when fidel is dead [Archive]

RebeldePorLaPAZ

10th August 2003, 18:49

One of my very close friends mom loves Che so much and agrees with both his and Fidels ideas. When we talked once she told me that when Fidel is dead, when he dies (because they already know they can't kill him) the U$ is going to move in and take Cuba. Why??? Because the people of Cuba know how to work so the US looks at it as an advantige. I agree with her 100%. Buts its somthing I hope never to see.

ILoveShrub

10th August 2003, 18:57

I am fearing the day Fidel dies. Hopefully if I have any luck I will be able to meet him before this happens. But if he dies and the Cuban people continue the way of Communism it would be a huge blow to the world of Capitalism. If there happens to be a Civil war in Cuba I would volenteer to the Communist side and fight for the victory of socialism. VIVA Socialismo..... Socialismo O Muerte

bluerev002

10th August 2003, 19:24

Raul will probably take over until they can get someone else

Nobody

10th August 2003, 21:28

Yeah, but Raul isn't a spring chicken. What happens when the castro brothers are dead? That is the real question, I think.

Bianconero

10th August 2003, 22:06

I guess that we'll see after the Castro brothers' deaths what they really achieved. Either Cuba will become another U.S. whore or the Cubans will keep their progressive attitute and fight U.S. Imerialist attacks with everthing they've got.

Rote Zora

10th August 2003, 22:46

Shouldn´t the real question be,how can we support Cuba?

I mean eachone of us?

How much Cuban products do we buy,like e.g coffie?

Do we work together with organisations that bring products to Cuba to support the infrastructure?

Or medical help?

I thought about that.
I found an organisation(I can only talk for Germany here)called Cuba si.

(www.cubasi.de)

My Spanish teacher is from Cuba,so get information that are not"second handed".
Next year I will go to Cuba for 3 weeks on a work camp.

We can do things NOW.

Sensitive

10th August 2003, 23:05

The people of Cuba have still had 44 years of freedom from the US, that alone is quite an achievement.

chamo

10th August 2003, 23:06

Raúl will take over when Fidel dies. After that the people will protect their socialist land.

Shouldn´t the real question be,how can we support Cuba?

By showing it our solidarity and fighting for it when it is in trouble. To make less ignorant in the West those who are.

How much Cuban products do we buy,like e.g coffie?

It's difficult when there's a trade embargo on. The only thing we can really knowingly buy from Cuba is Cuban tobacco, but that is sometimes sold by illegal private businesses.

Do we work together with organisations that bring products to Cuba to support the infrastructure?

Of course, if you have a way to.

Or medical help?

Cuba has enough medical expertise itself and it provides doctors to the third world countries wrecked by Capitalism.

Political Suicide

11th August 2003, 01:11

Well. There are innumerable possibilities here. Lets look at it from just a few angles;

America's Goal:

Fidel Dies. U.S. moves in with minimal force (not publically known) and forces cuban leftist politicians out and replace them with U.S. hand-picked cuban capitalists. Therefore removing cuba's independance and reviving its role as yet another american *****.

or

Fidel Dies. U.S. moves in a backed political campaign to take charge internally whilst undermine current goverment infastructure to guarentee that their campaign meets no resistance.

Cuba's Goal:

Fidel Dies. Raul Takes Over. Raul Dies. Someone else takes over.

Fidel Dies. Raul Takes Over. The democratic process is restored. (Under this 'fork in the road' a whole other scenario of possiblities take play.)

Quite frankly, the playing field is empty as of yet. No one has moved their pieces. Lets let the king fall and we can start the new game. We'll start the speculation then.

lokigreeny

11th August 2003, 01:30

sorry, just being a *****y *****y nya nya - dude, check your frikkin grammar - "the playing field is empty as of yet"
????? :huh:
ah well, good post. although, if you never think about wht might happen in the future, it is likely that you'll fall into the same old trap twenty have fallen into before you. i think the cubans need to think about what will happen when their dictator dies.

Palmares

11th August 2003, 02:50

The obvious answer is raul will take over. Then possibly other high ranking officials.

The important issue is the vanguard. I have been told of such a Cuban thing. Though, not much of it I know.

One thing is for sure, I do not want Fidel's children as heirs to the 'throne'. Fuck that shit... :angry:

Don't Change Your Name

11th August 2003, 04:41

Well, I think someone else will take Fidel's place. I don't see it as a chance for the yanquis, excepting if Cuba doesnt make a quick decision.

Regicidal Insomniac

11th August 2003, 06:49

The obvious resolution to Cuban leadership would be Raul's lineal ascent to power, what lies after that we can have no idea...
However the more grave question at the moment is how the United States will react durring Cuba's vunerable transition of leadership.

