How Can We Spread Communism??

[Comrade Ceausescu]

In a world where many consider socialsm and communism a dead art,or just another part of history how do we spread communism?how do we create more soviet empires?how do we bring communism back to when it was just as huge as capiatalism in the 60's?how so when we have a minimal amount of comrades worldwide.we must start in third world countries!i think.forget where i live-america.most powerful super power in the world,guerilla warfare simply cannot be practiced here without taking the lives of thousands of innocent people,i.e. 9/11.how can we start communist movements in small countries?we must uplift socialsm in a time whrere it is almost dead and in the trash can of history being dumped to be forgotten!long live socialsm!long live communism!

[elijahcraig]

RedStar made a thread on "What Can I Do" somewhere a few days ago I think.

I am basically converting people to communism through reason. I even converted by mother! And some of my friends. Message boards which are not communist which you can open people's minds to communism is something I do. I live in a small little redneck town, there's not much to do. The government here is redneck, they kill people if they don't like you. So there's not much here.

Urban Guerilla Struggle is not ruled out.

[Dyst]

I live in Norway, wich also is capitalist.

Anyways, I have lost much faith in a revolution. I think, some communism is allready here (mainly based on the net), and it will spread and soon the whole western world will become communist. Think about Kazaa and Napster and Winamp and hacking and all that. It is all like different versions of communism. Think about how easy you can share files and texts and pictures and movies through your computer... Soon, the movie industries, the music industries, and most other industries will have no reason to exist at all, not even computer industries (In the speed the technology are moving now, soon, most people can create their own hardware and software, + software is also shared through the net). Much capitalism will fall. Though there will still exist food industries and clothing industries and some other industries producing fysical merchandize. Those will be a problem. I do not know what to do about those.

It seems like being a hippie and socialist in norway are being increasingly popular. For example, a clothing industry named Cubus now sells a t-shirt with Che Guevara on it. Most people in central Oslo are either socialists (www.sv.no) or communists (www.rv.no -or- www.akp.no).

[Comrade Ceausescu]

try to get a revolucion started there!it sounds like there are some pretty good conditions!

[il Commy]

The existence sets the consciousness.

We're in a world capitalist crisis. Workingmen are being hurt by it. Capitalism is now shown in it's most unpleasant look - wars, hunger, social cuts etc. The workingmen are begining to understand that they are being hurt and start to take actions. If will be there for the struggling workers and explain to them about the class society and Communism, they will become communists. The revolution comes from a crisis and a vanguard organized in a communist party.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 04:54 AM
I live in Norway, wich also is capitalist.

Hmm, from what I knew of Norway, I always thought it was a quasi-socialist country (some would argue it is a Democratic Socialist country) and has the highest standard of living in the world.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 04:54 AM
Think about how easy you can share files and texts and pictures and movies through your computer... Soon, the movie industries, the music industries, and most other industries will have no reason to exist at all, not even computer industries (In the speed the technology are moving now, soon, most people can create their own hardware and software, + software is also shared through the net).
I don't know about you, but I'm not writing my own operating system anytime soon. I could see open source getting more popular but I don't see how people are supposed to create their own hardware. Maybe you know something that I don't, but that just sounds plain silly.

[peaccenicked]

Just go to meetings, stay attentive, go home and watch the telly or find something creative to do. The world will catch up with you eventually. :D

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

For those who are in high school, see if you can join the newspaper club and make todays topics and issues more on a communist and socialist response and hope that you can accually publish it. Is that a good idea to get a people on a larger scale such as a school exposed to such ideas???

[YKTMX]

Mass working class action. Any attempt to replace this with, Urban warfare, or anything else will end in failure or despotism, or both.

[elijahcraig]

Unfortunately X, the "working class" in america is a labor aristocracy, incapable of revolution at this time.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 08:07 PM
Unfortunately X, the "working class" in america is a labor aristocracy, incapable of revolution at this time.
Well then, there should not be a revolution there then should there.

