Have Aliens been interfering with Earth?

[ComradeMan]

Do you think aliens are interfering with Earth? They might have been doing this for a long time hence all the mythology and stuff.

What do you reckon?

[Widerstand]

Posadist?

[ComradeMan]

Posadist?

Could explain a lot.

I reckon those damn aliens are up to something! They're probably reading this now and I bet they aren't vegans either.

[Decolonize The Left]

Do you think aliens are interfering with Earth? They might have been doing this for a long time hence all the mythology and stuff.

What do you reckon?

No. Next question. Also, moved this thread to Chit Chat where it belongs.

- August

[Sentinel]

Do you think aliens are interfering with Earth? They might have been doing this for a long time hence all the mythology and stuff.

What do you reckon?

If the question is meant to be serious, the answer is no. That kind of thing couldn't be kept secret for long, and no publicly available evidence can be scientifically proven to point towards that being the case.

If you wish to discuss UFO-related religions, most of them are quite scary and cultish. Mass suicides, stalking and killing of 'deserters', and other kinds of insanity have occurred.

The worst examples are perhaps Heavens Gate and Scientology. I know less about Raelism and other cults though.

[Sentinel]

No. Next question. Also, moved this thread to Chit Chat where it belongs.

- August

The OP can't reply anymore though, he's restricted. Perhaps merge with reactionary chatter intead?

[gorillafuck]

http://www.truthism.com/

[Bilan]

obviously.
http://www.youthink.com/images/2009/08/14/youthinkdotcom_3019709_164669.jpg


*anyone who points out that crab people live beneath the surface of the earth is a dick.

[Rafiq]

Probably not

[Rusty Shackleford]

actually, truth is...

the international bourgeoisie is an alien transplant.inter-class movility is a guise to hide the true capitalists which are the aliens.

because of this, the aliens are anti-communist and are responsible for every single anti-communist and counterrevolutionary event in the history of this planet.

[Q]

http://jerseyandohio.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/glenn-beck-goes-crazy-in-radio-show-pin-head-funny-comedy.jpg?w=340&h=454

http://www.dakzoekje.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/geert_wilders.jpg

I rest my case.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

http://www.truthism.com/

From that site, under the section entitled "Proof":


But, most importantly, a lot of ancient evidence has been intentionally destroyed or tampered with, and for obvious reasons. Once again, you were born only within the last 100 years. So, before you had even arrived on the scene, much of the evidence of humanity's true past had already been deleted.

Oh really? How convenient! Yet it goes on to list further "proof", thus contradicting the earlier claim. They try to have their cake and eat it. Conspiracists act just like creotards (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Creotard) in their attempts to interpret all the so-called "evidence" in terms of a grand narrative.

I know you did not post it in all seriousness, but I felt it was important to point out nonetheless.

Uh oh...


Women

Women are ultra-impressionable beings, and therefore are easily controlled by aliens and the elite. The main purpose of women on Earth (that is, what aliens have programmed them to do) is to enslave men via relationships. Women are obsessed with relationships and love (due to alien programming), and don't care about anything else in life. They would have men believe that being in a relationship is one of the most important things in existence, not realizing that men couldn't care less about being in a relationship--and rightly so. Furthermore, women force men to waste their precious time and resources on them. This demonic charade (i.e., relationships) has gone on for far too long and obviously has no end in sight. Thus, you can blame women for the downfall and utter hopelessness of humanity.

Somebody has issues. LOL. What is it about irrationality and it's correlation with reactionary social positions?

[Il Medico]

obviously.
http://www.youthink.com/images/2009/08/14/youthinkdotcom_3019709_164669.jpg


*anyone who points out that crab people live beneath the surface of the earth is a dick.
Bilan, mate, you're a dick. :p

[Tablo]

To answer the question seriously I would say most likely no. It is "possible" it has happened, but extremely unlikely as far as evidence suggests.

[Amphictyonis]

actually, truth is...

the international bourgeoisie is an alien transplant.inter-class movility is a guise to hide the true capitalists which are the aliens.

because of this, the aliens are anti-communist and are responsible for every single anti-communist and counterrevolutionary event in the history of this planet.

