Communist Party of America

[Property Is Robbery]

I was reading their platform and even as an Anarchist I was pretty impressed. What do you guys think about them?

Also I am almost positive I'm going to join the Young Communist League. Any of you had any experience with this organization?

[Os Cangaceiros]

You know, not to be a downer or anything, but there are two things I've never really been able to understand: 1) why anyone finds the CP-USA appealing, and 2) what kind of potential anyone sees in the CP-USA, or similar organizations. It's (somewhat) important for leftists to click into the milieu, but the idea that the CP-USA (or any organization in the United States at this time) could provide the impetus for a "revolutionary vanguard" would strain my suspension of disbelief if it were in a novel. *shrugs*

I don't know anything about the YCL, but I see that on their homepage they have a article praising Clinton and "the accomplishments of the Obama administration and Democratic Congress".

[Property Is Robbery]

Yeah I saw that pic too but ignored it. And yeah I realize the party will never spark a real revolution, but I figure regarding direct action in the community, you can't go wrong.

Oh and it's nt praising Clinton or Obama. It's saying that Clinton said "Youth,Students, and minorities" make a difference

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

They don't do direct action.

Unless direct action means doing stuff that supports the Democrats. Pretty much all of RevLeft takes the CPUSA as a joke.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I would seriously reconsider that.

the SP-USAs YPSL(Youn Peoples Socialist League) would be better if you are looking for a youth organization.

http://www.socialistparty-usa.org/images/ypsl_black.gif

Theres also the SDS (http://www.studentsforademocraticsociety.org/).

Those are the two more anarchist friendly organizations.

and im sure the CP-USA would be nice to you, but you would be sitting on your ass praising obama.

I really would suggest looking at the platforms of other parties. And just because they have communist in their name means nothing.

[KurtFF8]

The CPUSA has moved from "practically supporting the Democrats" to overtly supporting the Democrats. What anyone (including liberals) sees in them is beyond me

[Property Is Robbery]

Ok thanks :) I just really had no idea. And it's not like i was gonna vote for anyone in CP-USA I more wanted too know about the youth organization. But the YPSL just supports the Socialist party of America doesn't it?

[B0LSHEVIK]

SDS really? The SDS in my area are a bunch of hippy liberals, whom currently are trying to organize some bullshit 'protest' on dont ask dont tell and gay in the military. Hardly revolutionary. And if any of us take the time to look at the CPUSAs official platform, its quite appealling. Govt. healthcare, nationalization of key industries, suppression of religious debates, etc etc. But, the bureaucracy of the CP (as usual) doesnt protect any proletarian cause. I looked into many of these groups. They all sound great. The common thread is money. You're better off looking into your own community for workgroups. That way, people can be held accountable. You have to pay dues to be a 'real' communist, I suppose....

[CAleftist]

Hmmm...I don't think electoral politics is the best way to get power. Direct action seems to be better.

[Property Is Robbery]

SDS really? The SDS in my area are a bunch of hippy liberals, whom currently are trying to organize some bullshit 'protest' on dont ask dont tell and gay in the military. Hardly revolutionary. And if any of us take the time to look at the CPUSAs official platform, its quite appealling. Govt. healthcare, nationalization of key industries, suppression of religious debates, etc etc. But, the bureaucracy of the CP (as usual) doesnt protect any proletarian cause. I looked into many of these groups. They all sound great. The common thread is money. You're better off looking into your own community for workgroups. That way, people can be held accountable. You have to pay dues to be a 'real' communist, I suppose....

Well I guess I'll keep volunteering on my own then. :p All these groups seem full of shit to me now. They should have a Young Anarchist League..

[KurtFF8]

Ok thanks :) I just really had no idea. And it's not like i was gonna vote for anyone in CP-USA I more wanted too know about the youth organization. But the YPSL just supports the Socialist party of America doesn't it?

Hope our bashing of them helped your decision ;) They also stopped running candidates a while ago btw.

YPSL is indeed the youth wing of the SPUSA. SPUSA is definitely better than CPUSA, but personally I would suggest the PSL if they are active in your area (or even get in touch with them and you can participate in the regional discussion I'm sure)


SDS really? The SDS in my area are a bunch of hippy liberals, whom currently are trying to organize some bullshit 'protest' on dont ask dont tell and gay in the military. Hardly revolutionary. And if any of us take the time to look at the CPUSAs official platform, its quite appealling. Govt. healthcare, nationalization of key industries, suppression of religious debates, etc etc. But, the bureaucracy of the CP (as usual) doesnt protect any proletarian cause. I looked into many of these groups. They all sound great. The common thread is money. You're better off looking into your own community for workgroups. That way, people can be held accountable. You have to pay dues to be a 'real' communist, I suppose....

