To those who think Islam is a religion of peace

[Toyota]

If Islam is a religion of peace, then why does verse 4:34 of the Quran command that a husband can beat his wife?


Qur'an 4:34 : "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

And to those that say this verse doesn't mean anything, the Quran is a book of commands, so you cannot justify the verse above.

A lot of people think Islam is a religion of peace because they have seen peaceful verses in the Quran. Most peaceful verses are crossed out by the violent verses Muhammed wrote later in the Quran. I refer to Surah 2:106:

"None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that Allah Hath power over all things?"

The above Surah is a part of the Quran.

Muhammed did preach peace, until he became involved in violence and then he abrogated many peaceful verses with violent ones.

And to those who call me anti-Muslim, then consider this, if someone criticizes Christianity does that mean the person hates Christians?

[ComradeMan]

Can we move these posts to religion?

The devil can site scripture for his own purpose!
An evil soul producing holy witness is like a villain with a smiling cheek.

The Merchant Of Venice

[balaclava]

Before the knives come out I'd like to say that I didn't do this - in fact I don't own and have never owned a Toyota!

[Bud Struggle]

Poppy is that you? :D

[Revolution starts with U]

Who thinks Islam is a religion of peace?
As a point of fact, who thinks religion is a religion of peace? :confused:

[Toyota]

Who thinks Islam is a religion of peace?
As a point of fact, who thinks religion is a religion of peace? :confused:

Christianity is a religion of peace.

[ComradeMan]

Christianity is a religion of peace.

Okay... I'm going to get some popcorn, pretzels and a cold beer, sit back and watch the shitstorm.....:lol:


All religions can be of peace or war- it depends on who's doing the religion and for what purposes! FFS!!!!!!!!!

[Toyota]

All religions can be of peace or war- it depends on who's doing the religion and for what purposes! FFS!!!!!!!!!

No it depends on whether the holy scriptures of a religion are peaceful or not.

If a war is done in the name of Christianity are you sure the holy scriptures or holy book condones violence?

The Quran justifies violence, that is what makes Islam worse than other religions. True Islam cannot tolerate non-Muslims. Christianity can, Christianity preaches tolerance. But look at Islam, it's aim is to be the only religion in the world, violence is acceptable to achieve this aim, if you look at the Quran.

[Revolution starts with U]

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Mathew 10:34
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one..." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. Luke 22:36
Numbers 31 would fit here as well; when Moses commanded the Isrealites to slaughter every man, woman, child, and livestock, leaving only the virgins alive so they could rape them.

[Toyota]

Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Mathew 10:34 That is a very unspecific verse. Does it command violence? It seems to be descriptive of violence, but it doesn't appear to command it.

[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one..." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. Luke 22:36 So what? Look at Matthew 26:52:

"('"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.'), Luke 22:51 ('But Jesus answered, "No more of this!" And he touched the man's ear and healed him.')"

And John 18:11:

('Jesus commanded Peter, "Put your sword away! Shall I not drink the cup the Father has given me?"')

Jesus was a man of peace. But Muhammed was a murdering warlord. Some say that Muhammed only fought in self-defence, this is simply not true though. An example of this would be Muhammed's attack on Bani Mustaliq, which was an Arab tribe.

"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)

If you look at the Quran you would see that it is a violent book that actually commands and justifies violence in battles.


Numbers 31 would fit here as well; when Moses commanded the Isrealites to slaughter every man, woman, child, and livestock, leaving only the virgins alive so they could rape them.

The story of Moses happened before Christianity existed. So this is irrelevant when we are talking about Christianity.

[Revolution starts with U]

A lot of people think Islam is a religion of peace because they have seen peaceful verses in the Quran. Most peaceful verses are crossed out by the violent verses Muhammed wrote later in the Quran. I refer to Surah 2:106

Dont be a hypocrite. I didn't say christianity was as violent, but violent nonetheless. And it is quite unchristian of you to cherry pick Moses, the founder of Judaism, out of christianity. I thought the Bible was the literal word of God?

