DNA tests reveal 'Hitler was descended from the Jews and Africans he hated'

[Bandito]

DNA tests reveal 'Hitler was descended from the Jews and Africans he hated'


Adolf Hitler is likely to have been descended from both Jews and Africans, according to DNA tests.
Samples taken from relatives of the Nazi leader show that he is biologically linked to the 'sub-human' races he sought to exterminate.
Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to track down 39 of the Fuhrer's relatives earlier this year.
They included an Austrian farmer revealed only as a cousin called Norbert H.
A Belgian news magazine has reported that samples of saliva taken from these people strongly suggest Hitler had antecedents he certainly would not have cared for.
A chromosome called Haplopgroup E1b1b (Y-DNA) in their samples is rare in Germany and indeed Western Europe.

'It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews,' Mr Vermeeren said.
'One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised,' adds Mr Mulders in the magazine, Knack.
Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.
'This is a surprising result,' said Ronny Decorte, a genetic specialist who agreed that Hitler probably did have some roots in North Africa.




'It is difficult to predict, what happens with this information, both to opponents and supporters of Hitler,' he added.
The magazine says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory conditions to obtain the results.
It is not the first time that historians have suggested Hitler had Jewish ancestry.
His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.
This would have made the man who inspired the Holocaust one-quarter Jewish.


(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html#ixzz13PjAcyKT)
Reports have suggested that Hitler's nephew, Patrick, tried to blackmail his uncle over the issue of Alois Hitler's parentage. Hitler asked his lawyer, Hans Frank, to investigate the claims and he announced just before the outbreak of the Second World War that they were 'without any foundation'.
'Hitler would not have been pleased about this,' added Mr Decorte, of the Catholic University of Leuven.
'The affair is fascinating if one compares it with the conception of the world of the Nazis, in which race and blood was central.
'Hitler's concern over his descent was not unjustified. He was apparently not "pure" or "Ayran".'
DNA was also taken from American Alexander Stuart-Houston, 61, a grand-nephew of Hitler.
He was trailed for seven days before he dropped a used serviette which Mulders said led him to the cousin in Austria - and the link with Hitler's sworn enemies.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1305414/Hitler-descended-Jews-Africans-DNA-tests-reveal.html#ixzz0xi8qmp4V

[9]

Yeah, I read this in the news somewhat recently. To be honest, I have no idea why it matters at all; the whole thing of tracking down his relatives specifically for the purpose of finding out whether or not he was "descended from the people he tried to exterminate" just strikes me as being bizarre at best and totally ideologically-motivated at worst.

[mikelepore]

How valid is it to refer to a genetic code for being Jewish? I thought that being Jewish meant that someone believes the stories about David, Abraham and Moses.

[La Comédie Noire]

How valid is it to refer to a genetic code for being Jewish? I thought that being Jewish meant that someone believes the stories about David, Abraham and Moses.

Yeah that struck me as weird too, also isn't everyone descended from Africa?

[Reznov]

I'm pretty sure somewhere in the hundreds of years of our family histories that we probably have mixed somewhat, really not surprising at all.

[gorillafuck]

I don't know why this is relevant. I mean, it's not like when criticizing Hitler I'm gonna use this of all things as a reason why I oppose him. I'm much more likely to point to the fact that he was a fascist.

[Axle]

This is so irrelevant. And I love the tone of this article...like releasing these findings is supposed to make us all despise Hitler more.

Unknowingly being a genetic hypocrite is far from the worst thing the fuckhead ever did.

[ed miliband]

Well now we know that Hitler killed His Own People I think we can all safely agree that everything he did was much, much worse than we previously thought.

Remember how bourgeois commentators spoke of how Saddam Hussein needed to be toppled because he also killed His Own People, as if killing one's 'own people' is a thousand times worse than killing people in general. I think this kind of thinking ultimately gives way to racism.

[Widerstand]

I'm sure some conspiracy nuts have already claimed that Hitler was a Zionist and did the Holocaust to establish Israel, and/or weed out the weak Elements of his race. That's what these studies are really good for.

[Bandito]

While I do agree that being Jewish or North African really has no importance whatsoever, I still think that this is a good middle finger up the arse of Hitler lovers we have today. And nothing else.

[CJCM]

Arent we all decendents of Africans, i mean come on....;)

[REVLEFT'S BIEGGST MATSER TROL]

I can't see why so many people here think this is useless, this is the hardest material for trolling fascists yet discovered, and that is always a worthy cause.

[razboz]

Well now we know that Hitler killed His Own People I think we can all safely agree that everything he did was much, much worse than we previously thought.

Remember how bourgeois commentators spoke of how Saddam Hussein needed to be toppled because he also killed His Own People, as if killing one's 'own people' is a thousand times worse than killing people in general. I think this kind of thinking ultimately gives way to racism.

Also why Friendly Fire is a much worse crime than Civilian Casualties, and why we get so angry at Autonomous Nationalists.

The point about trolling is good, though. Could be a valuable resource for watching Nazis squirm a little, but in the end Hitler probably isn't important enough to enough fascists to really warrant the attention he gets.

[Q]

A chromosome called Haplopgroup E1b1b (Y-DNA) in their samples is rare in Germany and indeed Western Europe.

'It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews,' Mr Vermeeren said.

In b4 Geert Wilders claiming the second worldwar was all the fault of the Marroccans all along.

