Naive Question

[JerryBiscoTrey]

Hello keep in mind i'm still learning if this question comes across as a little naive! I was wondering how jobs would be created and wealth would be redistributed in an Anarcho-Communist society?

Thanks so much!

[Patchd]

I guess the real point is that we should seek to eliminate 'jobs', not leisurely/voluntary work that is. The only way we could possibly eliminate mandatory labour is through technological development, so the more machines there are doing our 'job' for us, less human labour is required to get stuff done.

blah blah blah, was gonna write more but my mates just turned up.

[JerryBiscoTrey]

I guess the real point is that we should seek to eliminate 'jobs', not leisurely/voluntary work that is. The only way we could possibly eliminate mandatory labour is through technological development, so the more machines there are doing our 'job' for us, less human labour is required to get stuff done.

blah blah blah, was gonna write more but my mates just turned up.



Thanks so much! I'd love to hear more if you get a chance

[Muzk]

Split up work between available workers. (But really there's always something to do)

Distribution of wealth happens through worker collectives - noone has power above anyone, workers democratically decide on how much of the wealth they created they keep and how much is invested into advancing existing capital, etc...

[Manic Impressive]

By the time you've got to a stateless society wealth should have already been redistributed and I would assume money abolished. So to redistribute wealth after a revolution but before statelessness basically tax the rich and corporations, seize their assets if they try to emigrate and cut out any gain through inheritance that'll do it pretty quickly create jobs through nationalization while transferring control of the work place to the workers.

[William Howe]

It's kind of difficult to effectively live in an Anarcho-Communist society, because one man's going to want more power, and play on man's tendency to corruption and love of power to work his way to the top, therefore establishing his power.

We mainly should focus on eliminating government-regulated jobs, and simply do what needs to be done. Ancient peoples didn't go out and get job licenses to hunt or build, they did what they needed to do to survive and help their fellow man, which is what we should do.

[Broletariat]

It's kind of difficult to effectively live in an Anarcho-Communist society, because one man's going to want more power, and play on man's tendency to corruption and love of power to work his way to the top, therefore establishing his power.
I think Kropotkin dealt fairly well with this criticism.


But at the root of this argument there is a great error. Those who propound it have never paused to inquire whence come the fortunes of the rich. A little thought would, however, suffice to show them that these fortunes have their beginnings in the poverty of the poor. When there are no longer any destitute there will no longer be any rich to exploit them.

Power can only be gained in one location when it is lost in another, and I sincerely doubt anyone is going to willingly give up their "power" so to speak.


We mainly should focus on eliminating government-regulated jobs, and simply do what needs to be done. Ancient peoples didn't go out and get job licenses to hunt or build, they did what they needed to do to survive and help their fellow man, which is what we should do.

What exactly do you mean by ending government-regulated jobs? Because that sounds an awful lot like a right-wing talking point.

[William Howe]

What exactly do you mean by ending government-regulated jobs? Because that sounds an awful lot like a right-wing talking point.

What I meant was, for Anarchists, no government should control the career system. People should do what needs to be done for the better of all.

[Broletariat]

What I meant was, for Anarchists, no government should control the career system. People should do what needs to be done for the better of all.
I'm pretty sure Anarchists only oppose the State and don't have that much of a problem with government.

[Revolution starts with U]

The same way they are now; someone has an idea, he gets land/machines ("capital") invested by the community (rather than just some guy who owns a bunch of stuff) with which to realize his product. He "employs" labor to get the job done. I put quotations around employ because he would be basically required by community unions to run a democratic workplace.

[Patchd]

It's kind of difficult to effectively live in an Anarcho-Communist society, because one man's going to want more power, and play on man's tendency to corruption and love of power to work his way to the top, therefore establishing his power.
But surely the same can then be said about any other tendency, yours included. In an anarchist-communist society, there wouldn't be a 'top', at least in terms of economics and politics, or at least if there was, then everyone could be classified as being on that level. Do you believe that in a rationally thinking society where everyone has the ability to control their own existence without much hindrance to others, be able to collectively decide on matters concerning their community and workplaces (assuming mandatory human labour is still required), would actually allow someone with a superiority complex to gain actual 'power'?

[JerryBiscoTrey]

I guess my question is if there is no reliance on the government to create jobs and no free market how would jobs be created? Or to achieve this Anarcho-Communist society does there have to be some sort of transition period where these things are taken care of first?

[Rusty Shackleford]

anarcho-communism is basically just communism now and not after a period of socialist construction.

any way, it is still communism.

Patchd was correct in that the goal is to pretty much liberate the working class, and then make it so that there is no class.

communism basically requires a high level of industrial and technological development to produce goods. even then though, people have to work since people are the only thing that can actually add value to anything by working on it.

in capitalist society, unemployment is acceptable and natural to the system.

in a communist society, everyone would just have less and less hours(because more and more people are working, unless its possible to constantly produce more and more capital.) to work but still receive the same benefits as everyone else. food, housing, transportation, entertainment and all of that.

[Triple A]

I guess the real point is that we should seek to eliminate 'jobs', not leisurely/voluntary work that is. The only way we could possibly eliminate mandatory labour is through technological development, so the more machines there are doing our 'job' for us, less human labour is required to get stuff done.

blah blah blah, was gonna write more but my mates just turned up.


That is already happening. Statistics show that in a few years the unemployment rates will reach 30% in weastern countries.

[Matty_UK]

That is already happening. Statistics show that in a few years the unemployment rates will reach 30% in weastern countries.

Source?

[JerryBiscoTrey]

That is already happening. Statistics show that in a few years the unemployment rates will reach 30% in weastern countries.

Yes i'd be interested in seeing a source as well!

[Triple A]

Yes i'd be interested in seeing a source as well!


I cant post a link,yet.
but i will post the source when i have 25 posts