THIS GUY WAS TRASHING MAO TODAY

[Comrade Ceausescu]

HE WAS SAYING HE KILLED ANYONE WHO OPPOSED HIS VIEW ON THINGS....AND THAT HE WAS INSANE.I DEFENDED MAO 110%!WHAT ARE YOU GUYS OPINOINS ON THIS?I'M FEELING VERY ANGRY RIGHT NOW.

[elijahcraig]

Who are you referring to? "Guy"?

My opinion is that he is mostly good, but made mistakes like all humans do.

I think enough of him to put him in my signature. :lol:

[Comrade Ceausescu]

some person i know.hes a cappie.but a nice guy,i just lost most respect for him.is it true that mao killed any1 who didnt agree with him?

[elijahcraig]

No. He killed people who attempted to destroy the socialist state. Just like Stalin.

Ever heard his quote, "Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. "

[Comrade Ceausescu]

thats a good quote.

[elijahcraig]

The Little Red Book is one of my favorite books to pull quotes out of. It is great.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

yes its a great book.

[elijahcraig]

Have you ever been to the Maoist Internationalist Movement's website?

Here's a link if you haven't:

MIM (http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/)

It's got a lot of good information.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

thanks.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

that faq subject"wasnt mao a butcher"?kills all cappies!i sent it to the idiot who fucking harrassed me about mao.sadly the mim considers me an enemy cuz i am a white american. :angry: it is not my fault what my skin color is or where i was born!

[elijahcraig]

No, they don't. I emailed them asking them about it. They said they didn't care as long as you were commited to communism.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

thats good.

[SonofRage]

Mao was a great revolutionary but once he got in power he was basically a screw up. :D

[FAB]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 06:52 AM
No. He killed people who attempted to destroy the socialist state. Just like Stalin.

Ever heard his quote, "Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy. "
that is socialism. communism is love

[RED FIRE]

Good point,Molotow

[Comrade Ceausescu]

how is that a good point?

[elijahcraig]

Technically, that is true. Communism is stateless and classless, this can only occur when all are communist...so you would have no enemies. Though I'm sure some problems would arise...there would be no "crushing", but debate.

[2ndinternational]

I once talked to a guy who claimed that Mao was responsible for the death of a fifth of the population of China. During the revoution that would have been around 120,000,000 people. This is the worst kind of hyperbole. If you want good information about the facts of how the revolution was fought read a book called "Fanshen" or "China Shakes the World". Also read Mao's writings. Mao was not responsible personally for the the terror as minor as it was, mainly being carried out by the masses of oppressed against the landlords and collaborators. I always refer to a Mark Twain quote when confronted with the argument against violence or the over inflation of communist crimes -


There were two "Reigns of Terror" if we could only but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon a thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the horrors of the minor terror, the momentary terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by axe compared with the lifelong death from hunger, cold insult, cruelty and heartbreak? What is swift death by lightning compared with slow death by fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by the brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by the older and real Terror - that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

Even the "horrors" of Stalin are routinely overstated. One guy I talked to recently claimed that Stalin was responsible for the deaths of 60,000,000 people. That was well over half of the population of the Soviet Union back then. He of course was adding in the 20,000,000 who died in WW2. I've always preferred to hold Hitler accountable for that. Some people will go to any lengths to pervert reality.

One must understand that all these numbers and stories are magnified to constantly indoctrinate the proletariat against itself. On the flip side of their accusations is their own brutality in Africa, Indonesia and elsewhere. So this magnification also stands to hide their own crimes.

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 05:48 AM
some person i know.hes a cappie.but a nice guy,i just lost most respect for him.is it true that mao killed any1 who didnt agree with him?
Why would you defend someone you don't know a whole lot about?

[Xvall]

Why do you say this like it is something surprising? Capitalists bash everyone from Marx, to Mao, to Lenin, to Stalin, to Che, to (Insert anyone who isn't a capitalist here) on a daily basis. Oooh, yeah. People really need to do their math. Once someone gave me all the statistics, and when I looked into it, they were claiming that 120% of the Soviet population was killed.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Why would you defend someone you don't know a whole lot about?


i do..i just wanted to know you guys opinoin...

[lostsoul]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 05:44 AM
HE WAS SAYING HE KILLED ANYONE WHO OPPOSED HIS VIEW ON THINGS....AND THAT HE WAS INSANE.
I like Mao alot..but i have to agree with your friend. Although Mao didn't kill "anyone", he killed people who were against him.

And there is a fine line between being a genious and insane, I have discussed this subject with many people and i still can't figure out which one he was. I guess since he was successful he would be considered a "genious"..unlike Hilter who failed and hense is "insane". Any way you look at it, he was not normal (on a side note, i think when he was younger he was the best..the 30 years of fighting, i believe, seriously affect up his thinking).

