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IcarusAngel

26th October 2010, 08:11

(CNN) -- An employee with the liberal group Moveon.org was stomped on by a man wearing a "Rand Paul for Senate" T-shirt outside a televised debate in Lexington, Kentucky, Monday night, police said.
The incident took place before the debate between Republican Paul and Democrat Jack Conway.
In the video from CNN affiliate WDRB, several men wearing Rand Paul shirts or stickers are seen ripping a blonde wig off the head of Lauren Valle and pushing her to the ground. One of the men stomps on her shoulder with his foot, which then lands on the side of her head.
People were shouting "Get the cops. Get the police out here," during the incident.http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/26/kentucky.debate.scuffle/

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/10/25/paul_supporter_stoms_woman/md_horiz.jpg

Typical right-wing cowards. They only fight women in real life. I think this is a good example of the right-wing extremists directly attacking other members of the working class in order to defend the corporations. It pisses me off.

#FF0000

26th October 2010, 08:47

The video.

rm50--EFlPU

Big fucking man, eh?

Os Cangaceiros

26th October 2010, 09:04

What do you expect from the supporters of this guy?

_nxNUcBA_g8

So many questions...so, so many questions.

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

ComradeMan

26th October 2010, 10:43

Why does this stuff always seem to happen in the US or is it just a perception? I don't know much about Rand Paul but he seems pretty conservative to me.

That curb stamping is evil.

Amphictyonis

26th October 2010, 10:53

What do you expect from the supporters of this guy?

_nxNUcBA_g8

So many questions...so, so many questions.

(Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god that was funny!

What wasn't funny was the Op and the video below it showing that woman being curb stomped. Even if she was a republican it would be wrong. I have absolutely no political alliance with the Democrat party nor the idiots who keep putting them in power but I don't want to see a bunch of borderline fascists curb stomping liberal supporters of capitalism. What would have happened if some actual communists were there? Would they have stabbed her if she was a communist? They probably called her one. Idiots.

Anyhow, this is all a product of the bourgeois MEDIA in America. The entire Democrat/Republican game is a sham. It's all 'manufactured consent' for what is essentially one party. They're beating this woman up for no reason.

Hiero

26th October 2010, 10:54

Why does this stuff always seem to happen in the US or is it just a perception? I don't know much about Rand Paul but he seems pretty conservative to me.

That curb stamping is evil.

While it seems brutal and idiotic, it can be a hell lot worse, assasination, lynching, necklacing (lighting a fire filled with kerosane around someone's neck), murder.

ComradeMan

26th October 2010, 10:59

While it seems brutal and idiotic, it can be a hell lot worse, assasination, lynching, necklacing (lighting a fire filled with kerosane around someone's neck), murder.

Not nice. Here people just disappear usually to be found in concrete pillars or they are found with two in the head.

IcarusAngel

26th October 2010, 12:12

WOrVeUWTLXI

The Free-Market -- FEAR IT!!!!

Havet

26th October 2010, 12:37

Ron Paul >>> Rand Paul

Its really sad and makes me angry when whatever supporters of whatever political ideology resort to violence of any form, no matter if they think its justified or not, there are universally recognized human rights.

brigadista

26th October 2010, 14:59

WOrVeUWTLXI

The Free-Market -- FEAR IT!!!!

what a nutter....

Patchd

26th October 2010, 15:26

Firstly, why are people surprised? Politics has always been quite a nasty affair, in addition, I didn't quite appreciate the comment by the OP either, why should we be surprised that those macho republican men would fight a woman with different political perspectives?

What we should be riling about is why no one else in the crowd (because I assume there were other democrats there too) retaliated immediately in solidarity with the woman on the ground. I'm not saying it should turn into a fight, but the priority should have been to get that person off the ground and as far away from trouble as possible (not because she's a woman, but out of defence and safety). I mean, someone in the crowd shouted, 'get the police', how long would that have actually taken? Even if there were police at the event, how long would it have taken for them to respond? Long enough for those guys to break her face had they wanted to (seeing as no one in the crowd seemed like they were actually going to physically stop him/them)?

Its really sad and makes me angry when whatever supporters of whatever political ideology resort to violence of any form, no matter if they think its justified or not, there are universally recognized human rights.Universally recognised by who? Rights are abstract and subjective.