[elijahcraig]

No, not at this time. It is impossible. Building up for the revolution, and hitting the capitalist system through other tactics is a must though.

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 08:07 PM
Unfortunately X, the "working class" in america is a labor aristocracy, incapable of revolution at this time.
There are many workers in the USA, many are exploited. The workingclass is reactionary because of the leftovers of the cold war (the commofobia), the post-modernist views, the religion and the media. Many are also afraid from loosing their democratic rights and their life, like happned to many in the USSR.

But the consciousness is begining to grow. It's enough to see the millions who demonstrated against the war for oil to prove it. Good communist propaganda is needed. Though to really liberate them from the reaction, there's a need for a revolution in one of the colonials or semi-colonial countries. A movement which will support this rebel could very well turn into a revolution, or atleast a mass revolutionary party.

[Felicia]

How Can We Spread Communism??

A butter knife should work.

[Dyst]

Norwegian Parties - %Popularity

Workers Party (AP) - %24,0
Right Wing (H) - %20,0
"Future's Party" Capitalist party (FRP) - %17,5
Socialist Left (SV) - %17,0
Christian Fundementalist Party (KrF) - %7,0 ::: (Currently in power)
Center Party (SP) - %5,0
Left Wing (V) - %3,0
Other parties and lists (all communist parties and some others) - %6,5

Norwegian Parties - /Left/ to /Right/ (this is after my own opinion of the different parties)

Socialist Left (SV)
Workers Party (AP)
Center Party (SP)
Left Wing (V)
Christian Fundementalist Party (KrF) ::: (Currently in power)
Right Wing (H)
"Future's Party" Capitalist party (FRP)

There are also two communist parties though, these only get votes from Oslo central.

[crazy comie]

im half Norwegian.
isn't norway a bourgeois socialist state with a conservative goverment. i mean the state has a monopely on all wine

[crazy comie]

what we need is a new international an expanded manifesto more activisum. we also need a para military group wich will put into power a comunist party but this may only come when the time for revoulotion is ripe

[Dyst]

A new international would be realy cool.

[crazy comie]

THE PARA MILATRY ORGANISEATION WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A SOCILIST CONSTITUTION INVOLVING DEMOCRACY.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by crazy [email protected] 18 2003, 03:46 PM
we also need a para military group wich will put into power a comunist party but this may only come when the time for revoulotion is ripe
No, that's the last thing we need.

[crazy comie]

i should of menshoned only with the support of the mass and it would only be necesery if the capitalist was stoping us from geting in to power for example vot swindeling.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Educating the stupid masses is needed.

Dont forget this: in countries were voting is mandatory, the ones that always decide the winner is the PEOPLE WHICH ISNT INTO POLITICS. That's the people we mustr convince, because they live with their burgueois way of thinking.

We need to create a single party without Leninist/Trotskyist/Stalinist divisions, which unites the struggle in a single idea. While right-wing politicians are divided by their interests, we need unity.

We will use guns only if it becomes absolutely necessary.

[Indysocialist]

I agree with an earlier post about Kazza and Napster but I think it has to go further. Communism can't be like it was in the last century with hammers and sickles, redstars, big pictures of Lenin and whatnot. Eventually, it's inevitable really, the US is going to be faced with another Vietnam like situation (there's a whole slew of countries just ready to be the next Vietnam) and there will be another mass movement for change. We have to admit, things are better then they were (in the US at least) during and before Vietnam.
The violent "run to the hills its a revolution baby!" mentality has died and left. I agree with Howard Zinn when he said we need to recognize that violence as a means for social change isn't acceptable anymore (paraphrase but you get the meaning).
So in other words, to basically turn people on the these ideas (I'm more or less a liberal/socialist then a communist) tell them your beliefs and after your done with that tell them what they are. Don't go parading over to your friends house waving a red flag with your Lenin shirt on yelling "Hasta la victoria siempre!" because odds are you won't be invited back. :P Ease them into it. I'm only 19, and I'm sure my generation won't live to see the things we're fighting for.

