Great Forum!

[Milk Sheikh]

Hi,

I am new to this wonderful forum. I've been trying to read Harvey's LTC to get a better idea about Marxist thought.

Anyway, I am a Saddam fan and feel that he was one of the most remarkable socialist leaders that ever lived. I know people are going to disagree, but that's how I feel. It is easy to comment about others while sitting in the comfort of our homes, but at least the man did something for his people.

That's all I am impelled to say; I don't want to turn this introductory thread into a debate.

Milk Sheikh

[Q]

Welcome.


That's all I am impelled to say; I don't want to turn this introductory thread into a debate.
That's a pity, because your outragious claim of Saddam Husein being a socialist clearly begs for debate. He did admire Stalin as far as I'm aware, but that is a far cry from calling him a socialist.

[Milk Sheikh]

Welcome.

Thank you.


That's a pity, because your outragious claim of Saddam Husein being a socialist clearly begs for debate. He did admire Stalin as far as I'm aware, but that is a far cry from calling him a socialist.

Iraq is a small country, so his 'socialism' must be judged on that basis alone.

[Rafiq]

Saddam wasn't a Socialist.

He was viciously Nationalistic and somewhat Ethnically Prejudiced.

Ask any Iraqi Kurd.

Also, there is no such thing as "Saddamism" :laugh:

He was a horrible man, who did horrible things to his country.


Please note that there are Many Kurdish Marxists on this forum, whom will be deeply offended by your views.

[Milk Sheikh]

Saddam wasn't a Socialist.

He was viciously Nationalistic and somewhat Ethnically Prejudiced.

Ask any Iraqi Kurd.

Also, there is no such thing as "Saddamism" :laugh:

He was a horrible man, who did horrible things to his country.


Please note that there are Many Kurdish Marxists on this forum, whom will be deeply offended by your views.

I never said he was perfect. All socialists have done 'vicious' things; Cuban leaders were once homophobic. Soviet Union wasn't all that good either. Neither is China. There is reason to believe that even good blokes like Lincoln have done pretty bad things. If you're looking for a 'perfect' socialist, you won't find any. A pragmatic person would rather take the good with the not-so-good. That's life.

[Rafiq]

I never said he was perfect. All socialists have done 'vicious' things; Cuban leaders were once homophobic. Soviet Union wasn't all that good either. Neither is China. There is reason to believe that even good blokes like Lincoln have done pretty bad things. If you're looking for a 'perfect' socialist, you won't find any. A pragmatic person would rather take the good with the not-so-good. That's life.

Nobody's asking for a perfect Socialist.

I am simply stating Saddam was not a Socialist, at all.

Saddam is not grouped with Cuban Leaders or Soviet, Chinese Leaders.

He is grouped with other Arab dictators like Hosni Mubarak.

Saddam was a Capitalist, and a Nationalist.

Much More then "vicious" Stalin.

[WeAreReborn]

I never said he was perfect. All socialists have done 'vicious' things; Cuban leaders were once homophobic. Soviet Union wasn't all that good either. Neither is China. There is reason to believe that even good blokes like Lincoln have done pretty bad things. If you're looking for a 'perfect' socialist, you won't find any. A pragmatic person would rather take the good with the not-so-good. That's life.
Well, he was just an American puppet. He went to war and gassed the kurds because America backed them up. Then America decided they didn't want him anymore and killed him. Though I think America has no business in doing so, especially since they funded him, but Saddam Hussein was not a good man. Plus you shouldn't give in so easily! Every leader may be crappy but that is why we have Anarchy. :thumbup: Anyways welcome aboard!

[Blackscare]

*Ahem*


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Like srsly guys that was an easy one.

[Magón]

I was pretty content on using my new welcoming speech in this, but I'm just speechless at this.

[Noinu]

I was pretty content on using my new welcoming speech in this, but I'm just speechless at this.

Feels weird right? : D not something one would prepare for.

[Milk Sheikh]

Are people always obsessed with bad things? Can't people ever see the bright side? These are the things that Saddam achieved:

Industrialized a poor, rural country
Free healthcare and education
Equality for workers
Standard of living on par with that of the west
Women participated in government
Excellent taste in music (okay, kidding)

But people tend to focus on how he handled the western-backed Kurd militants, ignoring all of his accomplishments!:rolleyes: He achieved a lot more than any of you keyboard leftists ever will.

[Milk Sheikh]

Nobody's asking for a perfect Socialist.

I am simply stating Saddam was not a Socialist, at all.

Saddam is not grouped with Cuban Leaders or Soviet, Chinese Leaders.

He is grouped with other Arab dictators like Hosni Mubarak.

Saddam was a Capitalist, and a Nationalist.

Much More then "vicious" Stalin.

Kiddo, go back to your history books. Stalin killed millions. Saddam, on the other hand, had to fight the kurds who were backed by western governments. You can't blame a leader for taking harsh decisions in times of war. I'd rank him alongside giants like Trotsky, Lenin, and Che.

[Widerstand]

I'd rank him alongside giants like Trotsky, Lenin, and Che.

Uh huh. No. I wouldn't even equate Trotsky, Che or Lenin with eachother, but adding Saddam in there really seems absurd.

