democrates and communists...cant we get along?

[commieboy]

she's coming to a rally or somthing in a week or so, and i want to go with my mom who thinks she'll be the next prez. and i want to wear a Che shirt, and i would love to get a picture with her, but everyone in my family said she'd never take a picture with a communist symbol. Think its true? or my parents dont like che too much?

[elijahcraig]

Who are you talking about? Democrates? Democrats?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

i fucking hate hillary.difference between democrats and republicans:would you rather be fucked by someone who says there not gonna fuck you and they fuck u,or by someone who says they're gonna fuck you and they fuck you.

[commieboy]

my bad elija, i cant spell for shit. But i dont care what you think of the party, i like hilary, i dont know why just i do for some wierd reason. I think its cool that she didn't chop bill into little pieces and fed it to the family dog. after he got head from that ugly ass intern monaca luinski.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

lol she shouldve

[elijahcraig]

If you can't understand that she did that as a political move, you are being naive. She is a capitalist. The enemy. Democrats are no different than Republicans. If you want to be drawn into the hands of their propaganda, so be it. It's pathetic nonetheless. It'd be better if she were sent to the gulag with her husband and his whores.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

again the difference between the democrat and republican:would you rather be fucked by someone who says there not gonna fuck you and they fuck u,or by someone who says they're gonna fuck you and they fuck you.

[elijahcraig]

From a communist standpoint, a republican in office would be better in the long-term.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

no way!at least democrats sympathize with us more then that idiot from texas.

[elijahcraig]

Do we want the masses to see they are being fucked, or do you want them to be fucked and not see they are being fucked? We want the first because they will see the problem, while democrats hide the problem from their eyes...pushing revolution away, and slipping the illusion of freedom into their faces.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

yes thats true you are right.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 06:19 AM
no way!at least democrats sympathize with us more then that idiot from texas.
Bush will try to lead us to fascism, fascism = bad, democrats also suck but reform is sometimes a good thing, as long as people don't think that reform is permanant or substancial. Hitler led to fascism, did that bring communism? No, only death. This is also the legacy of Bush. We need someone that will not dilute our efforts with massive distractionary tactics. A democrat means more support and less struggle, we need this now.

[elijahcraig]

I disagree.