Thats just NWO disinfo spread by the liberal Jewish media to throw us off course. David Ike is a disinformation agent working for the Rothschilds.
;)

[synthesis]

Isn't it kind of a dick move to move an OI thread to Chit-Chat? It would probably be better to just merge it with Reactionary Chatter.

[Sentinel]

Isn't it kind of a dick move to move an OI thread to Chit-Chat? It would probably be better to just merge it with Reactionary Chatter.

I don't think it was intentional, quite likely he didn't notice that the OP was restricted. I've sent him a PM notification.

[EvilRedGuy]

http://jerseyandohio.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/glenn-beck-goes-crazy-in-radio-show-pin-head-funny-comedy.jpg?w=340&h=454

http://www.dakzoekje.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/geert_wilders.jpg

I rest my case.

Fucking lol'd. Why is Glenn Beck sad this time? Please let me know. Communist rape maybe? :wub:

[Ele'ill]

So a thread created by a restricted member was moved to an area where they can no longer contribute to the thread?

I'd worry about the possibility of aliens bringing disease- or getting diseases themselves and killing their home planet or home space station etc..

Also this-

http://terrortube.com/images/articles/aliens_3.jpg

[Astarte]

Do you think aliens are interfering with Earth? They might have been doing this for a long time hence all the mythology and stuff.

What do you reckon?

It is probably. But I maintain that they are EXTRADIMENSIONAL beings which can manipulate their energy beings into matter rather than "extraterrestrial". Jacques Vallee said:

"
1.unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
2. the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
3. the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
4. the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
5. the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives."

[Hexen]

It is probably. But I maintain that they are EXTRADIMENSIONAL beings which can manipulate their energy beings into matter rather than "extraterrestrial". Jacques Vallee said:

"
1.unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
2. the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
3. the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
4. the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
5. the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives."

Here's another possiblity and I'll bump it off to see what you think...

What if their actually supernatural beings/creatures (like Faeries especially)?

[synthesis]

It is probably. But I maintain that they are EXTRADIMENSIONAL beings which can manipulate their energy beings into matter rather than "extraterrestrial". Jacques Vallee said:

"
1.unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;
2. the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;
3. the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;
4. the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and
5. the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives."

This could quite possibly be the best posts of all time, on any forum.

[mikelepore]

John Locke's explanation for myths is more likely. Perception: horse. Reflection: I see a horse. Perception: An animal with a horn on its head. Reflection: I see an animal with a horn on its head. Secondary reflection: Recombining my previous reflections, I can imagine a horse with a horn on its head. Result: A story about a unicorn.

[Dimentio]

Moved to religion

[ComradeMan]

Does this post have the record for being the most moved post in history?

I was interested to here about the Posadists. What happened?

[Revolution starts with U]

I maintain that something has been happening, the UFO phenomenon is at least as old as the renaissance (seen in paintings) and creatures coming from the sky in flying chariots is as old as history.
What it is, idk. But there is something

[ComradeMan]

Here's one from China

http://www.truthism.com/images-2/ufo-4.jpg


http://www.truthism.com/images-2/aa-10.jpg

[Ele'ill]

I think it's more likely representing a stronghold and bringing supplies to it at varying times.

[ComradeMan]

I think it's more likely representing a stronghold and bringing supplies to it at varying times.

Not really- there are lots of these weird anomalies. I wish someone could read the Chinese script.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If anything, the idea that UFOs are the vessels of extradimensional beings is even more ridiculous than the extraterrestrial hypothesis - at least we have evidence for space and other planets existing.

We don't have any evidence for any extra "dimensions", ie seperate but connected (or at least somehow accessible) realms where complex entities may dwell. The whole thing stinks of moving goalposts and unfalsifiability!

[ComradeMan]

If anything, the idea that UFOs are the vessels of extradimensional beings is even more ridiculous than the extraterrestrial hypothesis - at least we have evidence for space and other planets existing.

We don't have any evidence for any extra "dimensions", ie seperate but connected (or at least somehow accessible) realms where complex entities may dwell. The whole thing stinks of moving goalposts and unfalsifiability!


The whole problem is whether it would indeed be possible to travel faster than the speed of light and then slow down again.

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[ÑóẊîöʼn]

The whole problem is whether it would indeed be possible to travel faster than the speed of light and then slow down again.

Mass increases to infinity the closer an object gets to light speed, so it isn't possible to accelerate an object to lightspeed from subluminal velocities.

