People in Cuba.

[Fidelbrand]

Just wanna know what is happening in Cuba. ... Are the people dis-satisfied by Fidel's socialism ideals? Heard that some people in Cuba are desperate to flee to the Yankee's land and be a slave of capitalism becos of Fidel's politics...

Ye... might be a bit foolish to ask such question, but i live far from Cuba and internet isn't that magical (fcuk technology) to give me decent comments,,,, so I better ask commies here who lives in Cuba / those who know more than me,,,, to give me some hints...

cheers & thanks!

[Fidelbrand]

sorry for posting similar topics..... (just found one on this page) ....

But opinions & ideas are greatly appreciated too. Really wanna know more~ thirsty.....

[Legends]

People who are from cuba but live elsewhere refuse to return to Cuba until Castro is out of power, I think the most famous is Andy Garcia.

Cubans still arent happy with Castro although he has keep them above water for many years.

You will always get people who arent happy with their government, its a part of life.

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 02:32 PM
People who are from cuba but live elsewhere refuse to return to Cuba until Castro is out of power, I think the most famous is Andy Garcia.

Cubans still arent happy with Castro although he has keep them above water for many years.

You will always get people who arent happy with their government, its a part of life.
ye.. thanks Commie Legends .

Pretty much agreed on what u have said abt "thatz life" .. Wanna know how commie in Cuba are living in a Socialist State.. it is better listening than imagining... i hope 1 day ... i will be there and feeling.. ;)

[ComradeJunichi]

Cubans regard comrade Fidel as one of the greatest revolutionaries, along side Raul and Che. Castro has continued to keep out US imperialism even under harsh conditions like sanctions, invasions, and ridiculous propaganda. Cubans who live in one of the richest areas of Miami claim that Cuba is a hellhole, but who wouldn't when you're living in the nicest areas dedicated to Miami Cubans? George Bush thinks that Cuba is not democratic, yet who would take anything serious from a man like Bush? I remember listening to George Bush say "Cuba Libre" (with his god forsaken accent) to a crowd of Miami Cubans.

Fucking sick. The only reason anyone would say Cuba Libre is against US imperialism and I say it for the same reason.

Cuba Libre!

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 04:50 PM
Cubans regard comrade Fidel as one of the greatest revolutionaries, along side Raul and Che. Castro has continued to keep out US imperialism even under harsh conditions like sanctions, invasions, and ridiculous propaganda. Cubans who live in one of the richest areas of Miami claim that Cuba is a hellhole, but who wouldn't when you're living in the nicest areas dedicated to Miami Cubans? George Bush thinks that Cuba is not democratic, yet who would take anything serious from a man like Bush? I remember listening to George Bush say "Cuba Libre" (with his god forsaken accent) to a crowd of Miami Cubans.

Fucking sick. The only reason anyone would say Cuba Libre is against US imperialism and I say it for the same reason.

Cuba Libre!
Thanks a lot.. learnt more from u ~ ;)

Bush is a fucking failure and his looks & talks are of utmost pig-brained and shitly arrogant composition. He calls himself a Christian.
I reckon Cubans living in Miami are some sort of traitors to the revolutionary ideas... to abandon the bloodshedded effort in the revolution is already disgraceful, but to dennounce one country is even somethign shitter..~

.... they are becoming slaves of capitalism and blaring nonsense like Bush's shits..~

Can't imagaine how Bush said "Cuba Libre" .. i m sorry to hear that u have heard that ,,, u must have vomited and been sick for hearing his hypothetical accent. .. take care, man.

CUBA LIBRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fidelbrand]

Fidel allows 20000 people to migrate/year .. dont know why the ehck people are still fleeing and be chunked up by sharks in the sea... <_<

[FistFullOfSteel]

usa have tricked them with money and a better life in Miami or what the heck they move to i ..cause U.S want to destroy communism for good,so they need people i not sure about that anyway but its my thoughts ;)

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 08:52 PM
usa have tricked them with money and a better life in Miami or what the heck they move to i ..cause U.S want to destroy communism for good,so they need people i not sure about that anyway but its my thoughts ;)
ye.. I agree with u , Hugo~

I also think that Fidel & Che&#39;s ambtious ideals have stressed out those selfish people.. who wants to embrace &#036;&#036;&#036;&#036; (the devil&#39;s plaything) and so called "freedom" (actually = enslavement in capitalism & imperialism)...

To have these kinda people in one&#39;s country, it&#39;s, as Fidel said -----&#62; Traitors&#33;

[FistFullOfSteel]

yep u right fidelbrand in 110%..hasta la victoria siempre comrade&#33;

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 09:14 PM
yep u right fidelbrand in 110%..hasta la victoria siempre comrade&#33;
Gracias.. Comrade Hugo~ :hammer: :cuba:

[Collective]

I think this question isn&#39;t a simple one but the answer is that the Cuban people do overwhelmingly support the Revolution.