Reform leads to illusion. Hope in reform is a bad thing. I also don't think the American government becoming fascist is possible. Though something similar could be produced. Revolution arises from oppression, not only oppression, but realization of oppression...not illusions of reform and betterment which are actually oppression.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Cuba and the Nazi Fascism
Speech given by Dr. Fidel Castro Ruz,
President of the Republic of Cuba,
at the May Day rally held in Revolution Square.
Havana, May 1, 2003
Distinguished guests;
Dear fellow Cubans:
Our heroic people have struggled for 44 years from this small Caribbean island just a few miles away from the most formidable imperial power ever known by mankind. In so doing, they have written an unprecedented chapter in history. Never has the world witnessed such an unequal fight.
Some may have believed that the rise of the empire to the status of the sole superpower, with a military and technological might with no balancing pole anywhere in the world, would frighten or dishearten the Cuban people. Yet, today they have no choice but to watch in amazement the enhanced courage of this valiant people. On a day like today, this glorious international workers’ day, which commemorates the death of the five martyrs of Chicago, I declare, on behalf of the one million Cubans gathered here, that we will face up to any threats, we will not yield to any pressures, and that we are prepared to defend our homeland and our Revolution with ideas and with weapons to our last drop of blood.
What is Cuba’s sin? What honest person has any reason to attack her?
With their own blood and the weapons seized from the enemy, the Cuban people overthrew a cruel tyranny with 80,000 men under arms, imposed by the U.S. government.
Cuba was the first territory free from imperialist domination in Latin America and the Caribbean, and the only country in the hemisphere, throughout post-colonial history, where the torturers, murderers and war criminals that took the lives of tens of thousands of people were exemplarily punished.
All of the country’s land was recovered and turned over to the peasants and agricultural workers. The natural resources, industries and basic services were placed in the hands of their only true owner: the Cuban nation.
In less than 72 hours, fighting ceaselessly, day and night, Cuba crushed the Bay of Pigs mercenary invasion organized by a U.S. administration, thereby preventing a direct military intervention by this country and a war of incalculable consequences. The Revolution already had the Rebel Army, over 400,000 weapons and hundreds of thousands of militia members.
In 1962, Cuba confronted with honor, and without a single concession, the risk of being attacked with dozens of nuclear weapons.
It defeated the dirty war that spread throughout the entire country, at a cost in human lives even greater than that of the war of liberation.
It stoically endured thousands of acts of sabotage and terrorist attacks organized by the U.S. government.
It thwarted hundreds of assassination plots against the leaders of the Revolution.
While under a rigorous blockade and economic warfare that have lasted for almost half a century, Cuba was able to eradicate in just one year the illiteracy that has still not been overcome in the course of more than four decades by the rest of the countries of Latin America, or the United States itself.
It has brought free education to 100% of the country’s children.
It has the highest school retention rate -over 99% between kindergarten and ninth grade- of all of the nations in the hemisphere.
Its elementary school students rank first worldwide in the knowledge of their mother language and mathematics.
The country also ranks first worldwide with the highest number of teachers per capita and the lowest number of students per classroom.
All children with physical or mental challenges are enrolled in special schools.
Computer education and the use of audiovisual methods now extend to all of the country’s children, adolescents and youth, in both the cities and the countryside.
For the first time in the world, all young people between the ages of 17 and 30, who were previously neither in school nor employed, have been given the opportunity to resume their studies while receiving an allowance.
All citizens have the possibility of undertaking studies that will take them from kindergarten to a doctoral degree without spending a penny.
Today, the country has 30 university graduates, intellectuals and professional artists for every one there was before the Revolution.
The average Cuban citizen today has at the very least a ninth-grade level of education.
Not even functional illiteracy exists in Cuba.
There are schools for the training of artists and art instructors throughout all of the country’s provinces, where over 20,000 young people are currently studying and developing their talent and vocation. Tens of thousands more are doing the same at vocational schools, and many of these then go on to undertake professional studies.
University campuses are progressively spreading to all of the country’s municipalities. Never in any other part of the world has such a colossal educational and cultural revolution taken place as this that will turn Cuba, by far, into the country with the highest degree of knowledge and culture in the world, faithful to MartÃ’s profound conviction that "no freedom is possible without culture."
Infant mortality has been reduced from 60 per 1000 live births to a rate that fluctuates between 6 and 6.5, which is the lowest in the hemisphere, from the United States to Patagonia.
Life expectancy has increased by 15 years.
Infectious and contagious diseases like polio, malaria, neonatal tetanus, diphtheria, measles, rubella, mumps, whooping cough and dengue have been eradicated; others like tetanus, meningococcal meningitis, hepatitis B, leprosy, hemophilus meningitis and tuberculosis are fully controlled.
Tday, in our country, people die of the same causes as in the most highly developed countries: cardiovascular diseases, cancer, accidents, and others, but with a much lower incidence.
A profound revolution is underway to bring medical services closer to the population, in order to facilitate access to health care centers, save lives and alleviate suffering.
In-depth research is being carried out to break the chain, mitigate or reduce to a minimum the problems that result from genetic, prenatal or childbirth-related causes.
Cuba is today the country with the highest number of doctors per capita in the world, with almost twice as many as those that follow closer.
Our scientific centers are working relentlessly to find preventive or therapeutic solutions for the most serious diseases.
Cubans will have the best healthcare system in the world, and will continue to receive all services absolutely free of charge.
Social security covers 100% of the country’s citizens.
In Cuba, 85% of the people own their homes and they pay no property taxes on them whatsoever. The remaining 15% pay a wholly symbolic rent, which is only 10% of their salary.
Illegal drug use involves a negligible percentage of the population, and is being resolutely combated.
Lottery and other forms of gambling have been banned since the first years of the Revolution to ensure that no one pins their hopes of progress on luck.
There is no commercial advertising on Cuban television and radio or in our printed publications. Instead, these feature public service announcements concerning health, education, culture, physical education, sports, recreation, environmental protection, and the fight against drugs, accidents and other social problems. Our media educate, they do not poison or alienate. They do not worship or exalt the values of decadent consumer societies.
There is no cult of personality around any living revolutionary, in the form of statues, official photographs, or the names of streets or institutions. The leaders of this country are human beings, not gods.
In our country there are no paramilitary forces or death squads, nor has violence ever been used against the people; there are no extrajudicial executions or torture. The people have always massively supported the activities of the Revolution. This rally today is proof of that.
Light years separate our society from what has prevailed until today in the rest of the world. We cultivate brotherhood and solidarity among individuals and peoples both in the country and abroad.
The new generations and the entire people are being educated about the need to protect the environment. The media are used to build environmental awareness.
Our country steadfastly defends its cultural identity, assimilating the best of other cultures while resolutely combating everything that distorts, alienates and degrades.
The development of wholesome, non-professional sports has raised our people to the highest ranks worldwide in medals and honors.
Scientific research, at the service of our people and all humanity, has increased several-hundredfold. As a result of these efforts, important medications are saving lives in Cuba and other countries.
Cuba has never undertaken research or development of a single biological weapon, because this would be in total contradiction with the principles and philosophy underlying the education of our scientific personnel, past and present.
In no other people has the spirit of international solidarity become so deeply rooted.
Our country supported the Algerian patriots in their struggle against French colonialism, at the cost of damaging political and economic relations with such an important European country as France.
We sent weapons and troops to defend Algeria from Moroccan expansionism, when the king of this country sought to take control of the iron mines of Gara Djebilet, near the city of Tindouf, in southwest Algeria.
At the request of the Arab nation of Syria, a full tank brigade stood guard between 1973 and 1975 alongside the Golan Heights, when this territory was unjustly seized from that country.
The leader of the Republic of Congo when it first achieved independence, Patrice Lumumba, who was harassed from abroad, received our political support. When he was assassinated by the colonial powers in January of 1961, we lent assistance to his followers.
Four years later, in 1965, Cuban blood was shed in the western region of Lake Tanganyika, where Che Guevara and more than 100 Cuban instructors supported the Congolese rebels who were fighting against white mercenaries in the service of the man supported by the West, that is, Mobutu whose 40 billion dollars, the same that he stole, nobody knows what European banks they are kept in, or in whose power.
