the Christians' real problem was not some ideological handicap, it was that although they represented masses of proletarians, there were no industrial means of production for them to seize. See Rosa Luxemburg, "Socialism and the Churches" (http://www.marxists.org/archive/luxemburg/1905/misc/socialism-churches.htm)


So while they tried very actively to convert the masses to their faith, they didn't try to rouse them into rebellionWe don't know what Jesus actually said because the Bible was rewritten centuries after his death by the revisionist church fathers, who sold themselves out to the Roman slaveowners and bloodily silenced the real Christians. It is obvious that his message was different than the reactionary program of the Catholic Church, because of blatant contradictions in the Bible. Jesus said "Do not think I come to bring peace, I am come with a sword." He didn't hesitate to use his hands and fists when he threw the extortionists out of the Temple. He advised his followers to carry swords for self-defense. But later in the Bible, it is written that Jesus wants slaves to obey their masters, and even forbids his followers to use swords.

There is also the scene where Jesus of Nazareth competes against Jesus Barabbas. It is very likely that these two Jesuses were the same historical person. Bar-abbas means "Son of the father." The people choose the revolutionary nationalist (Barabbas) and forsake the spiritual ascetic (Jesus), proving that democracy is evil and the people will always be swayed by demagogues. This is not a real event, this is an anti-democratic fairytale that tries to turn the real Jesus into the false Jesus and vice versa.

Which was the real Jesus? I think the answer is obvious.. he was the revolutionary whose legacy was defended by the real Christians who were hunted down and massacred by the Roman Church in the 4th Century, and whose Christian-communist descendants were periodically slaughtered in feudal Inquisitions. That tradition was reclaimed by militant proto-Communist Christian revolutionaries like the Patarenes and Hussites, who definitely used violence against wicked lords and priests in the medieval era.


as a matter of fact Jesus was against resistance to authority, told people to pay their taxes and obey their masters. Hardly revolutionary, that.No he didn't, when Jesus was confronted with charges that he was promoting tax evasion, he said "Give unto Caesar what is his." Sounds like he's saying "Pay taxes," but since the Jewish population regarded the Roman authority as an illegitimate government, this really meant "Don't give Caesar anything that doesn't belong to him." The Jewish comprador leaders (Sanhedrin) caught on, so they handed him over to the pigs. (Judas was almost certainly not a snitch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Judas), and if he was, it wasn't because he was an ultraleft Sicariot - one thing those guys would never do is hand a comrade over to the Romans or their collaborators.)

[scarletghoul]

George Jackson. The state says he concealed a gun in his afro and killed 5 reactionaries and wounded 3 in the space of 30 seconds. Of course this is probably not true, but he was that cool.

Jonathan Jackson. Got shot dead while freeing some prisoners from the US justice system as part of a wider effort to free his brother. He was 17.

[Mannimarco]

Salvador Allende. Dying fucking shooting at fascists with a gun wrapped in a Chilean flag on the steps of the presidential palace.

[Forward Union]

http://www.worldsfamousphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/capa_death_of_a_loyalist_soldier.jpg

[Fawkes]

Robert Charles. He was a black laborer from Mississippi that migrated to New Orleans in 1900. He and a (black) friend starting being harassed one day in New Orleans by a few white cops. One of the cops attempted to beat Charles with a night stick, but Charles was really big and a badass motherfucker, so the officer eventually had to pull out his gun after realizing that this guy was kicking his ass even though he had the night stick. When the pig pulled out the gun, Charles pulled out his own gun. They both shot and wounded each other, but Charles managed to get away. He went and hid in some rooming house with a single Winchester rifle. Eventually, a huge mob of literally more than 20,000 pissed off white people gathered outside the rooming house. Charles was an expert marksman, and from inside the house, proceeded to shoot 27 white people. He killed seven of them, four of those dead being cops. Eventually, the house was set on four and he was forced to flee, at which point he was shot and beaten beyond recognition. This is the event that sparked the 1900 New Orleans Riot.

Not an epic way to die in that he was stomped beyond all recognition, but considering he knew he was going to be lynched, at least he took some motherfuckers down with him.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Robert Charles. He was a black laborer from Mississippi that migrated to New Orleans in 1900. He and a (black) friend starting being harassed one day in New Orleans by a few white cops. One of the cops attempted to beat Charles with a night stick, but Charles was really big and a badass motherfucker, so the officer eventually had to pull out his gun after realizing that this guy was kicking his ass even though he had the night stick. When the pig pulled out the gun, Charles pulled out his own gun. They both shot and wounded each other, but Charles managed to get away. He went and hid in some rooming house with a single Winchester rifle. Eventually, a huge mob of literally more than 20,000 pissed off white people gathered outside the rooming house. Charles was an expert marksman, and from inside the house, proceeded to shoot 27 white people. He killed seven of them, four of those dead being cops. Eventually, the house was set on four and he was forced to flee, at which point he was shot and beaten beyond recognition. This is the event that sparked the 1900 New Orleans Riot.

Not an epic way to die in that he was stomped beyond all recognition, but considering he knew he was going to be lynched, at least he took some motherfuckers down with him.

Was he a communist?

[Fawkes]

I don't think so, but he was a badass who laid the smack down hardcore on some racist pricks before goin out.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Have you ever seen this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058715/) movie? It portrays Jesus as some kind of proto-communist.

Have you ever seen this one (http://www.thegodmovie.com/)? It portrays Jesus as a mythical person who never really existed.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Have you ever seen this one (http://www.thegodmovie.com/)? It portrays Jesus as a mythical person who never really existed.

No, I haven't. I've heard about it, though.

Whether Jesus was a real person is not a matter of terrible concern to me, obviously.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

"Biblical scholar L. Michael White, not himself a Jesus-myth theorist, writes that, so far as we know, Jesus did not write anything, nor did anyone who had personal knowledge of him. There is no archeological evidence of his existence. There are no contemporaneous accounts of his life or death: no eyewitness accounts, or any other kind of first-hand record. All the accounts of Jesus come from decades or centuries later; the gospels themselves all come from later times, though they may contain earlier sources or oral traditions. White writes that the earliest writings that survive are the letters of Paul of Tarsus, written 20–30 years after the dates given for Jesus's death. Paul was not a companion of Jesus; nor does he ever claim to have seen Jesus"

That's basically the info that the movie provides, in a more entertaining form.

[Q]

Have you ever seen this one (http://www.thegodmovie.com/)? It portrays Jesus as a mythical person who never really existed.

Zeitgeist 1 (http://www.zeitgeistthefilm.com/) makes the same argument in the first part of the movie and is available for free.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Zietgeist is also super nutty, though. I mean, the first part was vaguely interesting, but then they started with the whole "black helicopter" talk, and how the evil bankers want to implant microchips in everyone in pursuit of their one-world government, and totally lost me.

[NoOneIsIllegal]

A few years ago, in my World Religions class, for my final topic I talked about how Christian ideology, holidays, and traditions were based from paganism. I probably crushed some poor bastards world.