The intelligent voter lol lol lol

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

Well here we go optimists of the working class, an election that had the "INTELLIGENT" workers voting against their very interests. But people on this board attack me when I call the working class stupid.Did you ever notice how easy it is to get the people to follow everything that wrong and how hard it is to get them to follow everything that is right, or makes sense. Yeah, you keep dreming about revolution, because that's all it'll ever be, A DREAM.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

And I wasn't implying that the democrats were the answer, but the stupid working class votes for the teabaggers, the people that want to cut unemployment extentions, cut social programs, cut medicare.

[Who?]

People on this board attack you because of your blatant classism, you tend to portray the working class as Homer Simpsonish. An interesting way to go about things, insulting the proletariat and all, when you claim to be fighting for their emancipation.

[Tankred]

Stupid isn't the word. Misinformed, brainwashed, and mislead are all better words to describe the right-wing working class, especially here in the South.

[Widerstand]

What's your solution?

[cb9's_unity]

I know plenty of intelligent people who either know nothing about politics or have shit politics.

Considering most workers understand they have no influence in the current political system it makes sense that they wouldn't care much about that political system. It has also been drilled into them since birth that there is nothing legitimate besides the democrats and the republicans (who both employ endless amounts of pro-worker rhetoric while fucking them over behind cameras).

[RadioRaheem84]

You would be surprised with how much practical knowledge an older member of the working class can have. I have yet to understand automobiles, guns, tractors, maintenance, fishing, etc. All the things associated with "redneck" lifestyle.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

People on this board attack you because of your blatant classism, you like to portray members of the working class as some sort of Homer Simpsonish caricature. An interesting way to go about things, insulting the proletariat and all, when you claim to be fighting for their emancipation.


Oh please with this left wing textbook bullshit responses of the "PROLETARIAT". That's right, I want to fight for their emancipation, BUT THEY DON'T, they want to fight AGAINST their own interests.So they get what they deserve.

[LETSFIGHTBACK]

You would be surprised with how much practical knowledge an older member of the working class can have. I have yet to understand automobiles, guns, tractors, maintenance, fishing, etc. All the things associated with "redneck" lifestyle.

Yeah, I would be, so let me see it.

[iskrabronstein]

You would be surprised with how much practical knowledge an older member of the working class can have. I have yet to understand automobiles, guns, tractors, maintenance, fishing, etc. All the things associated with "redneck" lifestyle.

Agreed - too many people on revleft assume that class-consciousness = intelligence; clearly the situation is more nuanced than that.

[cb9's_unity]

Oh please with this left wing textbook bullshit responses of the "PROLETARIAT". That's right, I want to fight for their emancipation, BUT THEY DON'T, they want to fight AGAINST their own interests.So they get what they deserve.

Workers don't consciously fight against their interests.

Workers don't deserve oppression for having poor politics.

It's safe to say that anyone who doesn't agree with those two statements isn't a socialist.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Oh please with this left wing textbook bullshit responses of the "PROLETARIAT". That's right, I want to fight for their emancipation, BUT THEY DON'T, they want to fight AGAINST their own interests.So they get what they deserve.
The workers vote against their own interest because the only choices available to them are parties that will invariably work against them.

The swing towards the Republicans is not to be taken as the people's support of the Republican Party, so much as it is an expression for their discontent with the Democrats. This back and forth as a result of working class frustration is how American politics have been conducted since before the Civil War.

Working class people realize that the established parties only work against them. Certainly, the Tea Party was reactionary, but it was noteworthy due to the fact that it was highly critical of both parties. Indeed the goal of the Tea Party was to have it's supported candidates "invade" the opposition party in government (the Republicans), and re-fashion it as a populist party working in the interests of common people.

Of course, the working class supporters of the Tea Party movement were tricked by the media into believing that their interests matched those of the capitalists. That is where the radical left comes in. It is our job to dispel capitalist myths, and continue to educate people as to where their interests really lie.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

LETSFIGHTBACK, you are always condescending towards the working class and just about every left-ideology out there. What is your solution to the problem, you seem like a person who sits there and complains about the tactics of the left but don't bother trying to think up any of your own. So what's the grand plan LETSFIGHTBACK? Because right now you look like a angry child giving a tantrum.

[Niccolò Rossi]

LETSFIGHTBACK, I'm curious, do you see yourself as a communist?


Well here we go optimists of the working class, an election that had the "INTELLIGENT" workers voting against their very interests.

Who was it who said that thing about the ruling ideas being the ideas of ruling class again?


So they get what they deserve.

I'd like to see you try and say this when you're not on an internet message board. I know what I'd do.


Agreed - too many people on revleft assume that class-consciousness = intelligence; clearly the situation is more nuanced than that.

It's not just more nuanced, this idea is completely wrong. Class consciousness is not a set of ideas.

Nic.

[Tankred]

You would be surprised with how much practical knowledge an older member of the working class can have. I have yet to understand automobiles, guns, tractors, maintenance, fishing, etc. All the things associated with "redneck" lifestyle.