The blood of Cuban instructors was shed while training and supporting the combatants of the African Party for the Independence of Guinea and Cape Verde, who fought under the command of Amilcar Cabral for the liberation of these former Portuguese colonies.
The same was true during the ten years that Cuba supported Agostinho Neto’s MPLA in the struggle for the independence of Angola. After independence was achieved, and over the course of 15 years, hundreds of thousands of Cuban volunteers participated in defending Angola from the attacks of racist South African troops that in complicity with the United States, and using dirty war tactics, planted millions of mines, wiped out entire villages, and murdered more than half a million Angolan men, women and children.
In Cuito Cuanavale and on the Namibian border, to the southwest of Angola, Angolan and Namibian forces together with 40,000 Cuban troops dealt the final blow to the South African troops. This resulted in the immediate liberation of Namibia and speeded up the end of apartheid by perhaps 20 to 25 years. At the time, the South Africans had seven nuclear warheads that Israel had supplied to them or helped them to produce, with the full knowledge and complicity of the U.S.
government.
Throughout the course of almost 15 years, Cuba had a place of honor in its solidarity with the heroic people of Viet Nam, caught up in a barbaric and brutal war with the United States. That war killed four million Vietnamese, in addition to all those left wounded and mutilated, not to mention the fact that the country was inundated with chemical compounds that continue to cause incalculable damage. The pretext: Viet Nam, a poor and underdeveloped country located 20,000 kilometers away, constituted a threat to the national security of the United States.
Cuban blood was shed together with that of citizens of numerous Latin American countries, and together with the Cuban and Latin American blood of Che Guevara, murdered on instructions from U.S. agents in Bolivia, when he was wounded and being held prisoner after his weapon had been rendered useless by a shot received in battle.
The blood of Cuban construction workers, that were nearing completion of an international airport vital for the economy of a tiny island fully dependent on tourism, was shed fighting in defense of Grenada, invaded by the United States under cynical pretexts.
Cuban blood was shed in Nicaragua, when instructors from our Armed Forces were training the brave Nicaraguan soldiers confronting the dirty war organized and armed by the United States against the Sandinista revolution.
And there are even more examples.
Over 2000 heroic Cuban internationalist combatants gave their lives fulfilling the sacred duty of supporting the liberation struggles for the independence of other sister nations. However, there is not one single Cuban property in any of those countries. No other country in our era has exhibited such sincere and selfless solidarity.
Cuba has always preached by example. It has never given in.
It has never sold out the cause of another people. It has never made concessions. It has never betrayed its principles. There must be some reason why, just 48 hours ago, it was reelected by acclamation in the United Nations Economic and Social Council to another three years in the Commission on Human Rights, of which it has now been a member for 15 straight years.
More than half a million Cubans have carried out internationalist missions as combatants, as teachers, as technicians or as doctors and health care workers. Tens of thousands of the latter have provided their services and saved millions of lives over the course of more than 40 years. There are currently 3000 specialists in Comprehensive General Medicine and other healthcare personnel working in the most isolated regions of 18 Third World countries.
Through preventive and therapeutic methods they save hundreds of thousands of lives every year, and maintain or restore the health of millions of people, without charging a penny for their services.
Without the Cuban doctors offered to the United Nations in the event that the necessary funds are obtained -without which entire nations and even whole regions of sub-Saharan Africa face the risk of perishing- the crucial programs urgently needed to fight AIDS would be impossible to carry out.
The developed capitalist world has created abundant financial capital, but it has not in any way created the human capital that the Third World desperately needs.
Cuba has developed techniques to teach reading and writing by radio, with accompanying texts now available in five languages -Haitian Creole, Portuguese, French, English and Spanish- that are already being used in numerous countries.
It is nearing completion of a similar program in Spanish, of exceptionally high quality, to teach literacy by television.
These are programs that were developed in Cuba and are genuinely Cuban. We are not interested in patents and exclusive copyrights. We are willing to offer them to all of the countries of the Third World, where most of the world’s illiterates are concentrated, without charging a penny. In five years, the 800 million illiterate people in the world could be reduced by 80%, at a minimal cost.
After the demise of the USSR and the socialist bloc, nobody would have bet a dime on the survival of the Cuban Revolution. The United States tightened the blockade. The Torricelli and Helms-Burton Acts were adopted, the latter extraterritorial in nature. We abruptly lost our main markets and supplies sources. The population’s average calorie and protein consumption was reduced by almost half.
But our country withstood the pressures and even advanced considerably in the social field.
Today, it has largely recovered with regard to nutritional requirements and is rapidly progressing in other fields.
Even in these conditions, the work undertaken and the consciousness built throughout the years succeeded in working miracles. Why have we endured? Because the Revolution has always had, as it still does and always will to an ever-greater degree, the support of the people, an intelligent people, increasingly united, educated and combative.
Cuba was the first country to extend its solidarity to the people of the United States on September 11, 2001. It was also the first to warn of the neo-fascist nature of the policy that the extreme right in the United States, which fraudulently came to power in November of 2000, was planning to impose on the rest of the world. This policy did not emerge as a response to the atrocious terrorist attack perpetrated against the people of the United States by members of a fanatical organization that had served other U.S. administrations in the past. It was coldly and carefully conceived and developed, which explains the country’s military build-up and enormous spending on weapons at a time when the Cold War was already over, and long before September 11, 2001. The fateful events of that day served as an ideal pretext for the implementation of such policy.
On September 20 of that year, President Bush openly expressed this before a Congress shaken by the tragic events of nine days earlier. Using bizarre terminology, he spoke of "infinite justice" as the goal of a war that would apparently be infinite as well.
"Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen."
"We will use every necessary weapon of war."
"Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make.
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
"I’ve called the Armed Forces to alert, and there is a reason. The hour is coming when America will act."
"This is civilization’s fight."
"...the great achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time – now depends on us."
"The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain ... and we know that God is not neutral."
Did a statesman or an unbridled fanatic speak these words?
Two days later, on September 22, Cuba denounced this speech as the blueprint for the idea of a global military dictatorship imposed through brute force, without international laws or institutions of any kind.
"The United Nations Organization, simply ignored in the present crisis, would fail to have any authority or prerogative whatsoever. There would be only one boss, only one judge, and only one law."
Several months later, on the 200th anniversary of West Point Military Academy, at the graduation exercise for 958 cadets on June 3, 2002, President Bush further elaborated on this line of thinking in a fiery harangue to the young soldiers graduating that day, in which he put forward his fundamental fixed ideas:
"Our security will require transforming the military you will lead – a military that must be ready to strike at a moment’s notice in any dark corner of the world. And our security will require all Americans to be forward-looking and resolute, to be ready for preemptive action when necessary to defend our liberty and to defend our lives."
"We must uncover terror cells in 60 or more countries..."
"...we will send you, our soldiers, where you’re needed."
"We will not leave the safety of America and the peace of the planet at the mercy of a few mad terrorists and tyrants.
We will lift this dark threat from our country and from the world."
"Some worry that it is somehow undiplomatic or impolite to speak the language of right and wrong. I disagree. ... We are in a conflict between good and evil, and America will call evil by its name. By confronting evil and lawless regimes, we do not create a problem, we reveal a problem.
And we will lead the world in opposing it."
In the speech I delivered at a rally held in General Antonio Maceo Square in Santiago de Cuba, on June 8, 2002, before half a million people of Santiago, I said:
"As you can see, he doesn’t mention once in his speech (at West Point) the United Nations Organization. Nor is there a phrase about every people’s right to safety and peace, or about the need for a world ruled by principles and norms."
"Hardly two thirds of a century has passed since humanity went through the bitter experience of Nazism. Fear was Hitler’s inseparable ally against his adversaries... Later, his fearful military force [led to] the outbreak of a war that would inflame the whole world. The lack of vision and the cowardice of the statesmen in the strongest European powers of the time opened the way to a great tragedy.
"I don’t think that a fascist regime can be established in the United States. Serious mistakes have been made and injustices committed in the framework of its political system – many of them still persist – but the American people still have a number of institutions and traditions, as well as educational, cultural and ethical values that would hardly allow that to happen. The risk exists in the international arena. The power and prerogatives of that country’s president are so extensive, and the economic, technological and military power network in that nation is so pervasive that due to circumstances that fully escape the will of the American people, the world is coming under the rule of Nazi concepts and methods."