Revolution starts with U

26th October 2010, 16:28

That guy should be in jail. And we need to agitate these reactionaries even more. Get them to attack more people. Show the world the violent nature of the capitalist support system.
Agitate, agitate, agitate

thriller

26th October 2010, 16:38

danyboy27

26th October 2010, 18:00

Dean

26th October 2010, 18:15

"I said 'bite the curb' and kicked till it's heard."

Dean

26th October 2010, 18:17

Ron Paul >>> Rand Paul
Are you saying you like Ron Paul or what?

x371322

26th October 2010, 19:03

God I'm so sick of hearing about Rand fucking paul. Living in KY, every other commercial I see is one of his or Conways ads, always attacking the other one. AHHHH I hate you Rand Paul!!! I hate you both!

But yeah I saw this on the news this morning. I'm ashamed to share a state with these cowards. She shouldn't have gone alone. It's always nice to have some backup when crazy ass righties attack.

#FF0000

26th October 2010, 19:38

Don't mean to derail but Ron Paul didn't seriously name his kid "Rand" did he?

Ele'ill

26th October 2010, 19:59

We should start circulating photos of the guy that stomped her-

TwoSevensClash

26th October 2010, 20:25

If a liberal beat up a tea party person the media would be screaming COMMUNIST BEATS POOR DEFENSELESS TEA PARTY MEMBER.

Havet

26th October 2010, 20:43

Universally recognised by who? Rights are abstract and subjective.

By states. I don't mean that rights are objective; of course they aren't. But often many of those protesters believe in "universally recognized" human rights by organizations such as the United Nations.

Are you saying you like Ron Paul or what?

I prefer him to Rand Paul any day. At least i've never heard of his supporters beating a woman.

Don't mean to derail but Ron Paul didn't seriously name his kid "Rand" did he?

His actual name is Randal. According to wikipedia:

Although Ron Paul was a fan of Ayn Rand[citation needed], her name was not the inspiration for Paul's first name; he went by "Randy" as a child and while in college[8] and "Rand" as an adult.[9]

Amphictyonis

26th October 2010, 22:40

This is fuggin' bullshit. Maybe leftists should fight the conservatives. Fuck it, they pick on random people, we'd at least be tactical. Maybe I'll go punch the next person I see wearing Nike's in the face.

Are you sure you want to 'stand in solidarity' with the moveon organization and the democrat party? Liberals arent necessarily our comrades. Punching people in the face isnt going to do anything in regards to educating Americans as to what socialism really is. It would simply end up on some FOX news real as proof of the 'barbaric nature' of socialism.

Apoi_Viitor

27th October 2010, 03:24

We should start circulating photos of the guy that stomped her-

http://www.zimbio.com/Tim+Profitt/articles/PO-Bss7Uy_a/Tim+Profitt+Filmed+Stomping+Female+MoveOn

WeAreReborn

27th October 2010, 03:33

http://www.zimbio.com/Tim+Profitt/articles/PO-Bss7Uy_a/Tim+Profitt+Filmed+Stomping+Female+MoveOn
This is a quote from that link, " "I'm sorry that it came to that, and I apologize if it appeared overly forceful, but I was concerned about Rand's safety," said Profitt." Wow worried about his safety? God forbid if someone has opposing views to that reactionary politician. That is insane. Even if the woman punched someone in the face that is no excuse to beat her, woman or man alike. Brutality is unacceptable, though I'm sure you all agree but wow people are disgusting.

REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL

27th October 2010, 03:43

Damn, that woman was getting her curb stopped

Where the fuck is RAAAAAAAAAAAAAN when you need them?! :D

Nolan

27th October 2010, 03:45

Damn, that woman was getting her curb stopped

Where the fuck is RAAAAAAAAAAAAAN when you need them?! :D

Vandalizing liberal bookstores and obsessing over big bad Lenin on their website, of course.