[Sasafrás]

Cheguevara717, with all due respect, babycakes, I agree with YouKnowTheyMurderedX. If you have to ask us if it's true that Mao killed people who disagreed with him, I don't think you know much about him. I mean, what could you have said to defend him?

Example:

The Cappie: Mao killed everyone who didn't agree with him!
You: No he didn't, you cappie bastard!!!!!
The Cappie: Yes, he did, you communist!
You: NOOOOOOOO!
The Cappie: Whatever, dude.
You: You're wrooooonnngggg!
The Cappie: What?
You: Ok.

I'm sorry. I just don't get you.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

naw your wrong......i just wanted to know if you guys agreed with him or not.plus you dont know me so please dont make ridiculous statements like "i dont get you".and i dont appreciate your stupid and immature reinactment of my little "disagreement" that i had a few days ago.

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 12:06 AM
naw your wrong......i just wanted to know if you guys agreed with him or not.plus you dont know me so please dont make ridiculous statements like "i dont get you".and i dont appreciate your stupid and immature reinactment of my little "disagreement" that i had a few days ago.
LOL! Oh my God.. It's just that you come off to me as being some 14 year old kid who's trying to be a rebel and who really doesn't know what's going on. Seriously. I do not mean that in a bad way. I respect you for being here. Obviously, you want to learn more. But your antics make me laugh... :)

[Comrade Ceausescu]

true i am young.i know whats going on.i think its very disrespectul to say i dont.you have been quite rude to me.


p.s. i am not a rebel,i'm a communsit.if you call that a rebel then fine.and i bet i know more about communism then you did when you were my age.plus there are many smart young people here that i respect such as "commie boy".

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 12:37 AM
true i am young.i know whats going on.i think its very disrespectul to say i dont.you have been quite rude to me.


p.s. i am not a rebel,i'm a communsit.if you call that a rebel then fine.and i bet i know more about communism then you did when you were my age.plus there are many smart young people here that i respect such as "commie boy".
I didn't accuse you of being clueless, it just seems like you would be. I meant no disrespect. I'm sorry if it came out that way. I'm just a grammar freak, and it bothers me when people misspell words and use bad syntax. Such actions make me assume that you're a 12 year old or just plain stupid. But, that's not always true. People get used to using internet slang and shorthand, lol, j/k, brb, c-u-l8r, dood. :)

Anyway, how old are you and where are you from, young man?

I'm 18 ('ll be 19 in February) and from good ol' Memphis, Tennessee. Depending on your age, you may know more about communism than I knew at your age.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

i'm 14 and live in maryland very close to the border of dc.

[Sasafrás]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2003, 12:55 AM
i'm 14 and live in maryland very close to the border of dc.
Yeah, when I was 14, if I remember correctly, I was just getting in my rebel phase and all I listened to was Korn, Limp Bizkit, and vagina music like Fiona Apple and Tori Amos. And I wore JNCO's! But I only had 1 pair because they were so expensive. But, I didn't know too much about communism, anarchism, or socialism.

Man, those were the days... :)

[crazy comie]

I dislike mao becuse he killed all the intellectuals becuse they were inteligent and there for a threat to him. maoism invocs a dictatorship of the party and not the prolitarin. he is as bad as stalin niether of them where true communists.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

thats garbage go to the maoist international movement site.mao didnt hate intellectuals.cuz he was one a lot,he was very smart.

[crazy comie]

i was talkin about mao not his movement. He had the same policys as stalin.

[Xvall]

You're thinking of Pol Pot. I agree with Lost Soul in that he was much more charismatic when he was younger. Years of combat and struggling will do that to you. I also noticed, while not as dramatic of a change, Lenin also shared some of those attributes. In his earlier days, he was far more vibrant and probably even more 'liberal' than in his ending days. Time does this to everyone. Even short times will do this. Just look at some of the members on this site that have been here for a very long time. I remember a lot of people were really energetic. Now everyone seems a little bit sluggish and depressed. (More like a lot bit.)

[crazy comie]

how did his policys differ from stalin he had similer mass industrealisation plans. he also had crazy agricultural plans wich stalin didn't have.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

yeat both stalin and mao's industrialasation policies were a great success!aernt you called "crazy commie".how can you consider yourself a communist without admiring mao?

[crazy comie]

i just dissagre with certain policys like the cultural revoulotion.l

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 09:46 AM
yeat both stalin and mao's industrialasation policies were a great success!aernt you called "crazy commie".how can you consider yourself a communist without admiring mao?
I suggest you read the book "No tears for mao"..