"The miserable insects that live in 60 or more countries of the world chosen by him and his closest assistants – and in the case of Cuba by his Miami friends – are completely irrelevant. They are the ‘dark corners of the world’ that may become the targets of their unannounced and ‘preemptive’ attacks. Not only is Cuba one of those countries, but it has also been included among those that sponsor terror."
I mentioned the idea of a world tyranny for the first time exactly one year, three months and 19 days before the attack on Iraq.
In the days prior to the beginning of the war, President Bush repeated once again that the United States would use, if necessary, any means within its arsenal, in other words, nuclear weapons, chemical weapons and biological weapons.
The attack on and occupation of Afghanistan had already taken place.
Today the so-called "dissidents", actually mercenaries on the payroll of the Bush’s Hitler-like government, are betraying not only their homeland, but all of humanity as well.
In the face of the sinister plans against our country on the part of the neo-fascist extreme right and its allies in the Miami terrorist mob that ensured its victory through electoral fraud, I wonder how many of those individuals with supposedly leftist and humanistic stances who have attacked our people over the legal measures we were forced to adopt as a legitimate defense against the aggressive plans of the superpower, located just a few miles off our coasts and with a military base on our own territory, have been able to read these words. We wonder how many have recognized, denounced and condemned the policy announced in the speeches by Mr.
Bush that I have quoted, which reveal a sinister Nazi-fascist international policy on the part of the leader of the country with the most powerful military force ever imagined, whose weapons could destroy the defenseless humanity ten times over.
The entire world has been mobilized by the terrifying images of cities destroyed and burned by brutal bombing, images of maimed children and the shattered corpses of innocent people.
Leaving aside the blatantly opportunistic, demagogic and petty political groups we know all too well, I am now going to refer fundamentally to those who were friends of Cuba and respected fighters in the struggle. We would not want those who have, in our opinion, attacked Cuba unjustly, due to disinformation or a lack of careful and profound analysis, to have to suffer the infinite sorrow they will feel if one day our cities are destroyed and our children and mothers, women and men, young and old, are torn apart by the bombs of Nazi-fascism, and they realize that their declarations were shamelessly manipulated by the aggressors to justify a military attack on Cuba.
Solely the numbers of children murdered and mutilated cannot be the measure of the human damage but also the millions of children and mothers, women and men, young and old, who remain traumatized for the rest of their lives.
We fully respect the opinions of those who oppose capital punishment for religious, philosophical and humanitarian reasons. We Cuban revolutionaries also abhor capital punishment, for much more profound reasons than those addressed by the social sciences with regard to crime, currently under study in our country. The day will come when we can accede to the wishes for the abolition of such penalty so nobly expressed here by Reverend Lucius Walker in his brilliant speech. The special concern over this issue is easily understood when you know that the majority of the people executed in the United States are African American and Hispanic, and not infrequently they are innocent, especially in Texas, the champion of death sentences, where President Bush was formerly the governor, and not a single life has ever been pardoned.
The Cuban Revolution was placed in the dilemma of either protecting the lives of millions of Cubans by using the legally established death penalty to punish the three main hijackers of a passenger ferry or sitting back and doing nothing. The U.S. government, which incites common criminals to assault boats or airplanes with passengers on board, encourages these people gravely endangering the lives of innocents and creating the ideal conditions for an attack on Cuba. A wave of hijackings had been unleashed and was already in full development; it had to be stopped.
We cannot ever hesitate when it is a question of protecting the lives of the sons and daughters of a people determined to fight until the end, arresting the mercenaries who serve the aggressors and applying the most severe sanctions against terrorists who hijack passenger boats or planes or commit similarly serious acts, who will be punished by the courts in accordance with the laws in force.
Not even Jesus Christ, who drove the traders out of the temple with a whip, would fail to opt for the defense of the people.
I feel sincere and profound respect for His Holiness Pope John Paul II. I understand and admire his noble struggle for life and peace. Nobody opposed the war in Iraq as much and as tenaciously as he did. I am absolutely certain that he would have never counseled the Shiites and Sunni Muslims to let them be killed without defending themselves. He would not counsel the Cubans to do such a thing, either. He knows perfectly well that this is not a problem between Cubans.
This is a problem between the people of Cuba and the government of the United States.
The policy of the U.S. government is so brazenly provocative that on April 25, Mr. Kevin Whitaker, chief of the Cuban Bureau at the State Department, informed the head of our Interests Section in Washington that the National Security Council’s Department of Homeland Security considered the continued hijackings from Cuba a serious threat to the national security of the United States, and requested that the Cuban government adopt all of the necessary measures to prevent such acts.
He said this as if they were not the ones who provoke and encourage these hijackings, and as if we were not the ones who adopt drastic measures to prevent them, in order to protect the lives and safety of passengers, and being fully aware for some time now of the criminal plans of the fascist extreme right against Cuba. When news of this contact on the 25 was leaked, it stirred up the Miami terrorist mob. They still do not understand that their direct or indirect threats against Cuba do not frighten anyone in this country.
The hypocrisy of Western politicians and a large group of mediocre leaders is so huge that it would not fit in the Atlantic Ocean. Any measure that Cuba adopts for the purposes of its legitimate defense is reported among the top stories in almost all of the media. On the other hand, when we pointed out that during the term in office of a Spanish head of government, dozens of ETA members were executed without trial, without anyone protesting or denouncing it before the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, or that another Spanish head of government, at a difficult moment in the war in Kosovo, advised the U.S. president to step up the war, increase the bombing and attack civilian targets, thus causing the deaths of hundreds of innocent people and tremendous suffering for millions of people, the headlines merely stated, "Castro attacks Felipe and Aznar".
Not a word was said about the real content.
In Miami and Washington they are now discussing where, how and when Cuba will be attacked or the problem of the Revolution will be solved.
For the moment, there is talk of economic measures that will further intensify the brutal blockade, but they still do not know which to choose, who they will resign themselves to alienating, and how effective these measures may be. There are very few left for them to choose from. They have already used up almost all of them.
A shameless scoundrel with the poorly chosen first name Lincoln, and the last name DÃaz-Balart, an intimate friend and advisor of President Bush, has made this enigmatic statement to a Miami TV station: "I can’t go into details, but we’re trying to break this vicious cycle."
What methods are they considering to deal with this vicious cycle? Physically eliminating me with the sophisticated modern means they have developed, as Mr. Bush promised them in Texas before the elections? Or attacking Cuba the way they attacked Iraq?
If it were the former, it does not worry me in the least.
The ideas for which I have fought all my life will not die, and they will live on for a long time.
If the solution were to attack Cuba like Iraq, I would suffer greatly because of the cost in lives and the enormous destruction it would bring on Cuba. But, it might turn out to be the last of this Administration’s fascist attacks, because the struggle would last a very long time.
The aggressors would not merely be facing an army, but rather thousands of armies that would constantly reproduce themselves and make the enemy pay such a high cost in casualties that it would far exceed the cost in lives of its sons and daughters that the American people would be willing to pay for the adventures and ideas of President Bush.
Today, he enjoys majority support, but it is dropping, and tomorrow it could be reduced to zero.
The American people, the millions of highly cultivated individuals who reason and think, their basic ethical principles, the tens of millions of computers with which to communicate, hundreds of times more than at the end of the Viet Nam war, will show that you cannot fool all of the people, and perhaps not even part of the people, all of the time. One day they will put a straightjacket on those who need it before they manage to annihilate life on the planet.
On behalf of the one million people gathered here this May Day, I want to convey a message to the world and the American people:
We do not want the blood of Cubans and Americans to be shed in a war. We do not want a countless number of lives of people who could be friends to be lost in an armed conflict.
But never has a people had such sacred things to defend, or such profound convictions to fight for, to such a degree that they would rather be obliterated from the face of the Earth than abandon the noble and generous work for which so many generations of Cubans have paid the high cost of the lives of many of their finest sons and daughters.
We are sustained by the deepest conviction that ideas are worth more than weapons, no matter how sophisticated and powerful those weapons may be.
Let us say like Che Guevara when he bid us farewell:
Ever onward to victory!






