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William Hathaway
3rd November 2010, 15:32
I'd appreciate your opinions on whether nonviolent sabotage involving destruction of property is an acceptable tactic. It seems to me that in certain situations it is, and I expand on this in the following short article:


Sabotage on the Rise
By William T. Hathaway
CounterCurrents
02 November 2010


Militant activists are turning to sabotage in the struggle for social change. Outraged by the Democrats continuing the war they had pledged to stop, a growing number of domestic insurgents have moved beyond demonstrations and petitions into direct action, defying the government's laws and impeding its capacity to wage war. They are convinced that the only way to bring peace now is to bring the system down, and sabotage is one way to do that.


My new book, RADICAL PEACE: People Refusing War, interviews several saboteurs. Trucker is the code name of a man who burns military vehicles. He classifies his sabotage as nonviolent because it doesn't harm human beings, only things. He states, "It's only because our culture worships property that we see destroying war machines as violence. What I'm doing is depriving the military of their tools of violence. I'm decreasing their ability to harm people. Since they refuse to disarm, I'm doing it for them. I'd never set fire to a building because someone might be inside. I even look inside the trucks to make sure no one is sleeping there."


RADICAL PEACE also profiles a janitor who has destroyed computers at a defense contractor with electrical surges. "I'm sure the lost work and equipment has set back the war effort," he states, "and I'm looking forward to my next surge for peace."


A college student relates how she threw a rock through the window of an army recruiter after her friend returned from Iraq crippled. She plans to do it again but says, "I wouldn't throw a rock at the recruiter. I don't have anything against him as a person."


Other domestic insurgents are cutting phone and electricity wires into recruiting offices, slashing their tires, painting over their billboards. At universities they are attacking military research projects and ROTC offices: stealing their mail, squirting glue into their door locks, hacking into their computers. An autonome tossed a log under the wheels of an arms train and derailed it, but he was careful to do it in the middle of the train so no one would be injured.


The saboteurs in the book agree that such resistance must be nonviolent, that it not injure living creatures. Setting bombs and burning buildings where people could be inside can't achieve anything worthwhile. It just reproduces the same mentality that we're trying to change.


Rather than randomly smashing windows and torching autos, they restrict their activities to institutions that support or profit from the war. Their goal is to make the war too expensive to continue. A few acts of sabotage won't do that, but thousands can. Government and corporate resources are limited. Taxes and the deficit are already so high that they're crippling the economy. Every dollar the government has to spend keeping things running here is one they can't spend killing people overseas.


The militants believe that direct actions like these aren't a substitute for traditional organizing, but in critical situations like the present they can supplement it. Sabotage won't build a new society, but it can help weaken the old one so the new one can be built.


This is only one point of view on a very controversial issue, though, and critical discussion about it is needed. Many other opinions on possible negative side effects should be heard. I look forward to your comments.

Peace on Earth
3rd November 2010, 15:52
If I had to come out for or against sabotage, I would be for it. However, it must be done correctly, as it is said in the article. Random acts of destruction (inflamed by media coverage) will only result in the average person turning against you. Don't destroy anything that has much value to the average person. If a major corporation is a war-machine producer, yet also is the source of the communities energy, don't harm their facilities in ways that the average person would suffer.

Large-scale sabotage can be, in my opinion, a useful tool if used correctly and with the proper thought beforehand.

Rusty Shackleford
3rd November 2010, 16:11
an arms train was derailed!?


AWESOME

that person gets my vote.

A Proletarian Manifesto
4th November 2010, 06:09
I think sabotage on anything that doesn't directly involve the working class, and severly effects the upper classes is more than productive. I also am a supporter of violent sabotage, if Henry Paulson, Glenn Beck, or Rand Paul were shot dead in a working class robbery I would shed a tear, but it would be one of joy.

William Hathaway
5th November 2010, 14:31
Thank for your contributions to the thread. It seems to have struck a responsive chord. Peace on Earth's caveat about avoiding sabotage that harms the living conditions of ordinary people was particularly well taken. If you're interested in pursuing the topic further, I expand on it in my book, Radical Peace: People Refusing War. Several chapters are posted on the publisher's website, which you can find by doing an internet search for “Radical Peace” + Trineday. Your comments and critique on these kinds of direct action will be helpful. Let's think together to develop tactics that can cause this killing machine to slow down, falter, and fall.

Rakhmetov
5th November 2010, 15:34
These are a bunch of misguided folks. What they should be doing instead is organizing and educating workers to agree on a general strike, first locally and eventually nationwide. Inserting glue in locks!---that is not going to lead to any constructive positive developments. :crying:

Rusty Shackleford
5th November 2010, 22:43
mengitsu, i agree with you, but derailing a friggin arms train is AWESOME.