[Hayduke]

If you want to spread your ideas about communisn, the best way to do so is activism. Go in the neighberhood and ask people what they want to see changed in there life. Inform them about your ideas and how they can help to solve the problems that are currently around.

You can always do political actions and let people know about your communist ideas trough that as well. Just organize actions for the people and inform anyone around you about your ideas.

Dont scare people off with big pictures of lenin, hammer and sickles, quotes from " Das Kapital " You dont connect with people that way, if they understand that communist are actually helping them, they will take the time to listen to you.

So to come with a short answer: activism

[Felicia]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 23 2003, 12:13 AM
Educating the stupid masses is needed.

I certainly hope you don't mean that the messes are "stupid".

Hey bud, those "stupid masses" have the power to change the future of your country. They are not, by any means, stupid. They are either not or poorly educated, that's the fault of the government and/or economic system. It's NOT their fault!!!

[elijahcraig]

What did you think Marx meant by this:

The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.

[Xvall]

I heard a lot of things are spread through sexual intercourse. We should all try that.

[Felicia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 09:56 PM
What did you think Marx meant by this:

The Communists, therefore, are on the one hand practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions, and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.
He's saying that the communists have some knowledge over the proletariat on how they need to go about their movement, yada yada. He isn't calling the proletariat "stupid"

Everyone must be taught what they know.

EDIT:
Drake,
no, that's gross :blink:

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 22 2003, 11:13 PM
Educating the stupid masses is needed.

Dont forget this: in countries were voting is mandatory, the ones that always decide the winner is the PEOPLE WHICH ISNT INTO POLITICS. That's the people we mustr convince, because they live with their burgueois way of thinking.

We need to create a single party without Leninist/Trotskyist/Stalinist divisions, which unites the struggle in a single idea. While right-wing politicians are divided by their interests, we need unity.

We will use guns only if it becomes absolutely necessary.
Perhaps we should start with you :D . That should be "THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T INTO POLITICS" not the "PEOPLE WHICH ISNT"

[Xvall]

Felicia, it's not gross. How do you think you became a socialist? Either you had sexual relations with one, or you were born from one. It's the only logical explanation! Besides, it's not gross. We were all concieved as a result of sexual intercourse and fluid secretion.

[Saint-Just]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 09:51 PM
A new international would be realy cool.
Trotskyists are always thinking that would be 'cool'. But none of their new international's work out. Trotsky's never did and neither did any after it.

[crazy comie]

they think its cool becuse it would be cool

[Saint-Just]

But there has been a few in the past and they never work out. Anyway, at present some people do follow the 4th international. Also, nowadays the only people who the international will appeal to is Trotskyists.

The Comintern had success, but theres no big communist parties to hold something like that together nowadays.

[YKTMX]

Cm is right, far left ideology is so factionalised nowadays. Internationals are pointless. The ESF and WSF are the way to go, even if they are full of reformists.

[crazy comie]

we need a united party

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 24 2003, 12:03 PM
Felicia, it's not gross. How do you think you became a socialist? Either you had sexual relations with one, or you were born from one. It's the only logical explanation! Besides, it's not gross. We were all concieved as a result of sexual intercourse and fluid secretion.
I'm a virgin

and my parents are centre-right

explain that one, eh, how am I socialist again?

:P

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 12:47 AM
I certainly hope you don't mean that the messes are "stupid".