FIDEL IS RIGHT!

[elijahcraig]

Great speech. I read it a few months ago.

Fascist? Unless the corporate-state coverge completely, it is not fascism. Period. In America there are ties, but it is not complete convergence of state and corporatism. The word "fascist" is a good one in which to attack the imperialists with, I don't see anything wrong with using it as a "propaganda word", it brings attention against your enemies.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

bush is using a facist like regime to conquer the middle east.

[SonofRage]

I can't say I'm a Hillary fan. I mean think about it. She must have known that Bill liked getting his pole smoked, but she didn't do it. He had to go to his hog of on intern to get some suckage. She put the country at risk. :D

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 06:23 AM
Do we want the masses to see they are being fucked, or do you want them to be fucked and not see they are being fucked? We want the first because they will see the problem, while democrats hide the problem from their eyes...pushing revolution away, and slipping the illusion of freedom into their faces.
I disagree. The only way for workers to be disillusioned is for them to fight in whatever way they find and learn from their mistakes. If the workers fell that the Democrats will save them from Bush, than we should support the Democrats in a critical way. That way we show our support for the improvement of the workers' conditions but we don't create illusions.

[SonofRage]

I think how I feel about the Democrats can be best summed up by this Arab proverb:

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

[commieboy]

i just think she'd be a much better president than bush....I would be a better president than bush, anyone who can count to twenty with their shoes on would be better than him...i just would like to meet her and talk with her...i dont see what is wrong with that

[Funky Monk]

I think all Bush needs to be is a figurehead, he works well to settle the fears of those who identify Republicans with the scheming bastards of the Nixon era, he appears sincere, wears his heart on his sleeve sort of thing. It is the people behind him who are going to do most of the driving, Bush is leaning out of the passenger seat window waving.

Plus he appeals to the Christian voter. I cant really see too much of a left wing backlash to this regeime

[antieverything]

Fuck Hillary. Maxine Watters invited my parents to come up and see her in Washington. That is cool!

But as to the original question, "can democrats and communists get along?"

It would seem so if you listened to the Communist Party! They have actually used every resource they have to stop the formation of a genuine labor party in the United States and even supported the Democratic take-over of the Minnesota Farmer-Labor party which had reduced the Democratic Party to a small third-party in the state for many years! Now it is the Democratic Farmer-Labor Party but is admittedly more progressive than most state Democratic Parties.

[Bianconero]

Where the difference between Republicans and Democrats anyway? The latter are no cowboys, maybe. But they still deserve death.

[Funky Monk]

As an outside observer i can find little differnet between the major two parties in the American political system. Is it different from the inside?

[elijahcraig]

I disagree. The only way for workers to be disillusioned is for them to fight in whatever way they find and learn from their mistakes. If the workers fell that the Democrats will save them from Bush, than we should support the Democrats in a critical way. That way we show our support for the improvement of the workers' conditions but we don't create illusions.

You are a liberal bourgeois idiot, you are wrong.



i just think she'd be a much better president than bush....I would be a better president than bush, anyone who can count to twenty with their shoes on would be better than him...i just would like to meet her and talk with her...i dont see what is wrong with that

"Better"? I thought you were a communist!!! ??? You are showing very sickening shades of yourself with these naive responses.

[il Commy]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 07:12 PM

I disagree. The only way for workers to be disillusioned is for them to fight in whatever way they find and learn from their mistakes. If the workers fell that the Democrats will save them from Bush, than we should support the Democrats in a critical way. That way we show our support for the improvement of the workers' conditions but we don't create illusions.