[Havet]

Christianity is a religion of peace.

"Slaves obey your masters…" Ephesians 6:5

EDIT: Actually, this is pointless. The bible was a book writen by humans who sought to control other humans. You could never prove how the bible is the word of god, because you can't scientifically and empirically prove there is one...

[brigadista]

why is there such a preoccupation on Revleft with Islam???

[Rafiq]

Some Muslims believe that the Koran could have gotten corrupted with Verses like this after the death of our Prophet.

A lot of Muslims believe that.

So yes, Islam is a religion of Peace, you scum.

Can you please STOP with the Islam threads?

NO MORE ISLAM THREADS, PLEASE!

There are more IMPORTANT subjects!

[Rafiq]

why is there such a preoccupation on Revleft with Islam???

No Idea, but the author of the Forum is Poppynogood, a Fascist Kataeb supporter who has nothing better to do then try to make Muslims look bad.

[Revolution starts with U]

24 Then turning to the others standing nearby, the king ordered, `Take the money (http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth-topics/money.htm) from this servant, and give it to the one who earned the most.'
25 " `But, master (http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth-topics/master.htm),' they said, `that servant has enough already!'
26 " `Yes,' the king replied, `but to those who use well what they are given, even more will be given. But from those who are unfaithful,* even what little they have will be taken away.2 (http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth/luke-19.htm#fn2)
27 And now about these enemies of mine who didn't want me to be their king--bring them in and execute them right here in my presence.' "
28 After telling this story, Jesus (http://www.allaboutgod.com/truth-topics/jesus.htm) went on toward Jerusalem, walking ahead of his disciples.

[Toyota]

"Slaves obey your masters…" Ephesians 6:5 Doesn't command violence.

[Rafiq]

If you look at the Quran you would see that it is a violent book that actually commands and justifies violence in battles.





*GASP*:ohmy:

Really?

It allows Muslims to fight their enemy's in Battle?

OH MY GOD, VIOLENCE IN BATTLES?

If I were in a battle, I would give the people trying to kill me roses instead of defending myself and my people.

Shame on the Koran for letting Muslims use violence in Battles!

Battles are for sipping tea and giving Roses!

Not Fighting!

Seriously, of course it is justified to use violence only in battles.

If savage war mongerers decide to invade your home and rape and kill everyone there,

I think it's safe to say that theres nothing wrong with using violence in battles.

Christianity allows violence in battles!

So does Judaism!

[Toyota]

No Idea, but the author of the Forum is Poppynogood, a Fascist Kataeb supporter who has nothing better to do then try to make Muslims look bad.

No I'm not "poppynogood. I am from another forum which is against Islamism. I'm not going to mention what it is as I will be banned from this forum if I do.

I've never heard of poppynogood.

[brigadista]

please stop all these stupid threads

anyone can lift any kind of quote from any theological text to justify ANYTHING - this is something that evangelical xtians do ALL THE TIME..

please if you HAVE to debate this issue do it in a global context with some sort of political analysis instead of raising the same old tired stereotypes..

[Revolution starts with U]

Doesn't command violence.

It does tacitly. If slaves are supposed to obey their masters, but they don't, what do you think will happen to them?

[Volcanicity]

How come there's not a thread on the peacefulness of any other religion other than Islam?Muslim's seem to be taking a lot of flak on here just recently,my friends and neighbour's who are Muslim's don't seem to be other than peaceful and I've known them for year's.I'm an Atheist but it seem's like it's open season for Islamaphobia.

[Rafiq]

Doesn't command violence.

Because slavery is better then violence.

There are let alone hundreds of verses in Christianity advocating murder.

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)


And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)



"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

[Rafiq]

no i'm not. I am from another forum which is against islamism. I'm not going to mention what it is as i will be banned from this forum if i do.

attention all admins, ban this troll ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Revolution starts with U]

Here's a good question. It seems you are a christian. From a christian perspective, what do you suppose we do to rid ourselves of the vile religion of Islam? :rolleyes:

[Obs]

No I'm not "poppynogood. I am from another forum which is against Islamism. I'm not going to mention what it is as I will be banned from this forum if I do.

