Canadians becoming more conservative.

[spice756]

I'm not too familar with Canadian politics, but i've heard similar assesments from a friend who's been over there for a couple of years. He said he's honestly not sure why. Maybe people feel the need for an increase in captail gains???

I'm not sure why that is happing.

[danyboy27]

The federal election has been showing a move to conservative.Even some of the provinceses the conservative party is getting in now.And polling has been showing Canadians are in favour of conservatives.Toronto city council and mayor have been more left in views but now people are voting conservative city council and mayor.People want conservative city council and mayor.

What is causing this shift to conservative in Canada? Well 15 years ago Canadians where more left now becoming more conservative and in favour of conservatives party.
translation:
there been a sharp move to the right in canada during the last elections.
the Conservative party is getting popular in many provinces, including Quebec. Polls have been showing that canadian are in favor of the conservative governement. the toronto city concil who was in the past rulled by a leftist is now controled by a new, more conservative mayor. Its seem that people in Toronto wanted to have a conservative mayor.

discuss.

[timbaly]

translation:
the toronto city concil who was in the past rulled by a leftist is now controled by a new, more conservative mayor. Its seem that people in Toronto wanted to have a conservative mayor.

discuss.


Do you think the city has shifted to the right because of the consolidation with the five former municipalities that were forced to join the city as one government in 1998? Were those areas more conservative than the Toronto of pre-1998?

[Notorio]

I'm not too familar with Canadian politics, but i've heard similar assesments from a friend who's been over there for a couple of years. He said he's honestly not sure why. Maybe people feel the need for an increase in captail gains???

[spice756]

Do you think the city has shifted to the right because of the consolidation with the five former municipalities that were forced to join the city as one government in 1998? Were those areas more conservative than the Toronto of pre-1998?

Are you replying to my post or danyboy25?

[Die Rote Fahne]

The politics of Canada remains that most would personally have liberal and social democratic views. But strategic voting to keep someone out results in a minority conservative government.

[spice756]

The politics of Canada remains that most would personally have liberal and social democratic views. But strategic voting to keep someone out results in a minority conservative government.

Can you explain what I put in bold

[Die Rote Fahne]

Can you explain what I put in bold

Because a certain candidate/party leader is disliked, even the policies of the party, instead of voting for the alternative to cons and libs, people think that if they vote NDP or Green that they are helping the one they dislike. Therefore they will vote for the strongest opposition, even if half of that opposition is strategic voters.

[PoliticalNightmare]

Because a certain candidate/party leader is disliked, even the policies of the party, instead of voting for the alternative to cons and libs, people think that if they vote NDP or Green that they are helping the one they dislike. Therefore they will vote for the strongest opposition, even if half of that opposition is strategic voters.

Indeed. This, in my opinion, is why the tories got voted in during the British elections a few months back.

[danyboy27]

i am voting for the NDP every year, but its a waste of time, most of the Quebeker from my city vote either for the bloc or the conservatives.

on the provincial level, well lets be honest, i am fucked, the local liberal party is crooked has fuck, same for the parti quebecois, the democratic action is a front to empower petty bourgeois frustrated by the big buisness and the crooked union, Quebec solidaire is okay but their political program is way too big with some pretty strange idea such has, lets nationalize solar and wind power and taxes truck driver beccause they use gasoline, lets nationalize water and tax it.

i am pretty much screwed, so i vote for the green party.

[timbaly]

Are you replying to my post or danyboy25?


danyboy25, but feel free to reply.

[danyboy27]

Do you think the city has shifted to the right because of the consolidation with the five former municipalities that were forced to join the city as one government in 1998? Were those areas more conservative than the Toronto of pre-1998?

i dont know much about that particular issue, i just translated the badly written sentence of spice to make it easy to Understand for other.

i heard about it a bit on my local right wing radio station, and from what i heard, he a populist, with pretty strong opinion on topic verry popular to the avearge suburban man, you know, cyclist are a pain in the ass, we should cut in those horrible social services and taxes that allow the city to finance those projects...you know, that kind of thing.

[RGacky3]

with pretty strong opinion on topic verry popular to the avearge suburban man, you know, cyclist are a pain in the ass, we should cut in those horrible social services and taxes that allow the city to finance those projects...you know, that kind of thing.