You are a liberal bourgeois idiot, you are wrong.
LOL! Those strong words simply convinced me I was wrong!

But maybe I did expressed too "liberaly". What I meant to say is that Bush is more imperialist and anti-workers than the democrats, atleast in words, so it's preferable that a Democrat will become a president, so the workers will stop be illusioned that a Democrat president will help them.

It's similar to Israel '99. In Netanyahu (conservative) era there was a mass unemployment. So everybody voted for Barak (liberal), because they saw him as a great hope, the liberator, almost the messiah. Everybody thought that he will end unemployment. And guess what, he didn't! So everybody was searching for a different direction, many turned to despare. And than came the Intifada and everything changed, Sharon was elected and no one gives a shit about economy. But I don't predict that happening in U$A.

[elijahcraig]

LOL! Those strong words simply convinced me I was wrong!

But maybe I did expressed too "liberaly". What I meant to say is that Bush is more imperialist and anti-workers than the democrats, atleast in words, so it's preferable that a Democrat will become a president, so the workers will stop be illusioned that a Democrat president will help them.

Well, that's another way of looking at it. It works either way.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 03:12 PM
You are a liberal bourgeois idiot, you are wrong.




"Better"? I thought you were a communist!!! ??? You are showing very sickening shades of yourself with these naive responses.
If you can't recognize that just about anyone would be better than the ultra-right Bush Administration then you are the idiot.

[elijahcraig]

No, it has nothing to do with temporary "better" candidates, democrats...republicans. It does not matter. Any clear-thinking communist would understand that, look at things in their totality, and not in short-term...liberal bourgeois democracy.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Elijah, go [email protected]#k yourself :angry:
The democratic party and the republican party both represent the ruling class and therefore they are both our enemies. They are both reactionary, neither are reformist. However, saying that you want to see the working class oppressed more in order to allow them to see the exploitation and revolt as fast as possible is sadistic and you are a sick-minded fuck. The democratic party is not significantly a lesser evil, because, like the republicans, they will do nothing for the proletariat. However, they are not quite as oppressive, selfish, and exploitative as the republicans. Their motives for toning down their evil may be for purely for the persuit of support from the fooled working class, but they are a lesser evil, not socialy, but politicaly. They, like any other bourgeois oragnization, are not to be co-operated with. They will in no way advance our cause, they are reactionary and led by our enemy: the capitalist class. They are by no means a friend of the revolution or of the working class.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 12:04 AM
Elijah, go [email protected]#k yourself :angry:
The democratic party and the republican party both represent the ruling class and therefore they are both our enemies. They are both reactionary, neither are reformist. However, saying that you want to see the working class oppressed more in order to allow them to see the exploitation and revolt as fast as possible is sadistic and you are a sick-minded fuck. The democratic party is not significantly a lesser evil, because, like the republicans, they will do nothing for the proletariat. However, they are not quite as oppressive, selfish, and exploitative as the republicans. Their motives for toning down their evil may be for purely for the persuit of support from the fooled working class, but they are a lesser evil, not socialy, but politicaly. They, like any other bourgeois oragnization, are not to be co-operated with. They will in no way advance our cause, they are reactionary and led by our enemy: the capitalist class. They are by no means a friend of the revolution or of the working class.
Sometimes the "working class" will not hep us to help them. At this point they must eat the meal they have cooked. Reforms will only cause more complacency among the working class. If the appropriate conditions for revolution are not created, they will never be acheived.

Only in times of pure misery will people open their eyes. We can sit and try to educate the people all we want but the fact of the matter is this. The masses do not want to be educated. They are fine with their pathetic trivial lives that consist of bud-lite, fart jokes and married with children re-runs. The truth is evident yet they choose to ignore it. Fantastic ideals are just that VC, fantastic.

The people in the SA looks at their 33 million starvig brothers and sisters with the "better you then me outlook. This level of political incompetence can only be met with severe action. The mother that abuses her child will not see the error of her ways in the bruises on her child's body, however once you take that child away from her, she becomes repentant and changers her wicked ways.


EDIT:

The democratic party in no less selfis, oppressive or exploitative than Republicans. The just choose a different lie to cover up their intentions. Don't be duped.

[SonofRage]

While I agree that there isn't a major difference between the two major political parties in the United States, you can't tell me that a Democrat candidate is not preferable to the fascist Bush Administration. Maybe you are too blinded by ideology to see what's happpening in front of your very eyes. Yes both are the enemy, but when you are fighting two enemies you want to fight the lesser of the two evils.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by COMRADE RAF+Aug 11 2003, 06:31 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (COMRADE RAF @ Aug 11 2003, 06:31 PM)
[email protected] 12 2003, 12:04 AM
Elijah, go [email protected]#k yourself :angry:
The democratic party and the republican party both represent the ruling class and therefore they are both our enemies. They are both reactionary, neither are reformist. However, saying that you want to see the working class oppressed more in order to allow them to see the exploitation and revolt as fast as possible is sadistic and you are a sick-minded fuck. The democratic party is not significantly a lesser evil, because, like the republicans, they will do nothing for the proletariat. However, they are not quite as oppressive, selfish, and exploitative as the republicans. Their motives for toning down their evil may be for purely for the persuit of support from the fooled working class, but they are a lesser evil, not socialy, but politicaly. They, like any other bourgeois oragnization, are not to be co-operated with. They will in no way advance our cause, they are reactionary and led by our enemy: the capitalist class. They are by no means a friend of the revolution or of the working class.
Sometimes the "working class" will not hep us to help them. At this point they must eat the meal they have cooked. Reforms will only cause more complacency among the working class. If the appropriate conditions for revolution are not created, they will never be acheived.

Only in times of pure misery will people open their eyes. We can sit and try to educate the people all we want but the fact of the matter is this. The masses do not want to be educated. They are fine with their pathetic trivial lives that consist of bud-lite, fart jokes and married with children re-runs. The truth is evident yet they choose to ignore it. Fantastic ideals are just that VC, fantastic.