Of course, it may be possible to circumvent the speed of light somehow - a pair of wormholes at interstellar distances from each other would enable an object to beat a beam of light to a destination without locally exceeding the speed of light, but you need to setup the wormholes in advance, and that means at some point you will have to actually travel to the destination at sublight speeds. Or it may be possible to bend space at faster than light speeds, but that has its own problems, including but not limited to:

1) Possibly infinite energy requirements, according to some calculations.

2) If not infinite, then the energy requirements may turn out to be prohibitively large.

3) If energy requirements aren't infinite or impractical, then where are all these FTL alien motherships that are supposedly zipping around the galaxy? Rather than resolving the Fermi paradox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox), FTL travel simply compounds it with a vengeance. Note that the Fermi paradox does not require FTL travel in order to be applicable - even at sublight velocities, there has been plenty of time for an alien civilisation to arise and explore the whole Milky Way - keep in mind that the Milky Way itself is "only" ~100,000 light years across. A truly mindboggling distance for a barely-planetary civilisation such as ourselves, but merely a matter of time for a civilisation that can travel interstellar distances.

[ComradeMan]

...

I saw this programme in which some Italian scientists had done something with a wavelength that suggested they could beat the speed of light. I can't remember the details- but it was interesting from a theoretical point of view.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I saw this programme in which some Italian scientists had done something with a wavelength that suggested they could beat the speed of light. I can't remember the details- but it was interesting from a theoretical point of view.

According to the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/781199.stm), there were actually two experiments. The way they are reported (journalists are notoriously lazy and sloppy when it comes to science reporting) indicates that in the first case, there's a 5% increase in the speed of light waves - not very impressive if your aim is interstellar travel. Of course, that assumes that the effect as observed and reported is real.

In the second experiment, the light (in this case microwave radiation) is put through a chamber filled with caesium gas. It's not made clear whether the light went faster than it would through caesium gas or through a vacuum, which is the absolute speed.

[mikelepore]

Mass increases to infinity the closer an object gets to light speed, so it isn't possible to accelerate an object to lightspeed from subluminal velocities.

Since the relativistic factor is multiplied by the rest mass, I wonder if miniaturization will eventually allow people to make a microscopic spacecraft, say, with a rest mass of a microgram, accelerate it to 0.9c, travel to other stars, and return to earth with data and pictures. A virtual trip, since we can't go. Alpha Centauri and back in ten years. 45 year mission to explore Gliese 581.

[Ele'ill]

So has that facility on the east coast of the US created a black hole yet?


http://www.lychesis.net/opinion/gallery/1/ep2_outland_11b0000.jpg

[Astarte]

Here's another possiblity and I'll bump it off to see what you think...

What if their actually supernatural beings/creatures (like Faeries especially)?

I believe these things work off of the unconsciousness of the self, as well as the collective unconsciousness... so whatever the psyches of the viewers believe to be the "most appropriate" form for what they witness, these beings will take - hence why there were the gods in the ancient texts such as the Mesopotamian nations, Greeks, Romans, Hindusm Egyptians, Chinese, Japanese, etc... in all likelihood i would say to more isolated and traditional peoples of the past, they couple have appeared as fairies.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Since the relativistic factor is multiplied by the rest mass, I wonder if miniaturization will eventually allow people to make a microscopic spacecraft, say, with a rest mass of a microgram, accelerate it to 0.9c, travel to other stars, and return to earth with data and pictures. A virtual trip, since we can't go. Alpha Centauri and back in ten years. 45 year mission to explore Gliese 581.

The problem isn't mass, rather it is the ratio of propellant to payload - for interstellar journeys, this is huge. The only way around this is to leave your power source at home (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion), or cheat (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/reactionlessdrive.php).

[mikelepore]

The problem isn't mass, rather it is the ratio of propellant to payload - for interstellar journeys, this is huge. The only way around this is to leave your power source at home (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion), or cheat (http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/reactionlessdrive.php).

We need propellant because of conservation of momentum -- the only way to accelerate in the +x direction is to eject something in the -x direction. However, if a new energy solution is found, a space craft can eat the small amount of interstellar hydrogen, ionize it to make it responsive to an electric field, and then repel it out the back. Perhaps a nano-machine with a nano-laser can perform nuclear fusion -- then the interstellar hydrogen would be the propellant in addition to the energy supply.

