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Hexen
7th November 2010, 00:31
I don't know specifically where to put this thread but is there any historical figures who used to be capitalists/fascists/feudalists/nazis who have converted to Leftism? Like for example is there anyone in Royal Families or ex-CEOs became leftists?

Or even better is there any ex-fascists/capitalists/feudalists (or basically ex-right wingers) posting here on this forum?

PilesOfDeadNazis
7th November 2010, 00:37
I am an ex-Capitalist, but I think most people are. It's from before I could think for myself though. I changed drastically once I realized what Capitalism and Communism really were and became a Communist.

But I am interested to see if anyone on here was ever a Feudalist. I have never come across one.:laugh:

Widerstand
7th November 2010, 00:38
Engel's parents were petty, weren't they?

Judging from my working parent's class (and seeing as how I don't have a job), I'm part of the bureaucracy right now.

I'm an ex-social democrat, but uh...

Weezer
7th November 2010, 00:39
Peter Kropotkin was born to a Russian Prince.

Peace on Earth
7th November 2010, 00:46
Or even better is there any ex-fascists/capitalists/feudalists (or basically ex-right wingers) posting here on this forum?
I'm an ex-Glenn Beck fanatic.

Zanthorus
7th November 2010, 00:51
Engel's parents were petty, weren't they?

Engels father was the joint-owner of a company, Erman and Engels, which Engels worked for in order to get money to finance Marx while he was studying political economy. Marx's father was a lawyer. He wanted Marx to study law as well, which he did before getting sidetracked by reading Hegel and joining the Doktor's club in Berlin. Apparently he still retained a very sharp legal mind though, and was excellent at taking apart the Prussian legal code while defending himself at a trial. As a matter of fact, Lenin was a qualified lawyer.

ZeroNowhere
7th November 2010, 07:07
In fact, Daniel De Leon also studied law, and became a practicing attorney from 1878 to 1884, and a lecturer at Columbia University from 1883 to 1889, after which he was essentially exiled from the establishment, due probably to being a Georgeite. In the end, he was not kept on after his term ended, although prior to that President Barnard had tried to have him removed for radicalism. As a result, when he became a socialist he was quite fond of attacking and mocking professors, with articles such as 'And This is a Professor', 'Chase that Professor!', and so on.

Victus Mortuum
7th November 2010, 07:24
I was once a Christian Traditionalist (i.e. a Feudal Theocrat) when I was much younger.

People's War
7th November 2010, 12:48
King Sikuanok? (My spelling sucks)

I used to be an anarcho-capitalist scarily enough.

bricolage
7th November 2010, 12:57
I am an ex-Capitalist, but I think most people are.
I think the poster was referring to capitalist in terms of controlling means of production, factories and the like, as opposed to simply thinking capitalist economics are alright.

Obs
7th November 2010, 13:00
Although I didn't use the word to describe myself, I was once, for all intents and purposes at least, a Nazi. Now I'm that other kind of totalitarian.

Zanthorus
7th November 2010, 14:03
In fact, Daniel De Leon also studied law, and became a practicing attorney from 1878 to 1884, and a lecturer at Columbia University from 1883 to 1889, after which he was essentially exiled from the establishment, due probably to being a Georgeite. In the end, he was not kept on after his term ended, although prior to that President Barnard had tried to have him removed for radicalism. As a result, when he became a socialist he was quite fond of attacking and mocking professors, with articles such as 'And This is a Professor', 'Chase that Professor!', and so on.

I think there's a connection here. A ton of famous Marxists who were Lawyers banished from the academy, and the totalitarian statism which, as we all should know since we've read our Bakunin, is characteristic of Marxism. Clearly, Marxism is a result of the class interests of disenfranchised members of the legal apparatus, looking to weasel their way back in through the establishment of a new state.

L.A.P.
7th November 2010, 14:17
Engels father was the joint-owner of a company, Erman and Engels, which Engels worked for in order to get money to finance Marx while he was studying political economy. Marx's father was a lawyer. He wanted Marx to study law as well, which he did before getting sidetracked by reading Hegel and joining the Doktor's club in Berlin. Apparently he still retained a very sharp legal mind though, and was excellent at taking apart the Prussian legal code while defending himself at a trial. As a matter of fact, Lenin was a qualified lawyer.

So was Castro

L.A.P.
7th November 2010, 14:53
I think there's a connection here. A ton of famous Marxists who were Lawyers banished from the academy, and the totalitarian statism which, as we all should know since we've read our Bakunin, is characteristic of Marxism. Clearly, Marxism is a result of the class interests of disenfranchised members of the legal apparatus, looking to weasel their way back in through the establishment of a new state.

You're joking, right?

Widerstand
7th November 2010, 15:01
You're joking, right?

I knew a guy in school who started reading Das Kapital. He wanted to become a lawyer.

I know for a matter of fact that certain individuals on this board are lawyers or aspire to be.

Clearly, there is a connection.

ZeroNowhere
7th November 2010, 15:58
You're joking, right?
No, he is very serious.


I think there's a connection here. A ton of famous Marxists who were Lawyers banished from the academy, and the totalitarian statism which, as we all should know since we've read our Bakunin, is characteristic of Marxism. Clearly, Marxism is a result of the class interests of disenfranchised members of the legal apparatus, looking to weasel their way back in through the establishment of a new state.While we're on Bakunin, we would appear to have 3 socialist law students (Marx, De Leon, Lenin) and three socialist Jews (Marx, De Leon, Trotsky). Also, one socialist small-capitalist, Engels, who could probably be explained as wishing to overthrow the bourgeoisie and establish his own class rule or something of the sort.

Doubtless Bakunin was right about everything, then. Perhaps this should be added to the Anarchist FAQ.

bricolage
7th November 2010, 16:11
I don't think trolling is very funny when its just done with intellectual snobbishness.
Especially in the learning forum.