The people in the SA looks at their 33 million starvig brothers and sisters with the "better you then me outlook. This level of political incompetence can only be met with severe action. The mother that abuses her child will not see the error of her ways in the bruises on her child&#39;s body, however once you take that child away from her, she becomes repentant and changers her wicked ways.


EDIT:

The democratic party in no less selfis, oppressive or exploitative than Republicans. The just choose a different lie to cover up their intentions. Don&#39;t be duped. [/b]
The scenario you presented is strictly American and first world. In other parts of the world, where the true working class slave for the bourgeoisie, they would jump at any oportunity to aquire a higher class status. This is sufficiet to sway them to our/their cause. The problem you have illustrated is present in the U&#036;, the working class is a vulgar, mediocre, lefeless bunch who are blinded and see nothing of fault with the oppression that they suffer. All they see is more mediocre, vulgar Americans, an average existance that they have is all they want, they have no idea that they are being oppressed and have no true political influence in "their" government. Any other working class will be willing to help us/themselves. They need no "catalyst" to trigger a revolt. We must remember the fact that we are working fo the working class, allowing them to experience their oppression more intensly is counter-socialist.

[elijahcraig]

VC, if you say the parties are both the same, yet one gives the illusion that it helps the people, and the other does not...that is NOT being "oppressed more", but SEEING the oppression head-on, instead of being fooled and oppressed and having nothing to do.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

how exactly will Americans see the oppression more clearly when George Bush is president, as opposed to when Bill Clinton is president? George Bush, though he may allow Americans to see some more of the ongoing oppression, will do it through an actual increase in oppression.

[elijahcraig]

You&#39;ve got a point. Though the ruling class is hardly distinguishable. In the end, it really doesn&#39;t matter all that much. Americans aren&#39;t going to be "pushed to revolution" either way. I&#39;m not sure on this issue.

[commieboy]

okay the reason i would rather see the democrats in office is that instead of tax breaks to the rich using the "trickle down" system, they give the workingclass people more affordable taxes. and they don&#39;t spend more money on war than education and public housing

[antieverything]

Both have the same base ideology but there are subtle differences...probably due to the "dance with them what brung ya" effect (no that isn&#39;t misspelled in any way)&#33;

The Republicans get huge sums of money (bribes) from corporations and individual capitalists. The Democrats get large sums of money from these people (a safety policy) in case they win but not the same huge amount. Democrats make up the difference (hardly all of it--Bush broke every record for campaign spending in 2000) by contributions from labor unions. Democratic administrations tend to indulge in the same behaviour as Republican ones, basically. They do however have some differences such as not being so hostile to social security, less regressive taxation schemes, etc. Most of all, however, the Democrats are scared to death of losing labor to a genuine labor party (it has come close to happening in the past) and periodically throw "bones" to working people when in power. This may come as a raise in the minimum wage or not eliminating overtime pay or perhaps even reinstituting the 40 hour week (though this is doubtful as nobody is making a big deal about it...fucking pansy AFL-CIO)&#33;

Capitalism will collapse. It is collapsing. Surely the capitalists realize this or will begin to. A new system will arise but don&#39;t be so sure that it will be socialist. The day of capitalism as we know it is almost over...what will come next may well be a new fascism as the elite will build a system--possibly based on progressive change--that will preserve their priviledge. What can we do to stop this? This is the most important question of the new century&#33;

[Fidelbrand]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 06:00 AM
again the difference between the democrat and republican:would you rather be fucked by someone who says there not gonna fuck you and they fuck u,or by someone who says they&#39;re gonna fuck you and they fuck you.
claps for this writing.

[commieboy]

Well, i met Hilary, shook her hand and spoke with her....She is a very polite woman, and i&#39;m reading her book. I dont care what any of you say about her, she is a nice person and i bet will be a future president&#33;

[elijahcraig]

Nice victim of the PR game of the Democrats. You should take Fidel out of your avatar, you disgrace him.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

so...she&#39;ll be president someday? big deal. This absolutely does not make her a good politician in the ways of communism, i.e. she will not do anything to advance the workers&#39; revolution. However, she is slightly better than the republicans.

Elijah, I&#39;ve been meaning to tell you this for a few days. I know that a lot of the folks here rip on you for constantly changing your ideology, as subtle as it may be. I actualy admire this trait of yours. This shows that you remain loyal to the truth instead of regarding facts only when it contributes to what you may be trying to prove or disprove. Sorry is I sound a bit patronizing.

[elijahcraig]

The funny thing is, I actually made a transition. I said "RAF, you&#39;ve changed my view of Stalin a little." or something like that. Then on ISF, made two threads with many questions I wanted answered by the Stalinists there. I also read many of Comrade Stalin&#39;s works. They answered all of my questions. People calling me a "sheep" is just nonsense. I am the most radical person I know.

[FistFullOfSteel]

i want Al gore in the white house,but too bad hes not gonna compete or what it spells :),next year....

[blackemma]

I am the most radical person I know.

Get out more.

[highway star]

ha&#33;democrats or republicians they r same they r all capitalist bastards.this is the game in usa.people ask themselves :mmmm al gore or george bush.haha.they r same.

[commieboy]

so, it isn&#39;t possible to like someone who is a differnt thinker, you call me a disgrace to communism. but your the ones who are being discriminative, She is a nice lady, very polite, and saying that makes me a dicrace?

wow....somones a internet toughguy huh?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

you can like anyone, i don&#39;t care who, but her political affiliations are horribly uncommunistic. It&#39;s also okay to agree with her political affiliations, but then you will not be a Communist. How can you appreciate the reactionary actions of a woman while being a Communsit at the same time?

[blackemma]

so, it isn&#39;t possible to like someone who is a differnt thinker,

No. But it is disgraceful to be fond of the wife of a mass-murderer and soon to be mass-murderer herself, should she win the election... I don&#39;t think I need to tell you that capitalists don&#39;t like socialists. Don&#39;t be fooled, the only reason capitalist politicians haven&#39;t had us killed is because they fear the backlash it would create. Then again, who needs to kill socialists when we have ones like you who are always eager to kiss corporate America&#39;s ass?