Right now we can expect anything from a second invasion of Cuban exiles to extreme political pressure...
But, hey, only time will tell :unsure:...

:cuba:

soul83

11th August 2003, 11:10

I don't think Fidel's children will take over, his daughter hates him and lives in America, and she's advising America to sever completely all the ties with Cuba. Secondly, the Americans could move in, don't forget, they've got Guantanamo bay already !!!!

Political Suicide

11th August 2003, 23:19

Lokigreeny,

All apologies. I did not mean to make a grammer mistake. Shall you ever forgive me? Well, when i get off a 10 hour shift, which was preceded by 6 hours of school and a restless night, i lack the patience required to weed out every insignificant gramatical mistake in my posts.

"although, if you never think about wht might happen in the future, it is likely that you'll fall into the same old trap twenty have fallen into before you."

I've been on this board for almost two years. I was previously known as PunkRawker677. I have debated and seen this topic debated literally hundreds of times. Nothing ever came of those debates.

"i think the cubans need to think about what will happen when their dictator dies."

I'm sure they do. I'm sure they also think about why peas are green. All i'm saying is that this has been debated to death, your trying to get a dead man to bleed.

Marxist in Nebraska

12th August 2003, 00:23

I am not so sure that Raul will outlive Fidel. He is, what, five years younger. But I have heard that Fidel takes much better care of himself physically and that Raul drinks heavily. Fidel could certainly outlive his younger brother... what then?

Political Suicide

12th August 2003, 23:31

From video's in the early/late 90s i would say that raul looks MUCH better than Fidel health wise. Recently i havent seen many pictures or clips with him in them.

CompadreGuerrillera

13th August 2003, 01:08

Fidel is a dictator, like it or not, he may be an agreeable one but he still is. I HOPE that perhaps the ppl of Cuba will restore a true socialist democracy, and fend of the yanks untill they acheive this.

Once a new stable government of the people's is established the yanks will never, and should never hope to take Cuba. It will be the short period of disarrayment(i dunno if thats a word im czech not english:)) that will cause the most damage(if any) for example the yanks COULD move in during this short(or long) period. Lets just hope Cuba stays on the left, shall we.

lokigreeny

13th August 2003, 02:34

Originally posted by Political [email protected] 12 2003, 09:19 AM
Lokigreeny,

All apologies. I did not mean to make a grammer mistake. Shall you ever forgive me? Well, when i get off a 10 hour shift, which was preceded by 6 hours of school and a restless night, i lack the patience required to weed out every insignificant gramatical mistake in my posts.

"although, if you never think about wht might happen in the future, it is likely that you'll fall into the same old trap twenty have fallen into before you."

I've been on this board for almost two years. I was previously known as PunkRawker677. I have debated and seen this topic debated literally hundreds of times. Nothing ever came of those debates.

"i think the cubans need to think about what will happen when their dictator dies."

I'm sure they do. I'm sure they also think about why peas are green. All i'm saying is that this has been debated to death, your trying to get a dead man to bleed.
okay, whatever. oh, by the way, you do realise, dont you, that when the king "falls" in a game of chess, the game is over?

Now, i may have mis-interpreted your original post, but it seemed to me that what you were saying was that until something happens, nothing can be planned. well that is just bullshit, it means you are constantly reactive and on the defence, which is not the position of power that cuba should be in. but if they plan ahead, they have a greater chance of survivng the post-fidel, post-raul days.

That's caled being clever.

schumi

13th August 2003, 15:29

After fidel dies Raul will almost certainly be in charge. but if Raul is already dead by the time fidel dies I think america will be in control of cuba. it's possible that, like someone already mentiond, they would send a couple of secret agents/soldiers to gain control of cuba. Or they could choose for a more public invasion since cuba is near america not lots of troops would be needed and they already have guantanamo.

I don't think that another person besides the castro brothers or maybe Che if he was still alive could rule Cuba. Any other person would be intimidated by the americans and would sooner or later become america's inferior...

The futur after Fidel and Raul doesn't look much hopeful if you ask me.... :(

Legends

13th August 2003, 17:15

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2003, 06:26 PM
What do you think will happen??
I think amerika will occupy cuba and make it a capitalistic country and a new state from amerika what do you think?
Sorry if this is really a stupid question but who is Amerika?

Im new to this.

il Commy

13th August 2003, 17:59

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 05:15 PM
Sorry if this is really a stupid question but who is Amerika?

Im new to this.
Some people call the USA Amerika instead of America to distinguish it from the continent.

