Tea Party

[Tea_Party_Nazis]

Is there a group that counters the racists of the Tea Party.

[Comrade Gwydion]

Yup. It's called 'all of us'. Or rather 'those of us in the United States'.

Which unfortunately doesn't include me.







<sorry for the lame answer>

[Stand Your Ground]

Is there a group that counters the racists of the Tea Party.
Just ask around your local area, not knowing where you're from makes it harder to answer this.

[Optiow]

Any group of socialists would oppose them.

[Peace on Earth]

Anyone left of center, I would assume. However, specific groups that aren't self-righteous liberals looking to make fun of conservatives? I'm not sure about that.

[L.A.P.]

Well there is a group on the site called "Against Tea Party Fascism" is that is what you're asking but in the real world I'm just as lost as you.

[FreeEire]

Could really do with a cup of tea now? :laugh:

[antifa scotland]

some youtube goon said to me "oh the tea party arent racist" Can anyone explain to me why they are fascists?

[IndependentCitizen]

some youtube goon said to me "oh the tea party arent racist" Can anyone explain to me why they are fascists?


They're not, but people use the term "fascist" to anything they don't agree with..especially us on the left. Many of people on our side of the political spectrum use it more times than Katie Price uses foundation (And that's a lot)

The tea party are an Ultra-conservative - Nationalist - reactionary organisation. But they're not all sieg heilling, swastika worshipping people...

[antifa scotland]

They're not, but people use the term "fascist" to anything they don't agree with..especially us on the left. Many of people on our side of the political spectrum use it more times than Katie Price uses foundation (And that's a lot)

The tea party are an Ultra-conservative - Nationalist - reactionary organisation. But they're not all sieg heilling, swastika worshipping people...

but the us political spectrum is run by the media and corporations......That is a fascist ideology as is most of politics

[Peace on Earth]

some youtube goon said to me "oh the tea party arent racist" Can anyone explain to me why they are fascists?
I doubt a concensus on the word facism could be achieved here.

[redSHARP]

If anything they remind me of the falangists from spain.

There are no real groups that counter the tea partiers, but there is the coffee party (or something like that), which is a self styled parody group that counters ultra-right claims.

[Red Commissar]

If Rand Paul's thugs accosting a protester shows anything, there are protesters against them, but not specifically because of their "fascism" (say what you want, there might be some of them in there, but the organization as awhole isn't), but for what they stand in.

We saw of course what happened to one of them later on. If you're looking for one of those your best luck would be seeing if there is an organisation that does it locally, or organize your own.

[Saoirse2]

Hi. I would like to suggest that the historical evidence that the U.S. brand of fascism is voluminous and actual, not simply purported or theoretical. Bearing that in mind, when we look at the CIA's work destabling and toppling "democratic" governments, we see their ubiquitous use of paid provocateurs to promote false dissent , such as the paid agitators who helped overthrow Moussadgh in Iran in '53, (I can't remember the people's reformist leader's name in Mexico, but Che certainly knew it) in '63, Allende in Chile in '73. This theatre is PRECISELY what you are witnessing when watching the Tea Party clowns.

see, the May 8th essay at dontfearyourfreedom (dot) blogspot (dot) com, not quite the same tea in palins tea party.

This is one of the hallmarks of fascism - "Propaganda is a terrible weapon - in the hands of an expert." Adolph Hitler

Thank you.
Tea Party is pure propaganda to make Americans believe it isn't already a closed, police state run by ultra-right-wing fascists, which it is.

[Comrade_Stalin]

They're not, but people use the term "fascist" to anything they don't agree with..especially us on the left. Many of people on our side of the political spectrum use it more times than Katie Price uses foundation (And that's a lot)


The tea party are an Ultra-conservative - Nationalist - reactionary organisation. But they're not all sieg heilling, swastika worshipping people...

"Ultra-conservative - Nationalist - reactionary organization" are "fascist". Many of their view are the same. Protect private property and god are just a few view that they are known to share. Here a list of the ten points of "fascist".

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.

3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause. The most significant common thread among these regimes was the use of scapegoating as a means to divert the people’s attention from other problems, to shift blame forfailures, and to channel frustration in controlled directions. The methods of choice—relentless propaganda and disinformation—were usually effective. Often the regimes would incite “spontaneous” acts against the target scapegoats, usually communists, socialists, liberals, Jews, ethnic and racial minorities, traditional national enemies, members of other religions, secularists, homosexuals, and“terrorists.” Active opponents of these regimes were inevitably labeled as terrorists and dealt with accordingly.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

5. Rampant sexism. Beyond the simple fact that the political elite and the national culture were male-dominated, these regimes inevitably viewed women as second-class citizens. They were adamantly anti-abortion and also homophobic. These attitudes were usually codified in Draconian laws that enjoyed strong support by the orthodox religion of the country, thus lending the regime cover for its abuses.