How do you know those are popular with the average suburban man?

[Commie77]

What signs are indicating that Canadians are more conservative? I am a Canadian, although i have been living away from Canada for a year know. I tend t lean towards the NDP but they want to spend a lot of money :/. The liberals are shit with no real leader. SO the conservatives seem to be the best choice besides that i do not see why.

[danyboy27]

How do you know those are popular with the average suburban man?

beccause that an opinion most of the people in my city who live in the suburb hold has an opinion, they are not fan of the most right wing radio of Quebec for nothing.

[spice756]

What signs are indicating that Canadians are more conservative? I am a Canadian, although i have been living away from Canada for a year know. I tend t lean towards the NDP but they want to spend a lot of money :/. The liberals are shit with no real leader. SO the conservatives seem to be the best choice besides that i do not see why.


I don't know what is causing this conservative shift in Canada to right? But Canada was more center than left like in Europe.I think NAFTA and free trade is making use more American.

The NDP ,labour party or socialist party is some thing you see more of in Europe than here.But I hear even Europe is struggling to keep the welfare state.

[danyboy27]

I don't know what is causing this conservative shift in Canada to right? But Canada was more center than left like in Europe.I think NAFTA and free trade is making use more American.

The NDP ,labour party or socialist party is some thing you see more of in Europe than here.But I hear even Europe is struggling to keep the welfare state.

3 things caused the conservatives to rise in canada.

1. Political scandals around the liberal party.

2. Disgrunted Quebeker voting increasingly more conservative beccause the local political party cant manage the current ''welfare state''

3.the complete re-organisation of the conservatives. they fusioned parties together, that sort of ereased from the public the error of the past.

Personally i dont really see the difference between the conservatives and the Liberal.

The liberal where well known for using the governement has a way to making money, through developements of program and infrastructures they made million and engrossed ton of corporations, using the developement of the state and their social programs has an excuse to make a quick buck with peoples taxes.

the conservatives are well known for trying to limit the governement intervention, and for trying to cut spending, creating a void friendly corporation and private buisness can exploit to make money off the peoples.

really, not a really big difference.

[spice756]

The liberal where well known for using the governement has a way to making money, through developements of program and infrastructures they made million and engrossed ton of corporations, using the developement of the state and their social programs has an excuse to make a quick buck with peoples taxes.

Don't know what you trying to say here. But the liberal party has been in power for so long and probably NAFTA and free trade is why the liberal party has move to the right.

So ya liberal party and conservative are not all that different.


the conservatives are well known for trying to limit the governement intervention, and for trying to cut spending, creating a void friendly corporation and private buisness can exploit to make money off the peoples.

Ya the conservatives like to do that.

[danyboy27]

Don't know what you trying to say here. But the liberal party has been in power for so long and probably NAFTA and free trade is why the liberal party has move to the right.

So ya liberal party and conservative are not all that different.



Ya the conservatives like to do that.

what i am trying to say is, the Liberal where always pro-buisness, they just did it in a way to appear legitimate and friendly, but at the end, all they where doing was to feed a certain brand of capitalist with infrastructure contract, making their friends rich.

[Mo212]

I'm not sure why that is happing.

Religion, many people are still religious in canada, we still have a good number of catholic run schools.

[spice756]

Do you think this shift to conservative is race motive ?I mean there are more and more non white people coming to Toronto so do you think this is immigration fear? They think if a conservative gets in power they will slow down the immigration .

I hear story of people who say they should cut all this free stuff for immigration .

So do you think this could be immigration fear?

[danyboy27]

Do you think this shift to conservative is race motive ?I mean there are more and more non white people coming to Toronto so do you think this is immigration fear? They think if a conservative gets in power they will slow down the immigration .

I hear story of people who say they should cut all this free stuff for immigration .

So do you think this could be immigration fear?

not necessarly.

[spice756]

Canadians poll? I would like to see this 10 years ago and see if more NDP and liberals?

Funny most all of them are conservative.


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OTTAWA — Soon-to-be-retired Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams is still Canada's most popular provincial leader, followed closely by Saskatchewan's Brad Wall, according to an Angus Reid poll of approval ratings released Thursday.