[Die Neue Zeit]

How valid is it to refer to a genetic code for being Jewish? I thought that being Jewish meant that someone believes the stories about David, Abraham and Moses.

Actually, it's about being descended from a Jewish mother.

Hitler's maternal grandmother would have to be Jewish in order for Hitler to qualify as being of Jewish descent.

[Sir Comradical]

My cousin participated in some DNA test for research which found that he had "jew" genes and he's Indian. So this really isn't that weird at all. This reminds me of this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6I1FKOcGv0

Just goes to show the absolute stupidity of all racism.

[9]

My cousin participated in some DNA test for research which found that he had "jew" genes and he's Indian. So this really isn't that weird at all.

That's probably because "Jew genes" is a bullshit concept which is a lot like something directly out of Nazi eugenics. These days, though, its the people who deny the existence of "Jew genes" who are suspected of "anti-Semitism". :rolleyes:

[MellowViper]

Were all Africans, really, but that's very ironic that he had close ancestry.

[Comrade Marxist Bro]

I can't see why so many people here think this is useless, this is the hardest material for trolling fascists yet discovered, and that is always a worthy cause.

Good Lord. Well, don't forget to point out that H. "was gay and killed to hide it" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/07/books.booksnews). :rolleyes:

[hatzel]

Well I heard something like 70-80% of the Dutch have Jewish ancestry...it makes so much difference...I'd say that if Hitler didn't consider himself Jewish / African, then it doesn't matter. If this test had been done in the early 30's, or if Hitler knew that his great-great-great-grandmother or something had slid up from the Sudan, then it might have been somewhat relevant, from a psychological perspective or something. Still, I largely stick to the self-identification approach when it comes to racial classification, so of course Hitler was a good Aryan...with his blond hair and...wait, weren't the Gypsies held up as the perfect and 'unpolluted' example of the ancient Aryan people in the late 19th century? Hell, I just don't understand all this stuff :rolleyes:

[Rafiq]

Shouldn't this be proof to Neo-Nazi's that their "Great Fuher and Leader" was part Black and Jewish and that Racial superiority does not exist? They worshiped hitler!

[DragonQuestWes]

If this is true, I wouldn't really be surprised.

A lot racists/nationalists tend to be in denial about their ancestry from millions of years ago.

[4 Leaf Clover]

We all descend from Africa anyways. Stupid racist theories were abandoned centuries ago , somehow there are still nazi boneheads creeping on earth

[Manic Impressive]

"We all descend from Africa anyways."

Honestly I'm not entirely convinced and it's still a theory last I heard. My not being convinced has absolutely no racial basis to it, it's purely at looking at the evidence backing the theory. It's sketchy to say the least full of holes and if, but's and maybe's. For instance they don't know how the first people actually left Africa let alone got to America and Australia and the amount that left were no more than a couple of hundred. The reason it's accepted by many is because there is no plausible alternative. A theory being the only way to explain something does not make it science fact.

[Tavarisch_Mike]

"We all descend from Africa anyways."

Honestly I'm not entirely convinced and it's still a theory last I heard. My not being convinced has absolutely no racial basis to it, it's purely at looking at the evidence backing the theory. It's sketchy to say the least full of holes and if, but's and maybe's. For instance they don't know how the first people actually left Africa let alone got to America and Australia and the amount that left were no more than a couple of hundred. The reason it's accepted by many is because there is no plausible alternative. A theory being the only way to explain something does not make it science fact.

All sience is built on theories, since sience isnt static and oppen to any new evidence. All fossils frome our earliest ancestores where finded in Africa, all fossils frome early homo sapiens where finded in Africa, our closest relative are the chimpanzees that live in Africa.
The out of Africa-theory arnt based on presumptions, or lack of alternatives, its based on material evidence that can be followed, in the latest years the genetics have showed that the theory is still the most logic. Sub-Saharan Africa has the greatest genetic variation, which means that people have lived there for the longest time, the small group that left and populated the rest of the globe have been tracked by genetics, all none-africans are extremly close related and therefor its easy to follow theire gens and since the variation is smaller then in Africa and you can compare them theive comed to the conclusion that the ones who left cant have been more then a couple of hundreds, its no guessing game. I suggest anyone who wants to know more, to check out the genographic-project (initiaed by National Geographic)which is a huhge project thats trying to make a map over the human gens and to get answers about our earliest history.

[A.J.]

Well I heard something like 70-80% of the Dutch have Jewish ancestry...it makes so much difference...I'd say that if Hitler didn't consider himself Jewish / African, then it doesn't matter. If this test had been done in the early 30's, or if Hitler knew that his great-great-great-grandmother or something had slid up from the Sudan, then it might have been somewhat relevant, from a psychological perspective or something. Still, I largely stick to the self-identification approach when it comes to racial classification, so of course Hitler was a good Aryan...with his blond hair and...wait, weren't the Gypsies held up as the perfect and 'unpolluted' example of the ancient Aryan people in the late 19th century? Hell, I just don't understand all this stuff :rolleyes:

I recently read somewhere that 90% of Polish people have Jewish ancestry. Ironic, therefore, that Poles are probably the most anti-Semitic people in Europe today. Although, I suppose, their anti-Semitism unlike that of the Hitlerite-Fascists, has nothing to do with biological racism. More a combination of economic jealousy and religious bigotry.