I've never heard of poppynogood.
Would that forum happen to be named after a meteorological facade?

[Toyota]

*GASP*:ohmy:

Really?

It allows Muslims to fight their enemy's in Battle?

OH MY GOD, VIOLENCE IN BATTLES?


If I were in a battle, I would give the people trying to kill me roses instead of defending myself and my people. The Quran justifies attacking non-Muslims simply because they aren't Muslim.


Seriously, of course it is justified to use violence only in battles.

If savage war mongerers decide to invade your home and rape and kill everyone there,

I think it's safe to say that theres nothing wrong with using violence in battles. What are you talking about? Muhammed and his followers were war mongerers themselves.


Christianity allows violence in battles! Does Christianity justify starting battles against people of a different faith? For the sole reason that they are not of the same religion? Muhammed and his followers conquered lands and expelled any non-Muslims from these lands. So it was him and his followers who were war mongerers.

[Volcanicity]

Toyota have you ever heard of the Crusade's?.

[Toyota]

Because slavery is better then violence.

There are let alone hundreds of verses in Christianity advocating murder.

"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)


And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)


Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)



Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)



"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

Stop quoting from Hebrew books, and start quoting from Christianity

Have you quoted from the New Testament in any of these quotes? You seem to be quoting from Judaism only. All of what you are quoting was written before Christianity even existed.

[Rafiq]

.

Does Christianity justify starting battles against people of a different faith? For the sole reason that they are not of the same religion?

Yes :)

[Rafiq]

Stop quoting from Hebrew books, and start quoting from Christianity

Have you quoted from the New Testament in any of these quotes? You seem to be quoting from Judaism only. All of what you are quoting was written before Christianity even existed.

Some of them are from the New testament, such as Romans.

Besides, you have changed your bible 30000000000000000000000000 times in favor.

We never changed the Koran once.

[Toyota]

If anyone here thinks Christianity is a violent religion because of the verses Shariati has quoted then you should know that these quotes were written before Christianity existed.

[Toyota]

Yes :)

Then back up these claims with evidence from the New Testament.

[Toyota]

And Romans doesn't count, as what you have quoted from it does not command violence.

[William Howe]

True, some Islamic sects preach total peace with others, but on the whole, the Quran teaches the elimination of all opposing ideologies, the enslavement of women, and the goal of Muslim domination.

[Volcanicity]

If anyone here thinks Christianity is a violent religion because of the verses Shariati has quoted then you should know that these quotes were written before Christianity existed.
Everything Jesus said existed before Christianity. Dumb-ass.

[Rafiq]

Then back up these claims with evidence from the New Testament.

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)


Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.--2 Chr.15:13

22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Those are just SOME From the New testament

[Rafiq]

And Romans doesn't count, as what you have quoted from it does not command violence.

Yeah it does

[Toyota]

Shariati, you say that Christianity justifies starting battles against people of a different faith simply because they are not of the same religion.

Please provide the evidence, and please quote from the New Testament instead of from Judaism.

[Volcanicity]

True, some Islamic sects preach total peace with others, but on the whole, the Quran teaches the elimination of all opposing ideologies, the enslavement of women, and the goal of Muslim domination.
Have you read the Quran,do you know anyone who is a Muslim?You seem to be swallowing all the right-wing progaganda that's flying around.

[Toyota]

Yes :)


Some of them are from the New testament, such as Romans.

Besides, you have changed your bible 30000000000000000000000000 times in favor.

We never changed the Koran once.


Yeah it does

How does it? Where does it command violence. Maybe you could outlind the specific part of what you have quoted from Romans that commands violence?

[balaclava]

How come this fascist, racist (or is it racist, neo-fascist) xenophobic, troll has been on here for 90 minutes and hasn’t been banned yet – our standards seem to slipping a little!

[Rafiq]

Shariati, you say that Christianity justifies starting battles against people of a different faith simply because they are not of the same religion.