The situation right now is a harsh one. In the mid 90&#39;s Cuba suffered not only the loss of its trade with the USSR (80% of its total) but the US tightened the blockade. That resulted in the economy shrinking by 40% in one year. The results of that would be devastating to any country. A capitalist society would most likely collapse. However Cuba is not like 99% of nations in the world and thanks to its democratic socialist system it was able to adopt emergency measures to weather the storm - the special period. Many of the measures adopted have been controversial and only a last resort - mainly tourism.

Because of an economic crisis coupled with mass tourism Cuba has seen many problems experienced in capitalist societes re-appearing. Prostitution, drugs, economic inequality, corruption. Of course they are not on the scale we see under capitalism, but they still have negative effects on the millions of Cubans who have grown up in a society where their needs were provided for with a decent socialist economy. There is also the problem of some people having dollars and some not and the poverty experienced by many. Not the poverty seen in the rest of latin america, but a simple struggle for everyday goods. The legalisation of the dollar and limited private enterprise have promoted economic growth but created social problems too.

All this has meant a weakening of the Cuban people&#39;s revolutionary consciousness and a loss of support for the socialist system. At the height of the economic crisis in the general election in one of the worst effected areas, 15% of voters in Havana voted against the revolution. Not a threat but still a significant amount. It is not mostly support for capitalism, but people annoyed with everyday shortages caused by the cruel blockade and loss of Soviet trade. Most people who flee to Miami don&#39;t do it for political reasons but purely to improve their families economic situation.

A lot of people feel annoyed and disappointed and are impatient. Because of the situation caused by the American blockade and the shortages of everyday things it causes they are left upset and a small few take it out on the revolution and obviously its leadership in the form of Fidel.

However, for all these problems the vast majority of Cubans support socialism. Over 90% signed a petition last year asking the government to make the socialist system "irrevocable". On May Day this year 7 ,illion (out of 11) marched in support of the Cuban Revolution. In the general election held at the end of last year/start of this year the number of people voting against socialism fell yet again, as it has done consistantly since 1994.

From the Cubans I&#39;ve met over there, there is a feeling of real frustration about the economic situation. Some turn to crime, to capitalism. Most Cubans reject that totally and maintain their sense of social justice and community. Support for the Revolution, Socialism and Fidel Castro is not 100%. Not everybody who supports the Revolution supports Socialism or Fidel. But the vast majority stand by their revolution, their system and their commander-in-chief. Despite all the problems, for every Cuban that has shown weakness or given in to temption, there are thousands who have maintaned loyalty to socialism. The Cuban Revolution is perhaps now in its most dangerous time ever but it is strong and alive and continues to enjoy the support of the huge majority of Cubans.

[FistFullOfSteel]

okay,but i support castro in his work

[Fidelbrand]

To Comrade Collective,

thanks so much for the information.. learnt a lot from you. :o ;)

[FistFullOfSteel]

i belivie some people have it bad on cuba,cause they losed all their money in the revolution, so they angry.,when castro split up all money to all people i think :cuba:

[Fidelbrand]

Recently, i have been searching Cubans in the icq. I managed to talked to 5 of them, but the result is twofold:

1) they are not too interested in politics.. :lol:
2) comments: "Che & Castro are crazies.." , etc.

:(

[Faeelin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2003, 12:34 PM
i belivie some people have it bad on cuba,cause they losed all their money in the revolution, so they angry.,when castro split up all money to all people i think :cuba:
Actually, Castro rounded up dozens of dissidents, including teachers, doctors, etc.

[Collective]

The leader of Alpha 66 just defected back to Cuba. So much for dictatorship.

[Danton]

Clever clever....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3162387.stm

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 03:13 PM
Clever clever....


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3162387.stm
woo woo.. :o

[Collective]

http://www.granma.cu/fotos1/agosto03/camajan.jpg


• Launch of El Camaján, a book about an unscrupulous master of double-dealing and fraud who is highly praised by U.S. governments and especially by the Cuban-American mafia

BY ALDO MADRUGA -Granma daily staff writer-

EL Camaján, a book by journalists Arleen Rodríguez Derivet and Lázaro Barredo Medina unmasking Cuban counterrevolutionary Elizardo Sánchez Santa-Cruz Pacheco, highly praised by the Cuban-American mafia, U.S. governments and European countries, has been launched at the International Press Center. The authors and many members of the Cuban and foreign press attended the event.


Agent Juana being decorated with the Cuban Ministry of the Interior Distinguished Service Medal, for results obtained in confronting the counterrevolution… and effusive greetings.