RED DAVE
5th November 2010, 22:51
I'd appreciate your opinions on whether nonviolent sabotage involving destruction of property is an acceptable tactic.The judgment on such actions is effectiveness in actually stopping, say, the War in Iraq.

First of all, it is impossible to stop an effort as huge as the US war effort in Iraq by sabotage. The amount of people and material involved is immense.

Second, as a symbolic act, at this time, a large act of sabotage, even a nonviolent one involving no loss of life, would almost doubtless cause a reaction that would be greater than any positive effect.

There is no shortcut to avoid the hard work of organizing and recruiting. During the Vietnam War, there was extensive organizing among the GIs. This definitely had an effect on the war over a long period of time.

RED DAVE

William Hathaway
9th November 2010, 14:53
Simple acts like squirting glue into the locks of ROTC and military-research facilities impede and burden the system, making it run slower and less efficiently.

Atrum
22nd May 2011, 20:00
There is no shortcut to avoid the hard work of organizing and recruiting. During the Vietnam War, there was extensive organizing among the GIs. This definitely had an effect on the war over a long period of time.

RED DAVE



It is thinking like this that keeps us stuck in a rut. This is not about shortcuts, it is about making things happen now and not later. Organization is a good thing, but too much is also a hindrance. You also need to consider multiple forms of action and apply them together. Simply going out and striking is not going to do much other than slow the revolution down, give them time to counter, and then finally wear us out to the point where we are pleased with the laughable concessions that we have finally won.

William, so far I have found your posts most interesting and I feel that they can serve as the core to start something great. We need more communication of this sort amongst each other!

Winter is coming!

MattShizzle
23rd May 2011, 04:49
It can be a useful tactic, especially for workers against the bourgousie. Remember the sabo-kitty!

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e162/MattGo74/sabokitty.png

Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame
23rd May 2011, 04:59
This can be easily an acceptable tactic, as if anything it is Armed Propaganda of sorts, it shows the potential for the system to be fallible and allows for the disruption of it to take place, which shows that it can be overcome.


These are a bunch of misguided folks. What they should be doing instead is organizing and educating workers to agree on a general strike, first locally and eventually nationwide. Inserting glue in locks!---that is not going to lead to any constructive positive developments. :crying:
1.) They're not misguided, as they're directly showing the system is fallible and they're combating it on an armed basis, if anything this is Armed Propaganda that shows that it can be overcome. Their actions are in fact wise, however-- They must be organized correctly, otherwise their actions will be in fact-- Unwise.
2.) Organizing and educating should be done by those who aren't pushing forward Armed Propaganda, while organizing and educating are utterly important, actions like this should to a point be regarded as important in respect, as it shows the fallibility of the ruling class system.
3.) This is by far a constructive action. Sabotage can be constructive if used to target the correct area, if this is to be done correctly, it is by far-- Constructive and should be regarded as such.

palotin
23rd May 2011, 05:42
I think it definitely has its place, but presents a fair number of issues that must be dealt with if it is to be used productively. The act of sabotage has a social life. It can never be fully material or technical, that is it can never just be the destruction of a particular thing. Once it is recognized as sabotage by the public, it takes on a social life that can easily have negative consequences for revolutionary social movements. Capitalist Power's greatest argument against lefist radicals is that they are impractical, unreasonable dreamers who willfully and violently deny 'reality' with negative consequences for society at large. If sabotage is done in such a way or allowed after the fact to feed into that narrative to an extent that is not counter ballanced and outweighed by its propaganda effect in the saboteur's favor, then it is ill advised.

ellipsis
23rd May 2011, 06:43
check out this thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/protesters-disable-california-t154261/index.html?p=2101527) on sabotaging gas stations


On April 20th, 2011, on the first year anniversary of the oil disaster resulting from an explosion at British Petroleum's Deep Water Horizon oil rig, a group of individuals answered a call-out made by Rising Tide by partially or completely disabling fourteen gas station in neighborhoods around San Francisco for an estimated total closure time of over thirty-seven hours. These actions were undertaken with very little damage to property and no violence towards individuals.

Art Vandelay
23rd May 2011, 07:26
I think it definitely has its place, but presents a fair number of issues that must be dealt with if it is to be used productively. The act of sabotage has a social life. It can never be fully material or technical, that is it can never just be the destruction of a particular thing. Once it is recognized as sabotage by the public, it takes on a social life that can easily have negative consequences for revolutionary social movements. Capitalist Power's greatest argument against lefist radicals is that they are impractical, unreasonable dreamers who willfully and violently deny 'reality' with negative consequences for society at large. If sabotage is done in such a way or allowed after the fact to feed into that narrative to an extent that is not counter ballanced and outweighed by its propaganda effect in the saboteur's favor, then it is ill advised.

I would have to agree with this sentiment. The act of sabotage alone is simply not enough, and must be paired with propaganda. It is not enough for the public to merely know about what happened, they must also understand why it was done, and by whom; although not specifically of course.