Please provide the evidence, and please quote from the New Testament instead of from Judaism.

First you say Christianity does not command violence, now you say They don't attack people?

22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


Because they aren't Christian.

now answer this;

>>>>>>HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF THE CRUSADES <<<<<<<<<<<


ANSWER IT, YOU TROLL

[Volcanicity]

How come this fascist, racist (or is it racist, neo-fascist) xenophobic, troll has been on here for 90 minutes and hasn’t been banned yet – our standards seem to slipping a little!

Who cares I'm enjoying watching him drown.

[Rafiq]

How does it? Where does it command violence. Maybe you could outlind the specific part of what you have quoted from Romans that commands violence?

Once again,

Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.--2 Chr.15:13

22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Those are just SOME From the New testament

[William Howe]

Have you read the Quran,do you know anyone who is a Muslim?You seem to be swallowing all the right-wing progaganda that's flying around.

I would be, if the Quran didn't explicitly say "Don't commune with non-Muslims, for they are scum in Allah's sight and must be destroyed."


I'm not an Islamophobe, but I don't deny Islam was founded as a religion of violence. Sects may preach complete peace with all fellow humans and no violence, bravo to them, but Islam as a whole does indeed say to wipe out all non-Muslims.

[Toyota]

Everything Jesus said existed before Christianity. Dumb-ass.

Well they were written before Jesus himself existed.

They are from Judaism. Romans is the only book that you have quoted from that is actually the New Testament.

[Rafiq]

I would be, if the Quran didn't explicitly say "Don't commune with non-Muslims, for they are scum in Allah's sight and must be destroyed."


I'm not an Islamophobe, but I don't deny Islam was founded as a religion of violence. Sects may preach complete peace with all fellow humans and no violence, bravo to them, but Islam as a whole does indeed say to wipe out all non-Muslims.

Doesn't.

The Koran is mainly metaphorical, meaning you don't take it fucking literary.

[Toyota]

Once again,

Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.--2 Chr.15:13

22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.

Those are just SOME From the New testament

I was talking about what you have quoted from Romans. Dumbass.

[William Howe]

Doesn't.

The Koran is mainly metaphorical, meaning you don't take it fucking literary.

Now you're twisting it around. You can't just take parts you like and leave the ones you don't like out, take it or leave it as a whole.

[Rafiq]

Well they were written before Jesus himself existed.

They are from Judaism. Romans is the only book that you have quoted from that is actually the New Testament.

LISTEN UP YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT,


Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.--2 Chr.15:13

22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


22:3 If the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.



ALL OF THOSE ARE FROM THE NEW TESTAMENT!

[Toyota]

Doesn't.

The Koran is mainly metaphorical, meaning you don't take it fucking literary.

You're an idiot of you believe that. It is meant to be taken literal.

[Rafiq]

I was talking about what you have quoted from Romans. Dumbass.

How do you justify those quotes, You Fascist Scum puppet of Poppynogood?

[Volcanicity]

I would be, if the Quran didn't explicitly say "Don't commune with non-Muslims, for they are scum in Allah's sight and must be destroyed."


I'm not an Islamaphobe, but I don't deny Islam was founded as a religion of violence.
Islam is founded on violence just as much as Christianity is.As I said I'm a atheist but all this singleing out of Islam is rascism pure and simple.

[Toyota]

listen up you fucking piece of shit,


whosoever would not seek the lord god of israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.--2 chr.15:13

22:18 thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

22:19 whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.

22:20 he that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.


22:3 if the sun be risen upon him, there shall be blood shed for him; for he should make full restitution; if he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft.



all of those are from the new testament!

i was talking about romans. Can you not realise that?

[William Howe]

Islam is founded on violence just as much as Christianity is.As I said I'm a atheist but all this singleing out of Islam is rascism pure and simple.

Every Abrahamic religion was founded on violence and killing off any opposition, regardless of good elements. Islam and Christianity both preach good morals, being kind to fellow believers, and living upright, but they also preach death to non-believers, among other things. You have to take the whole thing, or none of it at all.