[Indysocialist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 09:46 AM
yeat both stalin and mao's industrialasation policies were a great success!aernt you called "crazy commie".how can you consider yourself a communist without admiring mao?
I will give you this, you know more about Communism then I did at age 14 (all I knew was Stalin and Lenin), but statements like "How can you consider yourself a communist without admiring Mao?" is like saying "How can you consider yourself a Democrat without admiring Woodrow Wilson?" You can easily be a Communist without ANYBODY! You could call Marx a stupid fuck till the cows come home (although you would deserve a good kick in the teeth) but if you know the ideas, you've read the books, then who gives a shit who you admire. This isn't a religion, contrary to what some people would say, we don't need idols or pictures or shit like that, Capitalists do.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I suggest you read the book "No tears for mao"..

i'm sorry.i dont read these so called "tell all" books that are really not true.i have read a couple,but have come to the conclusion that the writers are simply a bunch of bumbling idiots trying to make some cash by writing "shocking" books.

[elijahcraig]

What exactly do so-called "Communists" consider the "authoritative" revolution, meaning the "suppression" of bourgeois counter-revolutionaries? Is this all nonsense? Engels and Marx recognized this. Those with "weak stomachs" would not do well when the time came to deal out death to the enemies of the people.

[Urban Rubble]

I don't think being wary about killing someone means you have a weak stomach. Think about all of Stalins purges, do you not think there were mistakes and that alot of those people may have been innocent ? Does this never cross your mind ?

[elijahcraig]

I'm sure there were a few innocents, but that does not change the fact that fighting bourgeois counter-revolutionaries is absolutely necessary. Thus, the weak stomach comment.

[Finality]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2003, 11:51 PM
I'm sure there were a few innocents, but that does not change the fact that fighting bourgeois counter-revolutionaries is absolutely necessary. Thus, the weak stomach comment.
And how do you determine who is a bourgeoise and who is willing to change once the change comes?

[elijahcraig]

Purging the party means throwing those who do not follow the party line out of the party. Anyone who is a factionalist, revisionist, or who threatens to overthrow the revolution.

[Finality]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2003, 07:08 PM
Purging the party means throwing those who do not follow the party line out of the party. Anyone who is a factionalist, revisionist, or who threatens to overthrow the revolution.
I was talking more of the common people. What if some of them don't agree with you?

[elijahcraig]

The only reason "purging" of "common people" would be needed would be if they attempted to, or had plans to, overthrow the socialist state. An example would be Cuba this year, they jailed 75 "political dissidents", all of them who had plans to subvert the government and assassinate Fidel (something they've tried many times). What occured? They went to prison. In a bigger socialist state, which would not be afraid of US Imperialism running over them for things they did, these 75 pro-Imperialists could be executed. No Orwellian combing of the populace is needed.

[crazy comie]

MAO DIDN'T NEED TO KILL MOST OF THE PEPOLE HE KILLED. HALF OF THEM WHERE KILLED BECUSE THEY WHERE FORSED TO WORK TO HARD.

[lostsoul]

Originally posted by crazy [email protected] 26 2003, 12:55 PM
MAO DIDN'T NEED TO KILL MOST OF THE PEPOLE HE KILLED. HALF OF THEM WHERE KILLED BECUSE THEY WHERE FORSED TO WORK TO HARD.
I am not sure, but would their deaths be his fault or the past goverments?

While all nations were envolving and improving their productions, China was pretty much the same. Within about 25 years, he took a backwards country and set it up to become the next super power.

On one hand, Mao did some bad things(but unintentionaly often), and yet he made china become so strong.

Same can be said about Stalin, except his bad thing was intentional often.

[Xvall]

Turn of Caps Lock.

[FistFullOfSteel]

yep..lostsoul right

[crazy comie]

The thing is china has a crap technolgy becuse of mao's cultural revouloution i mean all it makes are cloths cheep toys ruber etc. nothing high tech.

[lostsoul]

Originally posted by crazy [email protected] 27 2003, 02:21 PM
The thing is china has a crap technolgy becuse of mao's cultural revouloution i mean all it makes are cloths cheep toys ruber etc. nothing high tech.
This has always puzzled me. I work in the IT field and many of my co-workers are Chinese, and many of my chinese friends constantly tell me that too many chinese are into computers.

Yet their country has the shittiest technology. I can't understand why they would leave China and work here, instead of starting a company themselfs in China.

But i don't see how the cultural revolution affected china's technology industry.

[crazy comie]

It made alot of the technitions and scientists leave the country as well as a lot of them being killed wich ment china didn't have many left.