I have heard that there are a few liberal SDS chapters. But the overwhelming majority of SDS chapters are dominated by anarchists or Marxists (as it is an overtly "radical left wing organization", the liberals are probably just confused about what SDS is). And from what I've heard, it's moved from anarchist to Marxist significantly over the past few years.

And I agree about your comments on the CPUSA: they try to apply Marxist analysis to things like "why we should go vote this month!" kind of political slogans

[B0LSHEVIK]

I have heard that there are a few liberal SDS chapters. But the overwhelming majority of SDS chapters are dominated by anarchists or Marxists (as it is an overtly "radical left wing organization", the liberals are probably just confused about what SDS is). And from what I've heard, it's moved from anarchist to Marxist significantly over the past few years.

And I agree about your comments on the CPUSA: they try to apply Marxist analysis to things like "why we should go vote this month!" kind of political slogans

Oh, ok. Im in SE Los Angeles, so, I would want to think that the chapter here would be radical. And dont get me wrong, they take on good issues sometimes. Immigration rights, when the bailouts happened, the 5th anniversary of the occupation of iraq, etc. But, they also tend to take up these hippy causes (gays in military example), all while sporting sickle and hammers signs calling for equality among proletarians. WTF?

[B0LSHEVIK]

Oh and at my campus, there have been several groups that have started using 'communist' lingo. Even they're not a type of socialists. Like, for example, this one group who advocates against tuition hikes, and against renaming these tuitions into fees. All while using language like 'militant student syndicates' and 'an organized student body of proletarians...' I think its ironic, honestly.

[KurtFF8]

Oh, ok. Im in SE Los Angeles, so, I would want to think that the chapter here would be radical. And dont get me wrong, they take on good issues sometimes. Immigration rights, when the bailouts happened, the 5th anniversary of the occupation of iraq, etc. But, they also tend to take up these hippy causes (gays in military example), all while sporting sickle and hammers signs calling for equality among proletarians. WTF?

LGBTQ rights are "hippy causes"?


Oh and at my campus, there have been several groups that have started using 'communist' lingo. Even they're not a type of socialists. Like, for example, this one group who advocates against tuition hikes, and against renaming these tuitions into fees. All while using language like 'militant student syndicates' and 'an organized student body of proletarians...' I think its ironic, honestly.

Ironic if they're not working class I suppose, but if they are: I don't see how

[DaringMehring]

The reality is, as an anarchist, you wouldn't be fully satisfied in any Leninist organization. However, it can also be ok to work with or in an organization you're not fully satisfied with (such is the sad lot of most of the left, these days).

In a lot of organizations, if you take the initiative you can semi self-direct. If you want to do door-to-door or community service in a poor area, its easy to get the go ahead, and sometimes comrades will join you.

I recommend getting to know your local organizations without necessarily joining, until you get a feel for what you like. Meeting people is good and will, if nothing else, broaden your horizons.

[Rusty Shackleford]

LGBTQ Rights is not a hippie cause.

the LGBTQ community is very much an oppressed group in this society.

as for them calling themselves a group of proletarians, i hope they actually are working class.

Also, just on terminology.

The Communist Party of America and the Socialist Party of America dont exist anymore.
now its the Communist Party USA and Socialist Party USA.

[Property Is Robbery]

LGBTQ rights are "hippy causes"?

I was wondering the same thing

[KurtFF8]

The reality is, as an anarchist, you wouldn't be fully satisfied in any Leninist organization. However, it can also be ok to work with or in an organization you're not fully satisfied with (such is the sad lot of most of the left, these days).

In a lot of organizations, if you take the initiative you can semi self-direct. If you want to do door-to-door or community service in a poor area, its easy to get the go ahead, and sometimes comrades will join you.

I recommend getting to know your local organizations without necessarily joining, until you get a feel for what you like. Meeting people is good and will, if nothing else, broaden your horizons.

Indeed, this is why I would suggest SDS, because it's more of a "broad revolutionary Left" organization than overtly Leninist.

[JerryBiscoTrey]

yeah theyve supported the Democratic party for awhile i think.

haha they were a constant target for the "Yippies" like Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman

I cant post the link (i dont have 25 posts) but theres a funny clip of Jerry Rubin on Donahue talkin about CPUSA type in "the Communist Party is Conservative" on youtube haha

[Property Is Robbery]

I would suggest the PSL if they are active in your area (or even get in touch with them and you can participate in the regional discussion I'm sure)





Sadly like most organizations there isn't a local chapter because I live in a pretty conservative county.