[elijahcraig]

Get out more.

:lol:

[blackemma]

Question for elijahcraig: I know you said you switched with regards to your position on Stalin, but what is your current stance? Pro-Stalin? Anti-Trotsky? Somewhere in the middle?

PS: The "Get out more" comment was meant in good humour. :)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 21 2003, 06:27 PM
No. But it is disgraceful to be fond of the wife of a mass-murderer...
so who her husband was dictates who she is??
do i detect some chauvinism?

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 10:03 AM
The Republicans get huge sums of money (bribes) from corporations and individual capitalists. The Democrats get large sums of money from these people (a safety policy) in case they win but not the same huge amount. Democrats make up the difference (hardly all of it--Bush broke every record for campaign spending in 2000) by contributions from labor unions. Democratic administrations tend to indulge in the same behaviour as Republican ones, basically. They do however have some differences such as not being so hostile to social security, less regressive taxation schemes, etc. Most of all, however, the Democrats are scared to death of losing labor to a genuine labor party (it has come close to happening in the past) and periodically throw "bones" to working people when in power. This may come as a raise in the minimum wage or not eliminating overtime pay or perhaps even reinstituting the 40 hour week (though this is doubtful as nobody is making a big deal about it...fucking pansy AFL-CIO)&#33;
Comrade antieverything is quite right on all of these points. A point not stressed enough in this fine paragraph, however, is how a political party cannot serve both the bosses and organized labor at the same time. As our "democracy" here in the U&#036;A is more accurately a political auction, corporate interests have more sway with the Dems than the unions the Dems love to pay so much lip service to. The "big unions" cannot match capital with even medium-sized corporations, and thus the ruling class can always outbid the workers on who gets to fuck the whore that is the Democratic Party.

The AFL-CIO has sided with every U.S. war since World War II, except for the latest Iraq war. Before that, the AFL helped President Wilson in propagandizing for World War I as well as contributing to the decline of May Day here in the USA in the 1890s. The AFL before, since, and after the merger has really been no friend to even progressives, let alone radicals. That said, it is rather interesting the AFL-CIO&#39;s honchos released an unconditional statement against the Iraq war. What do you think comrades? Is this some kind of political maneuver? Has labor moved to the left? Are they pandering to the rank-and-file?

[elijahcraig]

I am pro-Marxist-Leninist, meaning pro-Stalin.

Hillary Clinton? hahahhahahhahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by Victorcommie+Aug 22 2003, 02:58 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Victorcommie @ Aug 22 2003, 02:58 PM)
[email protected] 21 2003, 06:27 PM
No. But it is disgraceful to be fond of the wife of a mass-murderer...
so who her husband was dictates who she is??
do i detect some chauvinism? [/b]
I do not blame Hillary for Bill Clinton. I would, however, blame Hillary for sticking by him when he was having aspirin factories bombed. If she had a conscience and a backbone, she could have criticized him. She has not. This means she is lacking a conscience and or a backbone. Lacking in either is grounds for criticism.

[Biz]

You ignorant Communists need to grow up&#33;. You&#39;re ideals are disgusting, short-lived, and if ever put into action will fail.

[elijahcraig]

:lol:

Wow. You proved us wrong&#33;

hhahahahaaa

What are you, 10?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2003, 09:28 PM
You ignorant Communists need to grow up&#33;. You&#39;re ideals are disgusting, short-lived, and if ever put into action will fail.
I don&#39;t see any ignorant communists here. Maybe you should go find some, so you can have a fair debate :lol:

[blackemma]

I do not blame Hillary for Bill Clinton. I would, however, blame Hillary for sticking by him when he was having aspirin factories bombed. If she had a conscience and a backbone, she could have criticized him. She has not. This means she is lacking a conscience and or a backbone. Lacking in either is grounds for criticism.

Exactly.


so who her husband was dictates who she is??
do i detect some chauvinism?

Silence is violence, as the saying goes. If anyone was in a position to influence Bill, it was Hillary. But, not only did Hillary not speak out against the crimes of her husband, but she went as far as to run for the same party that is responsible for said killings. I mean, Christ, had Hitler&#39;s wife lived and ran for the National Socialist Party, I doubt you&#39;d be saying what a wonderful lady she was and how what her husband did had nothing to do with her. Marriage is a voluntary association. I would not stay with a mass murderer. Evidently, you see no problem with such a thing, nevermind continuing the policies in question.

Chauvinism? No, I simply don&#39;t get caught up in bullshit PR work. I mean, wasn&#39;t Bush running on a platform of "compassionate conservatism"? Give me a fucking break. Of course Hillary seemed like a nice person - she&#39;s a politician. She wants votes. You think she really gives a fuck about you or anyone else? I hate to be blunt, but that is the nature of power politics.

[commieboy]

well, she was very nice to me, while i was wearing my Che Tshirt with a big Nautical star on it....So, i dont give a damn about her politics, she&#39;s a nice lady, with good manners....thats all i can say...have any of you ever met her?

[elijahcraig]

Change your avatar and your name, you disgrace them both. You make me sick.

[Lardlad95]

People here are re-fuckin-diculous

[blackemma]

So, i dont give a damn about her politics, she&#39;s a nice lady, with good manners

You know, the Prime Minister of Canada prior to World War II remarked that Hitler was quite the gentleman, a charmer really. Not only that, but he had sensitive eyes and seemed to be a genuine patriot, amongst other things. So, who gives a shit he killed millions, like you said he was a nice guy with good manners.

It&#39;s comforting to know that you place "please" and "thank you" above genocide in terms of importance.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 24 2003, 06:17 PM

So, i dont give a damn about her politics, she&#39;s a nice lady, with good manners

You know, the Prime Minister of Canada prior to World War II remarked that Hitler was quite the gentleman, a charmer really. Not only that, but he had sensitive eyes and seemed to be a genuine patriot, amongst other things. So, who gives a shit he killed millions, like you said he was a nice guy with good manners.

It&#39;s comforting to know that you place "please" and "thank you" above genocide in terms of importance.
A good post, Comrade blackemma. I totally agree that we must put deeds over personality.