Revolution starts with U

27th October 2010, 04:30

Ironically enough, the stomper was wearing a "don't tread on me" button.
What a bunch of quacks. And the "libertarian" internet junkies are all saying "it's a black flag operation" "she deserved it" or "they were just concerned for Rand's safety."
Agitate, agitate, agitate. Perhaps some of us are going to have to die here....

black magick hustla

27th October 2010, 04:36

maybe im a party pooper but i dont get why people make a news out of this??? i mean it sucks dicks that some poor girl got stomped but people get stomped all the time. when was the fuckin news when i got my head stomped????????????

people in shit neighborhoods get ganged up, murdered, put two in the head etc i guess i feel resentful because this was obviously a respectable good white woman while there are people out there whose lives are just butts and they get worse than this, even in the US

~Spectre

27th October 2010, 18:46

Rand Paul, against the civil rights integration of lunch counters, and now we get some curb stomping?

The American Right wing, now sponsored by American History X:

http://www.benjaminsolah.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/American-history-x.4.jpg

thriller

27th October 2010, 18:52

We should start circulating photos of the guy that stomped her-

That's actually a good idea.

Ele'ill

27th October 2010, 20:28

That's actually a good idea.

Yeah, I was being serious about it. I just don't think it would need to be a nation wide thing. Perhaps if there are local people here on the forum that were near that- they should be the ones to take it on.

Ele'ill

27th October 2010, 20:30

Also, I don't know of the server locations at this point but isn't there legal issues with having swastika imagery up?

I understand the context of the conversation and this isn't an attack on the poster.

RGacky3

27th October 2010, 21:17

Just put his picture up, and whatever happens happens :).

BTW heres a little update. The pathetic littledicked asswipe wants the woman who's head he stomped on to applogise Him (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/27/rand-paul-supporter-tim-profitt_n_774614.html). Now I don't advocate violence of revenge, but if this guy got his dispicable little ass kicked slightly, I probably would'nt shed too many tears.

Skooma Addict

27th October 2010, 22:18

Revolution starts with U

28th October 2010, 04:19

It can't be both Skooma? I care about her, and everybody that gets stomped in america daily... that's why I'm a socialist ;)
It just shows the aggressive nature of pop right libertarianism. Leftists attack cops, bad. Old man stomps young female liberal activist, that's ok.
Oppress the weak in the name of freedom!

Nolan

28th October 2010, 06:52

It's news because people want to use it for political purposes. They don't actually care about the woman.

Yeah anytime someone is assaulted out of political motivations, its the people crying foul who are in it for the points.

MellowViper

28th October 2010, 08:35

If a liberal beat up a tea party person the media would be screaming COMMUNIST BEATS POOR DEFENSELESS TEA PARTY MEMBER.

I was just gonna write that.

Blackscare

28th October 2010, 09:47

there are universally recognized human rights.

Whoever told you that is your enemy.

RGacky3

28th October 2010, 13:42

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=75576

You wanna know some excuses? People said "oh a Conway supporter stepped on a Rand Paul supports foot," I'm not kidding, Also "he stepped on her neck not her head," again, I wish I was making it up. You know if the guy was just in a heated state and went overboard accidently fine, but based on later statements he seams to have absolutely no remorse and feels absolutely justified. Not only that but aparently the staff knew about her, she was at 5 different events, they knew she was gonna be there, and they surrounded her when she was there and reportedly said "we are hear to do crowd control, maybe we need to take some one out,"

So that is what the guy looks like, the Woman aparently suffered a concussion, any one in Kentucky happens to see guy taking a walk, maybe have a little chat with him, give him a piece of your mind, hopefully he meets someone merciful because God forbid I catch this guy down a dark alley.

Comrade Anarchist

29th October 2010, 21:07

Wow i really hate how you and everyone on msnbc is generalizing that those asshole pricks somehow represent the rest of the libertarian movement. I don't support rand paul cause i don't believe in voting nor any activity in government and i think this attack on that poor woman is not a bunch of crazed libertarians but is instead just a bunch of assholes. You see assholes belong to every political spectrum and they tend to be the ones in the front fucking everything up.