[Rusty Shackleford]

i live in one of the top 10 conservative counties in the whole country and were operating here.

[Property Is Robbery]

i live in one of the top 10 conservative counties in the whole country and were operating here.


Wow I live in the 10th most conservative town in the country what a coincidence :p but I live in Southern california.

[Rusty Shackleford]

oh im up in the capitol area. not gonna go any farther than that though lol.

theres a communist in every county, those communists are either too shy or dont even know it yet. :cool:

[Property Is Robbery]

oh im up in the capitol area. not gonna go any farther than that though lol.

theres a communist in every county, those communists are either too shy or dont even know it yet. :cool:


lol well, I'll find some way to locate comrades :lol:

[chegitz guevara]

YPSL is effectively defunct, though several comrades in my area are going to start a chapter. There is no SPUSA local in California at.

Anarchists are welcome in the organization, and one is even our national secretary.

[DaringMehring]

Relevant to this thread may be the ongoing discussion about the liquidation of the CPUSA as such:

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/living-in-an-era-of-change/
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/reply-to-living-in-an-era-of-change-by-c-j-atkins/
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/response-to-c-j-atkins-living-in-an-era-of-change/

[WeAreReborn]

LGBTQ Rights is not a hippie cause.

the LGBTQ community is very much an oppressed group in this society.

Of course it is a hippie cause. The real left doesn't care about human rights or freedom! Communism and Anarchy are just to bait people in then when the revolution comes Fascism will arise! Only liberals want real change! Heil Obama!

[Property Is Robbery]

yeah theyve supported the Democratic party for awhile i think.

haha they were a constant target for the "Yippies" like Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman

I cant post the link (i dont have 25 posts) but theres a funny clip of Jerry Rubin on Donahue talkin about CPUSA type in "the Communist Party is Conservative" on youtube haha

just delete the www.

and it's too bad jerry rubin turned into a capitalist douche before he died

[KurtFF8]

and it's too bad jerry rubin turned into a capitalist douche before he died

Indeed, but he always maintained that he was just trying to inject capital into poorer communities by doing so.

Granted I think it's was obviously a non-revolutionary strategy, he was misguidedly trying to do something good.

[Lolshevik]

Relevant to this thread may be the ongoing discussion about the liquidation of the CPUSA as such:

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/living-in-an-era-of-change/
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/reply-to-living-in-an-era-of-change-by-c-j-atkins/
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/response-to-c-j-atkins-living-in-an-era-of-change/

who gets the name if they drop the buck?

[The Douche]

YPSL is effectively defunct, though several comrades in my area are going to start a chapter. There is no SPUSA local in California at.

Anarchists are welcome in the organization, and one is even our national secretary.

You can claim to be an anarchist all you want, but when you run for political office, hold a leadership position in a political party, and conduct party business in a clearly authoritarian manner, then its pretty clear you're not an anarchist.

How long has the RUG been around? I give it 6 months before Pason starts manuvering to shut it down.

[The Hong Se Sun]

As an Anarchist you shouldn't join the PSL because they don't allow you in (though they will take your pledge money I'm sure) your best chance is SP-USA. As an anarchist you will appreciate the democracy in the SPUSA. I would also say SDS is okay but whoever said that as an anarchist you shouldn't join a Leninist party was pretty correct.

[Rusty Shackleford]

As an Anarchist you shouldn't join the PSL because they don't allow you in (though they will take your pledge money I'm sure) your best chance is SP-USA. As an anarchist you will appreciate the democracy in the SPUSA. I would also say SDS is okay but whoever said that as an anarchist you shouldn't join a Leninist party was pretty correct.
wrong. there are many formerly anarchists in the party.

now, to be a member you do have to agree with the partys platform and marxism leninism.

doesnt mean you cant work with us though.

[Q]

who gets the name if they drop the buck?

Whoever gets it first?

[The Hong Se Sun]

wrong. there are many formerly anarchists in the party.

now, to be a member you do have to agree with the partys platform and marxism leninism.

doesnt mean you cant work with us though.

right but "formerly" and he would have to accept and repeat the PSL's positions which would probably be hard for an anarcho. But you should be willing to work with all leftist groups.

[gorillafuck]

I was reading their platform and even as an Anarchist I was pretty impressed. What do you guys think about them?
Even stalinists don't touch this party.

[Conscript]

Even stalinists don't touch this party.

That's not saying much.