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danyboy27
26th October 2010, 17:53
What you guy think about it?

Back then when mankind didnt had much technological knowledge and ressources where hard to extract, was tyranny necessary to make our society evolve and progress at the start of our civilisations?

the ultimate question is: is tyranny something societies developped out of necessity, or not?

RGacky3
26th October 2010, 20:48
No, if people think they are, they'll need some reasons.

lines
26th October 2010, 20:57
Some sort of hierarchy may have helped humans get some things done but I don't think tyrannies were ever helpful.

PoliticalNightmare
26th October 2010, 21:20
Both tyranny and hierarchy were inevitable but not necessary.

What I mean is that what with greed of individuals and the expansion of technology, some were likely to get more powerful than others and use there powers for coercion however we, as a human race, did not need an authority to tell us how to harvest our crops, how to build bridges, how to develop technology, etc.

A couple of people just thought that that was necessary and took it upon themselves to take the position as slave masters, kings, politicians, etc. They were never needed though.

Unfortunately, we may require tyranny to destroy tyranny.

Widerstand
26th October 2010, 23:33
As long as mankind is on a quest for more 'enlightenment' or 'rationality', meaning, first and foremost, less dependency on nature, this quest will bring along more rationalized, more 'efficient' forms of whatever exists, whereas 'efficiency' is judged by each thing's own standards. In terms of tyranny, or rather, repressive hierarchy, this means, that tyranny will, as mankind advances in terms of knowledge, technology, and so on, continue to exist in even crasser, 'more efficient' forms. The Third Reich, the Nuclear Bomb, the globally used torture methods exposed in Guantanamo, etc. are all proof of this.

What we consider tyranny, is, in itself, really just a form of hierarchical oppression, or, when done by individuals against each other, a psychological need to recreate that hierarchy with oneself in control.

Decolonize The Left
26th October 2010, 23:50
What you guy think about it?

Back then when mankind didnt had much technological knowledge and ressources where hard to extract, was tyranny necessary to make our society evolve and progress at the start of our civilisations?

the ultimate question is: is tyranny something societies developped out of necessity, or not?

Tyranny is simply an expression of dominance contextualized within a socio-political situation. Properly put, a tyrant is a ruler who takes power by his/her own means, other than those established by previous rule and does so without 'law.' Given that law must be established by some sort of previously legitimized means (god, democratic election, birthright, etc...) the law of the tyrant is not recognized as legitimate and is held in place by sheer force.

So is it necessary? No, but it is to be expected. The animal behavioral characteristic of dominance is present in many different species, and ought to be considered present in human beings as well. Remember that all forms of political power are based primarily upon the control of force and the legitimate use of violence, but are also dependent upon the recognition of this control of force as legitimate. Given that political power is most commonly held by a minority, the only rational way that this minority can hold power is either by direct force (tyranny) or by legitimizing its existence (conventional government).

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