Barry Lyndon

29th October 2010, 21:11

Revolution starts with U

29th October 2010, 21:28

right libertarianism is an exact definition of antidisestablishment; we attack the establishment, they attack us for attacking the establishment

MellowViper

31st October 2010, 00:03

Are you sure you want to 'stand in solidarity' with the moveon organization and the democrat party? Liberals arent necessarily our comrades. Punching people in the face isnt going to do anything in regards to educating Americans as to what socialism really is. It would simply end up on some FOX news real as proof of the 'barbaric nature' of socialism.

Yah, I agree, political violence for any reason is stupid. Violence is just what people do when they can't win the debate through rational discourse.

Bud Struggle

31st October 2010, 00:12

Yah, I agree, political violence for any reason is stupid. Violence is just what people do when they can't win the debate through rational discourse.

And that's the reason people around here favor Revolution instead of Reform.

Havet

31st October 2010, 00:21

Violence is just what people do when they can't win the debate through rational discourse.

If it were that simple...Some people just can't be reasoned with. That's exactly what communists think of the bourgeois and the capitalists.

Klaatu

31st October 2010, 01:15

I heard that the stomper (Profit) actually demanded an apology from the woman!

#FF0000

31st October 2010, 02:04

And that's the reason people around here favor Revolution instead of Reform.

Using force to make changes to completely alter society is sort of different than a couple of individuals beating up someone for voting Democrat or political assassinations.

Keep in mind that you and I are also in a country where national guard used live ammunition to put down hippie college students at an anti-war protest. It really isn't as if people with power and guns would be all that receptive to our ideas even if we did have massive support.

Jimmie Higgins

31st October 2010, 02:58

it seem to me that the radicalisation of the right wing elements in the U.S is causing more and more events like this to happen these day.

anyone here remember that event a fews week ago when that alaskan republican guy had a journalist handcuffed by his goon and kept in detention until the police order them to release him?

or that nut who claimed to be glenn beck fan who attacked someone in his name?Yeah a guy had a shootout with highway patrol in Oakland a couple of months ago - he was heavily armed and trying to take out some liberal groups in San Francisco because Glenn Beck had "exposed" their ties with the international conspiracy to shit in the oatmeal of Glenn Beck fans.

He said that Glenn Beck was telling him - in not so many words - to take out these liberal groups that are 'destroying america':

And it was the things that he did, it was the things he [Glenn Beck] exposed that blew my mind. Beck would never say anything about a conspiracy, would never advocate violence, he'll never do anything like, of this nature, but he'll give you every ounce of evidence that you could possibly need.

The sad thing is that this nut apparently understands the trajectory of Glenn Beck's "logic" better than Glenn Beck.

On one of the network TV news last week there was also a report about anti-abortion groups re-issuing old-west style "Wanted" posters with the names, office addresses and sometimes even home addresses of abortion clinic doctors. These posters say that they simply want these doctors to "meet Jesus" which can be read however you like.

This is all messed up stuff and will probably lead to more horrible random acts like kidnapping and beating up immigrant day-laborers and killing abortion doctors and so on. People are angry and there is a political vacuum which creates a dynamic and dangerous kind of atmosphere.

I think political pundits and operatives are fully responsible for all this. What is their answer to politics they don't like and find unacceptable? Get people fired, defund ACORN, defund NPR, fire teachers and mandate a top-down curriculum, and so on. So the message is: "we're infiltrated by evil people trying to destroy you and the only thing we can do is get rid of them". Well, following this Glenn Beck logic, if you can't get a private liberal group or individual "fired or defunded", how do you get rid of them?

For the far right who do want to intimidate oppressed people (women who might want abortions, immigrants, non-Christians etc) a few bad apples who are violent are probably seen as regrettable instances of people taking things too far.

Of course, these things also happen with the left. People who feel like the corporations and their servants in political office have the whole thing locked up get isolated and paranoid and if they are really vulnerable unstable might commit some crazy act. In the early part of the last century people in the US tried to kill high-profile Robber Barons, blow up the LA Times, and even assassinated a President.

The difference is that while Glenn Beck may want to intimidate people and groups he sees as a "threat" without physically harming them, his goal is the same as a radical right who WILL use physical violence as part of that intimidation. On the left, we don't want to intimidate others and "keep them in their place," we want to elevate our own class to a position of making decisions. So when left-wing nuts assassinate people, they are not actually helping achieve the goal that most of us want.

