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RadioRaheem84
30th October 2010, 00:10
Many people think that it is just a faux revolution with no real gains for the working class. This is just a bad way of looking at a really complex scenario in which the capitalist class is literally undermining actual gains. It also shows the folly of parliamentary socialism and the issues it has to deal with.

Check out this article in Venezuela Analysis:


ES: La Gaviota is a sardine canning factory and is located near Cumana. In January and February 2009 there was a strike on the part of the workers, as the boss was unwilling to comply with the most basic agreements and the Organic Law of Labour.

We decided to intervene there, in order to re-activate the plant. But of course the machinery was old and worn out, the workforce was older and the aim of the boss was to liquidate the factory. But that would have been a disaster for the nearby communities, as many families were dependent on the functioning of the factory. The plant had 300 workers, most of them from two local neighbourhoods.

The first thing that we did was to explain to the workers that we weren't a new group of bosses. I sent political comrades to the factory to work side by side with the workers, to teach them but also to learn at the same time.

The decisive thing in the first period was to break down the division between manual labour and administration within the company. In every capitalist enterprise it is normal that the boss wants to separate the workers from the administrators and prevent fraternisation by every means. This is no coincidence, since the opening of the account books, budgets, etc., reveals all trade secrets and uncovers the real figures. The boss wants to keep all this hidden from the workers.

On May 19, 2009, just two weeks after the state intervention in the factory, the plant was producing at 50% of its capacity, that is to say between 25 and 30 tons per week. The profits were minimal but the factory did not lose money. We showed in practice that we were capable of paying the wages, cover maintenance and everything else with the sales from production.

The highest body throughout this period was the Workers' Assembly. In the first four months we held 40 assemblies with the participation of the whole workforce. A workers' council was also elected, but it was not something counter-posed to the trade union. On the contrary, the two organs complemented each other, the council ran the factory on the day-to-day basis and the trade-union struggled for workers' demands. In fact, it is very significant that half of the members of the trade-union leadership, the most militant section, were also elected to the new workers' council.

Furthermore, profound politico-cultural work was initiated with the workers. A workers' theatre group was set up, a library was put in place to promote the reading of books among the workers and we also launched a chapter of the educational government programmes: Misión Ribas and Misión Robinson.

This was a marvellous experience, which unfortunately was put a stop to when I was ousted from the ministry. But the example of La Gaviota shows that Workers’ Control is not an “illusion” as Toby Valderrama and other analysts have maintained, but something concrete that shows that workers are perfectly capable of running society themselves.


LC: Why do you think that they removed you from the Ministry of Trade?

ES: It has happened before that the less popular decisions in Venezuela are taken just before a holiday period, in order to calm the people. That was also the case with me; they removed me just before the carnivals period.

They did not give me any reason and of course the president can change ministers as he wishes. But I suspect that the capitalists in the food sector were involved. I think they asked for my head as a guarantee and then in turn they promised not to generate food scarcity in this year of elections. They made a threat and I was the obstacle that they wanted to remove.

The first thing that the new Minister of Trade, Ricardo Canán did was to give the green light for price increases of such important products as tomatoes, margarine and mayonnaise. I would never have approved such a thing.


LC: After the electoral results of the September 26 elections...What are the perspectives for the Bolivarian Revolution?

ES: There are two plausible scenarios in the present situation. The first one is that there is a radicalisation of the revolution. To go that way, we need a profound change in the PSUV. That means an uncompromising struggle against bureaucracy and corruption.

The other scenario is a kind of reconciliation on the part of the revolution with the right wing or the status quo could even remain as it is, without any significant change. In that case we would have a death agony, that is to say the slow death of the revolution.

The corruption of the revolution is do elements leftover from the old system that were never dealt with.

The situation seems to be pitting two worlds together. But the really enemy is the soc dem elements that conspire with the right to maintain the status quo.

We must support the radicalization of the PSUV to continue measures like the one proposed my Mr.Saman.

REDSOX
30th October 2010, 12:15
The situation is quite complex and the left does not always appreciate how complicated. On the one hand there is the traditional oligarchical parties who hate his guts and are now joined by social democratic parasites like Podemos and PPT who once supported chavez before his lurch to the left. Also the PSUV/PCV is like any movement divided between the so called endogenous right wing which has some support in the country and the left wing revolutionary wing which also has support in the country. In between lies chavez and others and his supporters who lean to the left but also do not reject the right . The endogenous right is social democratic reformist who dislike neo liberalism but who are bureacratic centralists and control freaks and who do not want socialism or if they have to live with socialism then they want to be the ruling clique with no workers control. The left wants socialism with workers control they tend to be trots, agrarian communists guevararists etc. Hugo tries to balance them out for fear of splitting the movement too much. Hugo chavez is increasingly leaning towards the revolutionaries but he proceeds cautiously in case of a split in the movement. Hugo chavez always weighs up the objective and subjective conditions both domestically and internationally before making his moves

blake 3:17
31st October 2010, 22:59
The situation seems to be pitting two worlds together. But the really enemy is the soc dem elements that conspire with the right to maintain the status quo.

We must support the radicalization of the PSUV to continue measures like the one proposed my Mr.Saman.

Maybe. The role for us outside Venezuela is to defend it against imperialism.

I heard Mike Lebowitz, a Marxist advisor to Chavez, speak a couple of years ago. He acknowledged the uneveness of the revolution. It was a good talk and his book Build It Now is very readable and very interesting.

Link to an interview with Lebowitz: http://www.countercurrents.org/lebowitz030307.htm

Amphictyonis
31st October 2010, 23:11
Maybe. The role for us outside Venezuela is to defend it against imperialism.