Hey bud, those "stupid masses" have the power to change the future of your country. They are not, by any means, stupid. They are either not or poorly educated, that's the fault of the government and/or economic system. It's NOT their fault!!!
I meant that they are stupid for following what some capitalist tells them with their speeches, their propaganda and most things they say in the media. Not all masses are stupid.
I should have made that clear.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 03:59 AM
Perhaps we should start with you :D . That should be "THE PEOPLE WHO AREN'T INTO POLITICS" not the "PEOPLE WHICH ISNT"
I'm sorry. I'm not from an english-speaking country, so I believed that the word "people" was used as a singular.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 06:13 AM
RedStar made a thread on "What Can I Do" somewhere a few days ago I think.

I am basically converting people to communism through reason. I even converted by mother! And some of my friends. Message boards which are not communist which you can open people's minds to communism is something I do. I live in a small little redneck town, there's not much to do. The government here is redneck, they kill people if they don't like you. So there's not much here.

Urban Guerilla Struggle is not ruled out.
hmm...you sound like a persausive guy..as soon as you can move to a larger city..you may be more sucessful converting people there

[crazy comie]

We should use brands like soviet to are advantedge an tell pepole what wearing Che t-shirts and stuf means.

[FistFullOfSteel]

yeha dude u right!we can use demonstrations papers :)

[dannie]

i think the first thing you have to do to get a revolution is sensibilise, once you have got the masses to "not longer accept being exploited" you can start thinking about other steps

[crazy comie]

good idea

[FistFullOfSteel]

comrades here we gooo

[ComradeRobertRiley]

Im in Cyprus, convert cyprus to cummunism

[REDWARRIOR]

Crazy commie, i argree fully that a red para-military organization is need. Like an international Red Army. It will be more difficult than ever to found, fund, supply and lead a revolution, as there is no longer a soviet union to back you, provide you with leadership, money and weapons. All this must be done on your own. Just my thought. If people like this idea, an internation red force it should seriously be considered.

[crazy comie]

If one was founded it should be called the socialists freadom force.

[REDWARRIOR]

Opps of forgot to add this.... This para-military force, could help lead and fight revoution wars around the globe, takin the place of what the soviet union used to do.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

The US is soo fucking hopeless, there will be no hope for any kind of socialism here. It tells ppl that democracy is everywhere, show me a democracy!!!! There is no democracy in this world, face it, the US especially, noone is ready for freedom here. I hate this miserable peice of shit country, i cant wait till im the fuck outa here

I mean, theres revolutionaries, but no working class, its all mixed in with middle class. I mean theres some working class in the ghettos to be sure, but that aint gonna work, im ready for revolution, and i would really like it if it happened today, but there is really not that much hope is there.

So i just stuffed my politics into a little breifcase and only open it up on occasion, i pretend to be mildly political in most cases, when im with my revolutionary freinds, or in revolutionary situations, i become radical again, but for the meantime, i keep a low profile, and im actually quite happy with it.

Thats all, i had to get my thoughts out somewhere, so ill take a shit at them here!

[crazy comie]

The u.s will probbably be the last place to have a revoulotion.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

or at least one of the last, ironically it should be #1 because of its' current position in the world, it would be logical to revolt here first, so that the US cant interfere with other people's struggles around the world

[REDWARRIOR]

CG u are right. Any communist revolution that happens the us will interfear and suppourt/fight for the capitalist government, making a victory incredably difficult. Look at vietnam, minus the soviet unions suppourt.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

Yes, thats why if it happens anywhere IT NEEDS TO happen here first, so then we can HELP the others resist, this is all depending if the US maintains its supperiority.

[kylie]

Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 27 2003, 03:39 PM
But there has been a few in the past and they never work out. Anyway, at present some people do follow the 4th international. Also, nowadays the only people who the international will appeal to is Trotskyists.


The 4th International is growing, albeit only slightly. Currently there is too many internal problems and conflicts that need to be sorted out before any significant increase in its size and status will occur. Ths Spartacist League being the main problem still.

[RedAnarchist]

China is growing more and more powerful - soon it will be more powerful than America. They may be able to fund the global "red army".

We should attempt to Communize strategically first.

An idea is that we unite the Communized nations in a Communist Federation.