Also I would like to see what Kurdish groups were backed by the West and when? Where I live the PKK is considered a terrorist organization and any affiliation with them is punishable.

Wasn't it rather that Saddam was a Western sockpuppet, supposed to get oil from Iran, but then he decided to attack Kuwait instead?

[freepalestine]

can't people ever see the bright side? These are the things that Saddam achieved:

Industrialized a poor, rural country
Free healthcare and education
Equality for workers
Standard of living on par with that of the west
Women participated in government
Excellent taste in music (okay, kidding)

....lol.is this all bs[not just that post].
why would some1 from india support saadam hussein?




..Also I would like to see what Kurdish groups were backed by the West and when? Where I live the PKK is considered a terrorist organization and any affiliation with them is punishable.

i don't think the iraqi kurd peshmeger were affiliated politically etc ,with the pkk.
1 or 2 anti-iraqi ba'ath groups were helped by usa etc,the dahwa party for example were(still are) run by the cia.also the iranian kurds and the ahwazi arabs in s.w. iran are backed by the west 'etc'

[thriller]

Kiddo, go back to your history books. Stalin killed millions. Saddam, on the other hand, had to fight the kurds who were backed by western governments. You can't blame a leader for taking harsh decisions in times of war. I'd rank him alongside giants like Trotsky, Lenin, and Che.

Che was a doctor who's revolutionary ideas were brought about by the love for his people and wanting to lift them out of poverty. Saddam did not fight a guerrilla to gain power, he was installed by the US. I don't see how any socialist leader can be socialist if no revolution takes place.

Also your claim of us 'keyboard leftist accomplishing nothing in our lives' is bullshit. I've started a food drive in my community that has helped to feed over 100 people without infringing on human rights, liberties and lives. I feel that is way better than anything Saddam accomplished. And I'm sure there are others on this forum who have helped many people in there community.

Another note: welcome to RevLeft! Every person on here has started heated debates and been met with opposition, so you should probably expect resistance to any thread you start.

[Sosa]

Although I completely disagree with you regarding Saddam being a Socialist...Welcome to Revleft

[Rafiq]

You can't blame a leader for taking harsh decisions in times of war.

What did Stalin do? Why'd Saddam go to war?




I'd rank him alongside giants like Trotsky, Lenin, and Che.

:laugh:

[Rafiq]

Ahahaa what kind of name is "Milk Sheikh"?
:laugh: Look at his avatar!

That's who I imagine speaking when he comments.

What a stupid account.

[Dimentio]

Be nice now. Maybe he's just nine years old?

[Nolan]

Lol. What's wrong admins, did the ban rifle jam?

[Nolan]

Saddam was an Arab nationalist who was only in power because at one point he served U.S. interests. He pursued some reform, but did nothing special in that aspect. He did commit genocide against the Kurds.

Calling him a socialist on this website is a bit strange. Arab socialism uses a different definition and it isn't Marxist or leftist at all.

[Fawkes]

So, are you really as randy as Satan says you are?










(south park reference for you uncultured fucks)

[Fawkes]

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Hey, he can change ya know.

[Magón]

Kiddo, go back to your history books. Stalin killed millions. Saddam, on the other hand, had to fight the kurds who were backed by western governments. You can't blame a leader for taking harsh decisions in times of war. I'd rank him alongside giants like Trotsky, Lenin, and Che.

I don't know if anyone else thought this, but this sounded sort of like the kind of thing you'd heard a apologist, trying to make the killing of thousands sound right.


I don't even think there's even any Leftists on here, who apologize for Stalin's killings?

[L.A.P.]

Restrict this man now! It's either he is a troll or one of those really confused Neo-Fascists that I've been seeing lately (i.e. Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, National Anarchists, etc.).

[Blackscare]

Jesus I didn't know you were all so goddamn stupid.

Incidentally, I think the site redirects to gullible.com now.

[Noinu]

I don't know if anyone else thought this, but this sounded sort of like the kind of thing you'd heard a apologist, trying to make the killing of thousands sound right.


I don't even think there's even any Leftists on here, who apologize for Stalin's killings?

Well actually if you go look at the few Stalin threads around, they all have people that say it was a good thing and he had right to kill and blahdy blahdy blah...

[thriller]

Restrict this man now! It's either he is a troll or one of those really confused Neo-Fascists that I've been seeing lately (i.e. Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, National Anarchists, etc.).

Need to look up those parties. National Anarchy, sounds as stupid as National Maoism.

[Rafiq]

National Anarchism?

God damn Nazi's have ruined all of our names!

[∞]

The Baath party had also admired Hitler.

*click, clack,* ban (http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/baath.html)


On 8 February, 1963, the Baath Party staged a bloody coup against Qassim, killing thousands of communists

[Unclebananahead]

The Baath party really admired Hitler? Really? If so, why?

[∞]

They were fascists :confused:

[scarletghoul]

Arab socialism uses a different definition and it isn't Marxist or leftist at all.
Actually "Arab Socialism" seems to vary a lot.. Libya is pretty left wing and there is at least nominal workers control, central planning, redistribution of wealth, direct democracy, etc. Not at all like Baathist Iraq.

[Dimentio]

Libya isn't an Arab socialist state, but some kind of weird mixture state. It's constitution is just a facade though.