What can Venezuela do on it's own, basically isolated from trade by every nation on earth (other than Iran and a couple other small southern nations). They don't have the resources to become an advanced communist nation. I support Venezuela but our worries, in the west, should be pretty much focused on why we (in the US) are such a marginalized minority. France is showing some balls, other parts of Europe a little less and the USA is as quiet as a mouse. We're in a period of crisis now, not the crisis which will spark The Revolution but a crisis none the less. If we use this one to gauge our revolutionary potential (in the advanced capitalist nations) then we're failing big time. This should be a if not THE major concern.

blake 3:17
31st October 2010, 23:58
. I support Venezuela but our worries, in the west, should be pretty much focused on why we (in the US) are such a marginalized minority. France is showing some balls, other parts of Europe a little less and the USA is as quiet as a mouse. We're in a period of crisis now, not the crisis which will spark The Revolution but a crisis none the less. If we use this one to gauge our revolutionary potential (in the advanced capitalist nations) then we're failing big time. This should be a if not THE major concern.

One of my favourite stories of the Left is about the meeting between the Italian and Vietnamese Communists. The Italians asked what they could do to aid the Vietnamese revolution, and the Vietnamese answered they should have their own revolution.

In the meantime, defending Venezuela and the other ALBA countries against imperialist intervention is absolutely crucial. A key ingredient for promoting revolutionary politics in countries with weak revolutionary forces is to find bonds between the movements across borders. Revolutions are never duplicated, and their methods can't be neatly exported, but building genuine alternative forms of society can be very inspiring and promote change abroad.

A Zapatista spoke here in Toronto years ago, and when people asked what they could do to help, they said we should act like Zapatistas in our own communities.

Barry Lyndon
1st November 2010, 00:08
One of my favourite stories of the Left is about the meeting between the Italian and Vietnamese Communists. The Italians asked what they could do to aid the Vietnamese revolution, and the Vietnamese answered they should have their own revolution.

In the meantime, defending Venezuela and the other ALBA countries against imperialist intervention is absolutely crucial. A key ingredient for promoting revolutionary politics in countries with weak revolutionary forces is to find bonds between the movements across borders. Revolutions are never duplicated, and their methods can't be neatly exported, but building genuine alternative forms of society can be very inspiring and promote change abroad.

A Zapatista spoke here in Toronto years ago, and when people asked what they could do to help, they said we should act like Zapatistas in our own communities.

If nothing else, such revolutions can be a morale-booster by showing us that resistance is possible.

We also need to fight the colonial chauvinism within the Left of condescendingly lecturing those in the Global South on how best to conduct their own revolution.

Amphictyonis
1st November 2010, 00:19
If nothing else, such revolutions can be a morale-booster by showing us that resistance is possible.

We also need to fight the colonial chauvinism within the Left of condescendingly lecturing those in the Global South on how best to conduct their own revolution.


Did I hear wrong or is Rahm Emanuel running for Gov of Illinois? Perhaps mayor of Chicago? Maybe I was having a nightmare?

Anyhow, I disagree with you (but not in spirit). I've thought about this in the past and think we in the west should criticize revolutions in other areas if their taking a wrong turn- a turn which could potentially be used in the west by the bourgeoisie to further marginalize the prospect of socialism taking hold in the advanced capitalist nations.

If another Stalin were manifesting I'd be very vocal no matter where he was be it in Cuba or China. I don't care about boarders or the nation state concept. The reason I said we in the west need to worry about why we're so marginalized doesn't come from any colonial chauvinism standpoint it comes from Marx as he saw the advanced capitalist nations as the 'spring board' to socialism.

As of now I'm not sure if the USA has enough industrial means of production- it seems to me the only 'nations' or regions where an actual socialist revolution can occur is China or India (or a region with a large industrial work force). Even then capital will simply relocate.

I'd be interested to hear some of your opinions in the "Is Globalization A Good Thing' thread (in the learning section).

blake 3:17
11th November 2010, 04:36
thread drift....


If nothing else, such revolutions can be a morale-booster by showing us that resistance is possible.

We also need to fight the colonial chauvinism within the Left of condescendingly lecturing those in the Global South on how best to conduct their own revolution.

Absolutely. The Tet Offensive was militarily a defeat for the Vietnamese Communists -- on the international level it was a total boost.

The Global North shouldn't be dictating how those in the South conduct themselves. That doesn't mean we don't have opinions or that our solidarity efforts should be seen as a simple clean support form which ever faction happens to be in a leadership position. But you're right, BL, we also don't need to be preaching to the South.

Solidarity, not abstention, is crucial. The people of Venezuela, or Nicragua, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or any number of other places have a much better chance of achieving a just and fair society if they don't have us blowing them up or stealing their land and resources. That doesn't mean that it will be perfect, or that others won't interfere.

pranabjyoti
12th November 2010, 12:30
Actually, people in other can do more than just doing another revolution in their own countries. I propose to form an international front for Cuba, Venezuela and other countries that can be a source of human resources for Venezuela. Venezuela, Bolivia and other ALBA countries, but they lack human resources and that front can be a supplier of that. By this way, most probably Venezuela can get some technology or product or scientific and technical achievements that will force the imperialist countries for business with Venezuela. USSR become world leader by not only on its resources, but also on scientific and technological achievements that forced the other countries to go into business relation.
REMEMBER, THAT USA IS THE WORLD LEADER NOW BASED MAINLY ON SUPPLY OF HUMAN RESOURCES AROUND THE WORLD.