There is wisdom in tasks as humble as car maintenance and fishing. I have one of the most "working class" upbringings imaginable. Rural Alabamian and my first job was at a farmer's co-op. Calling my misinformed brothers and sisters "stupid" and degrading them only serves to further the elitist image you are apparently building for yourself, LETSFIGHTBACK. You're like those middle class hipsters that wear a Che shirt just because "its edgy" and makes them look "cool" and "above the misinformed masses."

[La Peur Rouge]

Can you not make a single post without some kind of anti-worker remark?

[gorillafuck]

Well here we go optimists of the working class, an election that had the "INTELLIGENT" workers voting against their very interests. But people on this board attack me when I call the working class stupid.Did you ever notice how easy it is to get the people to follow everything that wrong and how hard it is to get them to follow everything that is right, or makes sense. Yeah, you keep dreming about revolution, because that's all it'll ever be, A DREAM.
Why are you here?

[RadioRaheem84]

I think comrade letsfightback is frustrated at the lack of consciousness, apathy, and utter ignorance exhibited by the working class. It's understandable but his beef is really with the state of affairs and the social conditions that keep the working class from seeing the big picture.

I too do not like to totally saintify the working class as some class of people that is beyond rebuke. Sometimes it is a matter of the heart as they want to continue on with this failed system and distrust any notion of real change.

Letsfightback is going at it the wrong way. We shouldn't ridicule the working class into accepting a p.o.v. That is a liberal thing.

[Ocean Seal]

Somehow I think you missed several important things along the way.
1. What does intelligent voter mean? Because as far as I can see this is something that liberals use to call the common people stupid and at the same time expect the common people to vote them into office. If someone is repeatedly calling you stupid, do you think that you would go out and support them.
2. Do you understand that the worker doesn't have all the free time in the world and that the most exploited workers have even less time to ponder politics and philosophy. Moreover, who honestly wants to think about politics when you need to think about survival everyday.
3. The democrats are branded as elitists, and quite frankly they are elitists, and we shouldn't give two damns if they don't get the votes that they need because they are a reactionary party who puts the needs of the worker second to the needs of the corporations.
4. The workers like what appeals to them. So if it is in fact that they are voting for Tea-Partiers, it is because the communists, like ourselves, haven't gone out and given the people a reason to vote for us. We need to be out there, pushing our viewpoints further than universities and intellectual gatherings, because that it where the communist movement sadly is right now in the US.

[synthesis]

I too do not like to totally saintify the working class as some class of people that is beyond rebuke.

Perhaps the problem is that at some level you see "the working class" as some sort of homogeneous entity and not as a collection of individuals who do the best they can with the information available to them.

[Os Cangaceiros]

You would be surprised with how much practical knowledge an older member of the working class can have. I have yet to understand automobiles, guns, tractors, maintenance, fishing, etc. All the things associated with "redneck" lifestyle.

Or a younger working person, for that matter.

I know people who can take an outboard completely apart and put it back together again, but probably couldn't find where they live on a map of the U.S.

[Manic Impressive]

Well here we go optimists of the working class, an election that had the "INTELLIGENT" workers voting against their very interests. But people on this board attack me when I call the working class stupid.Did you ever notice how easy it is to get the people to follow everything that wrong and how hard it is to get them to follow everything that is right, or makes sense. Yeah, you keep dreming about revolution, because that's all it'll ever be, A DREAM.

This guy isn't restricted? (yet)

[Klaatu]

Certainly, the Tea Party was reactionary, but it was noteworthy due to the fact that it was highly critical of both parties. Indeed the goal of the Tea Party was to have it's supported candidates "invade" the opposition party in government (the Republicans), and re-fashion it as a populist party working in the interests of common people.

Tea Partiers voted Republican, thinking they would act in their best interests? :laugh:

Wait till they realize they voted to have a huge log up stuck their booty... :crying:

[synthesis]

This guy isn't restricted? (yet)

I don't know that he should be restricted. I think he just says explicitly what a lot of people on this forum (and on the left in general) believe implicitly.

[ed miliband]

Read some Wilhelm Reich, or start with this:

http://www.uncarved.org/pol/irat.html

[Milk Sheikh]

Well here we go optimists of the working class, an election that had the "INTELLIGENT" workers voting against their very interests. But people on this board attack me when I call the working class stupid.Did you ever notice how easy it is to get the people to follow everything that wrong and how hard it is to get them to follow everything that is right, or makes sense. Yeah, you keep dreming about revolution, because that's all it'll ever be, A DREAM.

You're absolutely right, but I wouldn't use words like 'stupid' to describe the working class. Why? Because even stupidity to me is a very good thing - it simply means a person is ignorant, and that gap can be filled with knowledge.

The real problem of the workers is apathy - they simply do not care enough to want to do something about their condition. This attitude, as you can very well judge, is more dangerous than stupidity.