That's why it's always important to stress that the only way forward for the working class is if we organize ourselves on a cooperative basis and act collectively, not through individual acts of violence - such acts are politically useless for organizing our side.

Jimmie Higgins

31st October 2010, 03:16

I heard that the stomper (Profit) actually demanded an apology from the woman!Why am I not surprised coming from a right wing that not only wants to oppress people, but also complains that they are oppressed when laws are passed to prevent them from oppressing people: "I have nothing against gay people, I just don't want them to be all in my face about it when I'm bashing them".

So I'm sure when this story broke and became a big deal, the stomper thought: "well, she shouldn't have been hitting the bottom of his shoe with her face. Typical feminazi tactics!"

Klaatu

31st October 2010, 04:28

That's like the redneck-barfight: "Uh, I dunno, officer, he just kept on ramming his face into my fist..." :lol:

The Fighting_Crusnik

31st October 2010, 05:54

Yeah... this is just all around shocking but not surprising... but as a person, Rand Paul is just terrifying and overly mysterious... and his support of hyper-libertarianism alone should be raising alarms among the people, not support... but then again, we're here in Amerika, the land of a propaganda and misinformation...

RGacky3

31st October 2010, 10:38

And that's the reason people around here favor Revolution instead of Reform.

No thats not why, its because reform does'nt work, because its asking the people in control do just be altruistic and do something out of their interest.

Revolution starts with U

2nd November 2010, 06:24

You're right Bud. We favor the revolution because the capitalists are far too intellectually incoherent to debate us rationally; instead preferring to bring violence upon the people.
See; the history of the world over the last 200 years. :D (Just read/watch/listen to anything by Chomsky, Zinn, Perenti, or any of the thousands of non-revisionist [revisionist could be a little harsh, maybe more like "leave things out"] historians)

Lt. Ferret

2nd November 2010, 06:37

Klaatu

2nd November 2010, 06:53

both left and right wingers resort to violence not because their ideas are indefensible, but because its easier to just line the fuckers up that you dont like against the wall and put a bullet in them.

So true. But Good Ideas (like Socialism!) cannot be squelched.

To paraphrase Plato: "You can destroy a tree, but you cannot destroy the idea of a tree...)

RGacky3

2nd November 2010, 09:11

both left and right wingers resort to violence not because their ideas are indefensible, but because its easier to just line the fuckers up that you dont like against the wall and put a bullet in them.

Theres a difference between say, a slave revolt, and a 40 year old guy that does'nt get sex at home stomping on a surrounded 20 year old girl.

Bud Struggle

2nd November 2010, 19:40

Keep in mind that you and I are also in a country where national guard used live ammunition to put down hippie college students at an anti-war protest. It really isn't as if people with power and guns would be all that receptive to our ideas even if we did have massive support.

And that is exactly why Revolution won't work. They will beat you each and every time if you try to use force.

#FF0000

2nd November 2010, 20:07

And that is exactly why Revolution won't work. They will beat you each and every time if you try to use force.

Bud I think you missed the point entirely. I'm saying that is why we -should- use force. The kids at Kent State weren't using force.

Plus, no matter what, there are more workers than there are soldiers or cops. You don't think sheer numbers will scare a cop into not shooting? Please.

Every ruling class used force against the underclass that tried to usurp it. And every time, they failed. History, our side etc.

Bud Struggle

2nd November 2010, 20:19

Bud I think you missed the point entirely. I'm saying that is why we -should- use force. The kids at Kent State weren't using force.

Plus, no matter what, there are more workers than there are soldiers or cops. You don't think sheer numbers will scare a cop into not shooting? Please.

Every ruling class used force against the underclass that tried to usurp it. And every time, they failed. History, our side etc.

I understand what you are saying. I just think history has changed. It's not pitchforks against muskets--it's the Socialitst Worker's Party against the News Corporation.

No contest.

RGacky3

2nd November 2010, 21:18

it's the Socialitst Worker's Party against the News Corporation.

No contest.

Nowerdays, in the US, its more like "squat in your own house" movements against banks, unions and immigrant groups egainst employers, when it comes to violence, it depends on the situation.

But Ask the city of San Salvador Atenco in Mexico, the cops lost :)