FistFullOfSteel

14th August 2003, 04:11

does raul have any children?" :)

trudeaumania

14th August 2003, 07:24

This is all just speculation to begin with. A Cuba without Fidel Castro, is different especially when you are looking through the eyes, of a George Bush, as compared to a Bill Clinton. Right now, the USA would be more eager to replace the regime of Castro, with a American controlled Democracy. But if the Democrats were to gain control of the White House, then I think the views of the Cuban peoples themselves would hold sway. Traditional, but more liberal. I say that because the Cuban people must know that, despite all the setbacks from the embargo. That the reforms that were emplimented. Whether it be land reforms, social, economic, racial. Were a benefit in the begining, and are still, even if some are only in theory. <_<

Legends

14th August 2003, 07:26

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 04:11 AM
does raul have any children?" :)
Yes he does but I dont know how many or how old.

Are Fidel's children not in high power positions? as I am aware Raul's arent.

So it could be possible Castro kids could take hold of the country.

Severian

14th August 2003, 18:01

No, none of Fidel Castro's children have any position of power. One of his sons is a nuclear physicist and was in charge of the nuclear power program for a time, but he got fired. One of his daughters is living and Miami and putting out anti-revolution propaganda. I don't think she'd be doing that if being Fidel Castro's child was an automatic ticket to power and privilege. Heck, maybe she's just pissed off it isn't.

Raul Castro is minister of defense, not because he's Fidel Castro's brother, but because of his own accomplishments. Going back to the Moncada attack, the Granma landing, leading the second front opened by the Rebel Army, down to today.

All this "when Fidel dies" discussion is pretty silly anyway. How could one man defy the empire for 40 years? The revolution has survived for 40 years not because of one man, but because millions of Cubans actively support it.

FistFullOfSteel

16th August 2003, 20:25

okay,i hope no U.S shit comes into Cuba..revolution lives on!

Fidelbrand

16th August 2003, 21:01

U.S. please jerk off..... before the whole earth turn its back on u (after the unjust war on Iraq) .. especially that bush-head who walks likea penguin and speaks like a monkey with his eye-brows twisted.. really wanna smash the Tv when he speaks.. <_<

FistFullOfSteel

16th August 2003, 21:12

yeah u right companero...nuke white house full of morons and capitalists

peterb

17th August 2003, 01:54

I think you are right smoer, or at least they will try. If the U.S. do make a move on Cuba after Fidel's death the question is, what are WE supporters of the Cuban Revolution going to do about it? I would want to go to Cuba but I would be little f'in use as a guerilla fighter I suspect. I would want to get involved there even though it sounds like a pathetic gesture. We could protest and attack the U.S Embassy at home etc. It is important we defend the Cuban achievements.

peterb

17th August 2003, 02:05

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2003, 01:08 AM
Fidel is a dictator, like it or not, he may be an agreeable one but he still is. I HOPE that perhaps the ppl of Cuba will restore a true socialist democracy, and fend of the yanks untill they acheive this.

That is so true comrade. You have analysed the situation clearly.

What do WE do if/when the U.S. imperialists invade Cuba after Fidel's death?
As supporters of the Cuban Revolution we should be prepared.
What are your ideas please?

Lardlad95

17th August 2003, 02:22

If Fidel dies, I'm going to not speak for an entire day in rememberence.....

God help Raul, he had better stay strong

Political Suicide

17th August 2003, 03:10

We can argue this all month Loki, or you can stop *****in about the insignificants in my post. And no, i don't mean insignificance.

"okay, whatever. oh, by the way, you do realise, dont you, that when the king "falls" in a game of chess, the game is over?"

NO shit? I thought that meant it was time to eat chocalate crickets. Well, i'll be damned!

"Now, i may have mis-interpreted your original post, but it seemed to me that what you were saying was that until something happens, nothing can be planned. well that is just bullshit, it means you are constantly reactive and on the defence, which is not the position of power that cuba should be in. but if they plan ahead, they have a greater chance of survivng the post-fidel, post-raul days."

And i'm sure they have planned ahead, but i have a feeling they didn't let the members of che-lives in on the secret. What do you think? I'm all for planning ahead, but no one here is planning. They are speculating, guessing, pulling shit from their ass. But hey, do what you like, i was just putting in my two cents. I apologize again, i just thought i was allowed to do that on this message board.

Oh yeah, and before you go and reply; i don't care - shove your bullshit straight up your ass where it belongs. Or, if you'd like to make this personal (and it seems to be personal seeing as you attacked my fucking grammer first, and then you attacked a god damned metaphor which could have been whacked but i have too much of a fucking life to go back and double check every thing i write) you can send me a PM and we'll discuss it then, but in all honesty, i'd rather you save your breath.