Ontario's Dalton McGuinty and British Columbia's Gordon Campbell, who last month announced his resignation amid plummeting support, both polled at a mere 16-per-cent support, suggesting the Harmonized Sales Tax adopted by both provinces this year hasn't sat well with constituents.



Quebec's Jean Charest, whose Liberals have been mired in corruption allegations throughout the year, rounded out the bottom three at 14 per cent.




Williams, who is set to leave office Friday after seven years of unwavering popularity, led all leaders with 67-per-cent approval, while Wall was the only other premier to attain a majority of support, with 60 per cent of respondents answering favourably.




New Brunswick Premier David Alward, who led his Progressive Conservatives to a landslide over the incumbent Liberals in an October election, had the third-highest rating, at 32 per cent, while Manitoba's Greg Selinger garnered 28 per cent of respondents' approval.




Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach, who in last year's poll had just a 14-per-cent approval rating, climbed seven points this year to 21 per cent, one point ahead of Nova Scotia's Darrell Dexter.




The online poll of 6,000 respondents didn't track numbers for Prince Edward Island's Premier Robert Ghiz or the premiers of the territories — Eva Aariak of Nunavut, Dennis Fentie of Yukon, and Floyd Roland of the Northwest Territories.




The margin of error was 3.1 per cent for Ontario, 3.5 per cent for B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Quebec, and 5.7 per cent for New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Newfoundland and Labrador.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/02122010/74/bc-campbell-canada-s-favorite-premier-williams-wall-favorites.html

[spice756]

Wow I just say wow .

I cannot believe this.This is some thing I would see happing in the US not Canada.


Political momentum slings Tories into lead, poll finds


OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper's governing Conservatives have lunged ahead of their political rivals in public favour and would easily be returned to power if an election occurred now, a new poll finds.

The national survey, conducted for Postmedia News and Global TV, reveals that the Tories have broken out of a lengthy stalemate in public opinion and appear to have political momentum on their side.


The new findings by Ipsos Reid raises questions whether Harper will try to precipitate an election next spring, or perhaps even earlier in 2011.

According to the survey conducted this week, the Conservatives are supported by 39 per cent of decided voters, up four points from a month ago. By comparison, Michael Ignatieff's Liberals remain at 29 per cent of the decided vote.


The NDP, led by Jack Layton, would garner 12 per cent of the vote, down four points from last month. The Green party, led by Elizabeth May, would receive nine per cent of the vote, down two points.

Gilles Duceppe's Bloc Quebecois has 10 per cent of the vote nationally, but within its own province the party has a commanding lead over the other parties


Read more: http://www.canada.com/news/Political+momentum+slings+Tories+into+lead+poll+fi nds/3960080/story.html#ixzz17m1bEuEx

[spice756]

I have not had any time at school to do any research on this so cannot say why.

But polls this week shows a shift to the conservatives.The conservatives are getting more and more popular.I think part of the problem is the liberals have a week leader so popular vote is way down.But the NDP and green party popular vote has been going up but does not have enough for a minoraty coverment.

In a way I think Canada is becoming devited of NDP/green party to left and conservative to the right well the liberals lose all popular votes.Also the liberals have been neoliberalism for a long time and people are starting to see that and it makes no difference if the liberals or conservatives are in power they for the rich and big business and people are starting to see that.

Well the NDP/green party are part of the capitalist class but with little more social programs.

[Robert]

But polls this week shows a shit to the conservatives.

Man, when those Canadians express their disapproval of conservatives, they don't mess around.

[Frosty Weasel]

I blame it on an increased neo-Liberal mindset that started growing after Nafta was first implemented.

Western powers (and countries friendly with the West) grow in wealth and influence and everyone else gets screwed from behind.

[spice756]

I blame it on an increased neo-Liberal mindset that started growing after Nafta was first implemented.

Western powers (and countries friendly with the West) grow in wealth and influence and everyone else gets screwed from behind.

I think it is mostly the media and government that brainwash everyone the taxes are too high and we are drowning in taxes and this not true alot of countries in Europe pay alot more in taxes .

I know so many people voting conservatives do to they say taxes are too high. So it vote conservatives in and get f*ck or vote liberals in that are neoliberalism and get f*ck or leave the rich provinces where the NDP can get in.There is no-win situation here !!

Well blame the media and government that brings up the subject of taxes all the time.

[danyboy27]

cool necromancy bro