[FistFullOfSteel]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2003, 12:19 PM
China is growing more and more powerful - soon it will be more powerful than America. They may be able to fund the global "red army".

We should attempt to Communize strategically first.

An idea is that we unite the Communized nations in a Communist Federation.
we help the chines

[crazy comie]

china ain't communist.

[FistFullOfSteel]

then what is it?

[Xvall]

I'm a virgin

and my parents are centre-right

explain that one, eh, how am I socialist again?

When your parents were engaged in sexual intercourse, one of them must have been a socialist or a communist at that time. Their beliefs may have changed by now.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

China is a corrupt communist country, it is infested by cappies, and basically it is repressive against the ppl it seeks to protect, workers are treated extremely unfairly, (and this is not just western media) I think since Mao died, China has gone nowhere but down hill, i think it will convert totally into capitalism sometime soon, just watch it!

[crazy comie]

china has never been enything but a cappie land

[FistFullOfSteel]

how did it become a cappie land?

[ElRuso1967]

after good ol' Mao died it went downhill from there i think... :huh:

[FistFullOfSteel]

allright

[Guest]

Good idea all

[Jesus Christ]

oo a guest

[crazy comie]

it has been cappie since 1911

[REDWARRIOR]

When China grows more powerful than the states more likely then not they will go on a territorial expansion and expand their borders. As we all know they are all incredably over populated. And yea, they are false communist, greedy and corrupt....they are an insult to marx. And I highly doubt they would take the place of the Soviet Union and fund internation communist revolutions in other countries.
Hey wait, weren't the soviet union and china enemies or something?

[crazy comie]

Yes but the ussr wasn't communist either

[REDWARRIOR]

They were socialist...communism is the more extreme version, and has not been reach by any country yet. Or at least i am led to believe. Someone correct me if i am wrong.

[Xvall]

You are correct. Communism is the final stage of Marxism wherein the state has withered away.

[RedComrade]

Infested by cappies ehh?

Did you come up with this all by yourself?, I wonder what sources you have used to come to this conclusion. I hate to bust your bubble but China's private or capitalist sector comprises only 5% of the countries economy. The rest is either state or worker-coops and together it makes up the fastest growing, strongest economy in the world. Despite some regretable political problems China still remains a shining example of a viable socialist economy, something the socialist movement is desperate for after decades of failure under the state-command economy of the Soviet Union. The future my friends, is in market socialism and China is a living testament to the power of a publically owned economy when harnessed correctly.

[REDWARRIOR]

What about North Korea? They could help in a revolution. They have a rather large surplus of weapons, and have very large special forces. They probably could help lead and train revolutionaries. And fund and arm guerilla warriors.
And cuba might be able to supply weapons.
And let us not forget about FARC, they could so help small groups with funding and weapons. Common...they are columbian drug dealers. Bullshit they don't have the money. but i highly doubt that they would commit that many resources to help other revolutionaries...they have enough of their own problems but links to them would prove rather useful. When was the last time someone messed with someone affiliated with FARC?

[-JakeH-]

How to spread communism? Education. I am currenlty being educated to become a history teacher, that way I can hopefully shed some light as to the reality of the world. Unfortunately most children in the US today are completely ignorant as to what Capitalism has done to the world. Also, I feel that Capitalism is just a modernized version of fuedalism, I will draw many distinctions between the two.
You can also spread communism simply by being vocal. Don't be over-vocal about your beliefs, be rational and remember that most people don't like communism, so draw more ties to communism being helpful for humanity and capitalism only being helpful for the individual. This is working quite well for me, as many people I "argue" with are actually doing research and can no longer refute my claims.

Ultimately capitalism will destroy itself. I fully belief that once the US has exploited third world nations to the extent that there is no longer any manufacturing being done within the US, there will be no jobs. Thus a peoples revolt will occur, or at least the current system will have to adapt and become more socialized to care for its citizens without jobs.