6. A controlled mass media. Under some of the regimes, the mass media were under strict direct control and could be relied upon never to stray from the party line. Other regimes exercised more subtle power to ensure media orthodoxy. Methods included the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. The leaders of the mass media were often politically compatible with the power elite. The result was usually success in keeping the general public unaware of the regimes’ excesses.

7. Obsession with national security. Inevitably, a national security apparatus was under direct control of the ruling elite. It was usually an instrument of oppression, operating in secret and beyond any constraints. Its actions were justified under the rubric of protecting “national security,” and questioning its activities was portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.

8. Religion and ruling elite tied together. Unlike communist regimes, the fascist and protofascist regimes were never proclaimed as godless by their opponents. In fact, most of the regimes attached themselves to the predominant religion of the country and chose to portray themselves as militant defenders of that religion. The fact that the ruling elite’s behavior was incompatible with the precepts of the religion was generally swept under the rug. Propaganda kept up the illusion that the ruling elites were defenders of the faith and opponents of the “godless.” A perception was manufactured that opposing the power elite was tantamount to an attack on religion.

9. Power of corporations protected. Although the personal life of ordinary citizens was under strict control, the ability of large corporations to operate in relative freedom was not compromised. The ruling elite saw the corporate structure as a way to not only ensure military production (in developed states), but also as an additional means of social control. Members of the economic elite were often pampered by the political elite to ensure a continued mutuality of interests, especially in the repression of “have-not” citizens.

10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated. Since organized labor was seen as the one power center that could challenge the political hegemony of the ruling elite and its corporate allies, it was inevitably crushed or made powerless. The poor formed an underclass, viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor was considered akin to a vice.

11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts. Intellectuals and the inherent freedom of ideas and expression associated with them were anathema to these regimes. Intellectual and academic freedom were considered subversive to national security and the patriotic ideal. Universities were tightly controlled; politically unreliable faculty harassed or eliminated. Unorthodox ideas or expressions of dissent were strongly attacked, silenced, or crushed. To these regimes, art and literature should serve the national interest or they had no right to exist.

12. Obsession with crime and punishment. Most of these regimes maintained Draconian systems of criminal justice with huge prison populations. The police were often glorified and had almost unchecked power, leading to rampant abuse. “Normal” and political crime were often merged into trumped-up criminal charges and sometimes used against political opponents of the regime. Fear, and hatred, of criminals or “traitors” was often promoted among the population as an excuse for more police power.

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Those in business circles and close to the power elite often used their position to enrich themselves. This corruption worked both ways; the power elite would receive financial gifts and property from the economic elite, who in turn would gain the benefit of government favoritism. Members of the power elite were in a position to obtain vast wealth from other sources as well: for example, by stealing national resources. With the national security apparatus under control and the media muzzled, this corruption was largely unconstrained and not well understood by the general population.

14. Fraudulent elections. Elections in the form of plebiscites or public opinion polls were usually bogus. When actual elections with candidates were held, they would usually be perverted by the power elite to get the desired result. Common methods included maintaining control of the election machinery, intimidating an disenfranchising opposition voters, destroying or disallowing legal votes, and, as a last resort, turning to a judiciary beholden to the power elite.

[theAnarch]

some youtube goon said to me "oh the tea party arent racist" Can anyone explain to me why they are fascists?


There was actully a whole thread on that.

http://www.revleft.com/vb/tea-party-embryo-t138713/index.html

[cloneof]

I have always thought that those Tea Party are nothing more than Red Necks and creeps.

[DylanCD]

Check out "The other 98%" or "The Coffee Party".

[Bardo]

They're not, but people use the term "fascist" to anything they don't agree with..especially us on the left. Many of people on our side of the political spectrum use it more times than Katie Price uses foundation (And that's a lot)

The tea party are an Ultra-conservative - Nationalist - reactionary organisation. But they're not all sieg heilling, swastika worshipping people...

Fascism isnt interchangable with nazism. I wouldnt call the Tea Party a fascist movement though. Or maybe it's too early to tell?

[Catmatic Leftist]

Check out "The other 98%" or "The Coffee Party".

It seems like those groups are full of clueless liberals. :(

[Leninade]

Fascism isnt interchangable with nazism. I wouldnt call the Tea Party a fascist movement though. Or maybe it's too early to tell?

To understand the Tea Party you have to remember the enormous gap between what they say and what they mean.

These people believe in individual liberty, by which they mean the right to write laws that discriminate against people unlike them. They believe in freedom, by which they mean the freedom to pollute unfettered by liberal do-gooders if you happen to be one of the money-god's chosen i.e. the Koch family.

They believe in the American dream, by which they mean shutting down public schools so poor kinds can't get an explanation - because why should they have to pay for someone else's education?

They believe in isolationism, by which they mean killing every last Muslim and being friends with all remaining nations but allies to none.

They believe in the constitution, by which they mean they hate democracy and they'll tell you that straight to your face; if poor people and niggers can vote then it's hard for them to win.

I think of them as closet fascists, sort of the Ted Haggards and Mark Foleys of ideology. When Glenn Beck calls everybody and everything other than himself a fascist he is projecting.