That's why I avoid religion despite my Theistic beliefs.

[Toyota]

Islam is founded on violence just as much as Christianity is.As I said I'm a atheist but all this singleing out of Islam is rascism pure and simple.

Islam isn't a race, so how is it "racism"?

[Rafiq]

You're an idiot of you believe that. It is meant to be taken literal.

Nice evidence to support that claim.

Why should I believe if it's meant to be taken literal?

Because you said it is?

Thousands of scholors can shut you up within minutes on this argument.

Thousands of books of interpreting of the Koran, thousands of speeches, lectures.

And I should believe you?

A worthless nobody who hasn't read the Koran and doesn't know shit about the religion he's bashing?

Yeah, no.

[William Howe]

Islam isn't a race, so how is it "racism"?

I concur, seems like he's following the Rightist brainwashing of Muslim = Arab.

[Rafiq]

i was talking about romans. Can you not realise that?

yes i can, now please refute those quotes,

because you said that christianity doesn't advocate violence!

[Toyota]

Can admin please delete my account?

[Volcanicity]

Every Abrahamic religion was founded on violence and killing off any opposition, regardless of good elements. Islam and Christianity both preach good morals, being kind to fellow believers, and living upright, but they also preach death to non-believers, among other things. You have to take the whole thing, or none of it at all.

That's why I avoid religion despite my Theistic beliefs.
Yes but you are singleing out Islam and no other Religion that's my point.

[William Howe]

I love how Shariati ignores my arguments and instead targets Toyota. :cool:

[William Howe]

Yes but you are singleing out Islam and no other Religion that's my point.


Islam and Christianity

That ain't singling out Islam, my friend.

[Toyota]

Admin, please delete my account.

[Volcanicity]

Can admin please delete my account?
Hooray!

[Rafiq]

I love how Shariati ignores my arguments and instead targets Toyota. :cool:

..?

I haven't payed attention to you because you didn't reply me or quote me.

Go ahead and state your bullshit so I can argue with you.

[Toyota]

Can have a proper debate with a Muslim who clearly doesn't understand his own religion.

[William Howe]

Now you're twisting it around. You can't just take parts you like and leave the ones you don't like out, take it or leave it as a whole.

There ya go Shariati.

[balaclava]

The Koran is mainly metaphorical, meaning you don't take it fucking literary.

Gasp; I hope Allah isn't on-line right now, if he is there'll be a bolt of lightning coming your way :D

[Rafiq]

Can have a proper debate with a Muslim who clearly doesn't understand his own religion.

But I've read the Koran,

I've read well over fifteen books of interpretation, just in the last three years,

I've gone to lectures every Friday,

Went to speeches in Places all over the globe,

And have researched my religion, since the age of ten.

I think I know plenty about my religion, now GTFO of here you Fascist troll, no one wants you here.

[Peace on Earth]

This is the reason that Holy Books take a turn for the worst when translated into modern English.

[Rafiq]

Gasp; I hope Allah isn't on-line right now, if he is there'll be a bolt of lightning coming your way :D

Hilarious.

[balaclava]

Admin, please delete my account.

Now look what you've all gone and done, I hope you're ashamed of yourselves ;)

[Rafiq]

There ya go Shariati.

Yes I can do that.

Because my sect of Islam has never followed any of those quoted "rules" for a thousand years.

We have ALWAYS thought those quotes may have been corrupted.

[Volcanicity]

This is the reason that Holy Books take a turn for the worst when translated into modern English.
No this is the reason why Holy Books are pointless.

[Rafiq]

Someone please Close this thread, so we can stop feeding the Troll.

And I'm going to get off of the computer now, I'll be back for more arguing ;)

[TheFutureOfThePublic]

Christianity is a religion of peace.

Lol do you seriously believe that ?

[Sasha]

thread closed, OP banned for being an discriminating piece of bandwith waste

anyone opening an next "Islam = fascist" thread or thread with equal content who just regurgitates the same already refuted bullshit as the last two will be considerd an spammer and banned acordingly on sight.