[ComradeMan]

Isn't the universe supposed to be expanding faster than the speed of light so that some galaxies will remain eternally unreachable in any sense?

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Isn't the universe supposed to be expanding faster than the speed of light so that some galaxies will remain eternally unreachable in any sense?

Yeah, but those galaxies are billions of light years away. I don't think we will be running out of universe any time soon.

[ComradeMan]

Yeah, but those galaxies are billions of light years away. I don't think we will be running out of universe any time soon.

How can the universe expand faster than the speed of light?

[Revolution starts with U]

Where is it said to expand faster than the speed of light? Perhaps relatively, like we are mathematically moving faster than C if you add up the rotation of the earth, the revolution around the sun, the suns movement around the galaxy, and the galaxy's movement around the cluster, etc.
Do you have a source for that?

[ComradeMan]

It depends with this one on how you measure it... so subjective science these days!!! ;) ;)

Universal expansion
The expansion of the universe causes distant galaxies to recede from us faster than the speed of light, if comoving distance and cosmological time are used to calculate the speeds of these galaxies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Universal_expansion

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

How can the universe expand faster than the speed of light?

Because spacetime doesn't have mass, and therefore can move as fast as it likes.

You can think of it this way; imagine a deck of cards. The thickness of the deck represents space. Then you can represent expansion by slotting in a new card in between each of the old ones. If it takes a second to slot in the new cards, the deck will be doubling in thickness every second. Keep doing this, and the ends of the deck will soon be moving faster than the speed of light, but the cards themselves will only be moving as much as card's thickness away from their immediate neighbours every time new cards are added.

[Ele'ill]

Put your hands in prayer or in a 'ninja bow', stick them into a kid's pool and quickly separate them. Right?

[Revolution starts with U]

Interersting. It would have been no easy task to travel to other galaxies anyway. To find it impossible barring teleportation is... disheartening.:crying:

[Revolution starts with U]

I was watching the new Ancient Aliens (History Channel) earlier and I thought about this. What if;

200k years ago (or earlier) an alien race shows up to mine or something. A small subspecies of homo sapiens begins "mimicking" their culture, like cargo cults of the south pacific. At first it's just small figurines and cave paintings. The aliens think we're beyond primitive, like we see ants or chimps, so they don't notice any of it.
If there's physical contact it is minimal. But somewhere in the last 20k years contact becomes more apparent as the glaciers recede. We develop long range projectiles, complex blades, furnacing and pottery. Tools of warfare...
There is evidence of now sunken coastal cities. I think it is here you will find the development of the god stories, and utopic myths. It might have been like certain factions picking sides, imparting knowledge to us to fight our battles for them, or something.

It's all very speculative. And probably not even close to true. But I love to wonder what if... :rolleyes:

[ComradeMan]

I was watching the new Ancient Aliens (History Channel) earlier and I thought about this. What if;

200k years ago (or earlier) an alien race shows up to mine or something. A small subspecies of homo sapiens begins "mimicking" their culture, like cargo cults of the south pacific. At first it's just small figurines and cave paintings. The aliens think we're beyond primitive, like we see ants or chimps, so they don't notice any of it.
If there's physical contact it is minimal. But somewhere in the last 20k years contact becomes more apparent as the glaciers recede. We develop long range projectiles, complex blades, furnacing and pottery. Tools of warfare...
There is evidence of now sunken coastal cities. I think it is here you will find the development of the god stories, and utopic myths. It might have been like certain factions picking sides, imparting knowledge to us to fight our battles for them, or something.

It's all very speculative. And probably not even close to true. But I love to wonder what if... :rolleyes:

Well there are a lot of people who interpret religion (early) and myth according to those ideas, who knows?

My problem isn't with the existence of aliens but with the possibility of their being able to visit Earth in any way that the laws of physics would allow.

Some have suggested they are not aliens, in a long far off future man has evolved and discovered time travel. Problematic too, but that these so-called "aliens" are visitors from another time. The problem with this is the granfather-like paradox of their visiting now affecting their existence in the future. :confused:

[Revolution starts with U]

I've had the same problems. Just learning what light speed is should give one a pause; it would take 4 years at the speed of light, which you can't do, to reach our closest star...