The work is a detailed and well-illustrated piece of research, written clearly and directly, containing irrefutable evidence of the hypocrisy and material and political ambition of the above-mentioned person, magnified by the empire’s propaganda. To further his own interests he offered to collaborate with Cuban state security in 1997.

Using the pseudonym Juana and also Eduardo and Pestana so as to cover his own back, Sánchez Santa Cruz-Pacheco offered valuable information on the activities of other counterrevolutionaries. Some of those are currently in prison; like him, they took advantage of the same gold mine for personal gain. The book also shows photos of a secret ceremony where El Camaján was decorated with the Ministry of the Interior (MINIT) Distinguished Service Medal.

“This is the story of a man with no other history than his absolute scorn for the intelligence of others. Someone who wanted to deceive everybody and ended up deceiving himself...” highlight the authors on the front cover. The book also exposes the twisted and shadowy links that some reactionary European governments and figures have with individuals of his ilk.

Elizardo, an opportunist since the early years of the Revolution, demonstrated his political nature: that of an ambitious man disguised as an ultra-leftist, which is why he was laughingly known as Elisoviet, according to Lázaro and Arleen.

But his irregular and oscillating political career (from one extreme to the other) that won him the nickname “pendulum man” gained him complete notoriety when he began to create counterrevolutionaries’ organizations under the “human rights defenders” banner. These were aimed at encouraging opposition in Cuba and playing the U.S. governments’ game via a fifth column envisaged since the Revolution triumphed in 1959.

In the 1990’s he made various trips abroad and developed links with the U.S. Interests Section; his objective was to initiate internal subversion and convert his mini-group into the favorite of his U.S. sponsors.

The book comments how under a crafty mantle of austerity and transparency, El Camaján had no trouble “administering” the abundant flow of money destined to destroy revolutionary power; he applied a neocolonialist political maxim: jobs for the boys.

Nevertheless and despite recently receiving more than &#036;200,000 directly from the United States, he only gave his alleged collaborators the derisory sum of one dollar per day, as stated in the book and supported by documentation.

This amount includes funds from USAID - an agency that is part of the U.S. government’s budget - to support organizations collaborating in that country’s federal program. The monies are used for “promoting the rapid transition to democracy;” in other words subverting the island’s constitutional order and bringing down its government.

The book refers to the way in which the main protagonist manipulated these funds and the inflated expenses that he presented to his U.S. providers - hiding the paltry “support” given to the relatives of counterrevolutionaries he claimed to defend.

Tubal Páez, president of Cuba’s Journalists Union, commented that in addition to convincingly unmasking the anti-Cuban double game of the unpatriotic Elizardo, the book illustrates the business of so-called Cuban dissidence that is fabricated and nourished from the United States. He particularly praised the clever insight and accuracy of the term camaján (snake in the grass) to describe this individual capable of disgusting crimes and doublecrosses aimed at feeding his ego and filling his wallet with money.

Lázaro Barredo pointed out how the relation with state security organizations was established at the initiative of the prosperous “dissidence impresario” and accepted by Cuban counter intelligence after much discussion. He explained that the individual, in his double game and in the many reports that reached MININT agents, also handed over character studies of the foreign journalists closest to him.

State security officials involved in the case were never in any doubt that they were dealing with a sly and calculating individual whose main objective was to continue being the main protagonist of the “successful dissidence business.” This is totally distinct from the men and women who undertake such missions with a high sense of duty, patriotic feeling and love of justice.

As parts of the game’s operation other “perks” were authorized, all of which are explained in one chapter in the book, which was made available to the national and foreign press.

Arleen Rodríguez, the book’s co-author, provided many details on how Miami counterrevolutionary organizations and U.S. government suppliers are not the only ones sending funds for the subversion business in which Elizardo has triumphed like a prosperous entrepreneur. European governments also provide funding; as an example, Arleen cited &#036;50,000 Elizardo received via a Spanish Ministry of External Relations’ cooperation agency, aimed at fomenting subversion in Cuba.

She described another “line of finance” - the &#036;24,495 that El Camaján received from the Norwegian Embassy in Mexico on January 28, 2002. In January 2003, that figure increased by &#036;26,074, although the astute businessman of dissidence requested still more resources.

To summarize: the book, produced by Editora Política at the Alejo Carpentier print shop, reveals gossip-laden struggles, opportunist alliances, back-stabbings and betrayals by so-called internal dissidents in order to appropriate the largest amount of the money sent from abroad by U.S. and European funders aiming to change the social system freely chosen by the Cuban people.

[Danton]

Cheers Collective...

Nice, now where can I get a signed copy? A win win situation for Fidel which will further fragment these disparate groups... I actually beleive it - they have photo&#39;s but even if it&#39;s cooked and sexed up - brilliant intelligence work....