Learn To Protect Yourself From The Police Baton

[Rakhmetov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quXdVnM2qjc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIxkPHIP24c&feature=related

[EvilRedGuy]

Thanks!

[WeAreReborn]

Interesting and thanks for post, but I think it is much easier watched on the computer then done. :laugh:

[Optiow]

Very interesting!

I myself find the baton 'backslash' quite a brutal move, but it is easily repelled if you know how to do it.

[La Comédie Noire]

That's cool, but I don't know how well it'd work against a group of men with batons. Also, some people might want to consider the legal ramifications of defending yourself from a baton in such a manner against the police. I've heard of cases where people have been charged with assault against an officer for merely raising their arm to ward off a blow to the head.

The one where he flips him is sick.

[Rakhmetov]

Those clips are taken from a video called Budojujutsu: An American System by Al Thomas (only available in VHS). Here's the intro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LSycphZf3k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnxONJsn-RY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UnGElqZr8M&feature=related

http://www.amazon.com/World-Martial-Arts-VHS-Thomas/dp/6300181626/ref=sr_1_2?s=dvd&ie=UTF8&qid=1288124915&sr=1-2

[Psy]

That's cool, but I don't know how well it'd work against a group of men with batons.

Riot police in larges formations mostly try to stay in a line formation and use their shields as their primary weapon.



Also, some people might want to consider the legal ramifications of defending yourself from a baton in such a manner against the police. I've heard of cases where people have been charged with assault against an officer for merely raising their arm to ward off a blow to the head.

Pretty much.

[tracher999]

tnx man keep u the good work

[Quail]

I'm not really sure how effective watching these videos would actually be, and I'm pretty sure if you managed to pull off any of those moves on a cop you'd get arrested. Thanks for sharing though.

[~Spectre]

Since this is an area in which I can, humbly, claim a bit of expertise in, allow me to chime in with a few thoughts:

- IMO a lot of what was shown is impractical, and downright incorrect/detrimental.

One shouldn't make a strategy of planning to block/deflect a baton strike. Especially with that sort of form. In the first video, first strike, you're always a few inches away from a broken wrist/hand, and good luck defending yourself then.

Ideally, you want to always just have it avoid any and all contact with you. Evade, evade, circle away, back step. If you have to strike him, you utilize kicks to keep yourself further away, and you want to make him/her miss with the strikes first ideally.

Obviously that won't always work, so you block ONLY if it's otherwise going to hit you. And when you do block, try to use a form that keeps that thing away from hands/wrists.

-If you're going to try to grab the baton, a better strategy is to simply go for a disarm. A lot of these techniques where you can instantly use it against him/her simply won't work due to a lack of leverage/strength difference etc.

If you can get your hands on the baton, simply twist it HARD against the person's wrist in a rotating motion. Disarming them and potentially having a baton to use against them is much better than very low percentage techniques shown in the first video.


- Don't bother with that throw shown. Traditional jiu-jitsu makes very poor use of leverage, and that throw is an example. You'll never get it on most grown adults, especially if they are bigger and stronger than you - the leverage simply isn't there for even the lock, let alone the throw.

As a general strategy point, I wouldn't recommend transitioning from a lock to a throw anyway unless you can't finish the lock/ need to run. Locks can control an opponent and disable his ability to harm you. Throws actually do very little unless the person tries to post up (break their fall with a locked out arm, which usually breaks their arm) or gets spiked (head first impact which usually results in neck damage).

Needless to say I highly discourage you from trying to use a strategy that relies on crippling a police officer.

- Traditional martial arts, while having some worthwhile elements and being very rich in discipline and respect etc, are not very useful in the modern context.

Traditional martial arts are filled with ineffective techniques, and training methods for unrealistic scenarios, because these arts are often synthesized with an unscientific methodology.

Modern martial arts, such as submission grappling, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, etc are based more on the real application of concepts like leverage, and are put together in a more highly tested atmosphere of verification due to having a large international competition scene. Same thing with wrestling though it predates the rest of the arts, and ditto with striking styles like Muay Thai boxing, boxing, and kickboxing as opposed to traditional striking systems.

- Conclusion, in most cases, it's just better to run if you're fighting someone with any sort of weapon unless you have no choice, and you're a very competent fighter.

For good training, try the more modern opportunities, and comrades in states that have a decent folkstyle/freestyle/greco-roman wrestling scene should definitely explore that route.

[Ele'ill]

Does the video or is there a video describing how to fend off a line of horse mounted animals swinging batons through the tear gas while the LRAD is blaring away?

I'd like to see that move. :thumbup1:

[Rakhmetov]

Does the video or is there a video describing how to fend off a line of horse mounted animals swinging batons through the tear gas while the LRAD is blaring away?

I'd like to see that move. :thumbup1:

It's called a General Strike.

:cool:

[Nuvem]

My recommendation:

http://www.gun-zone.com/images/Rifles/ak47bayonet_400.gif

Bayonet to the throat'll set em straight.

[Psy]

My recommendation:

http://www.gun-zone.com/images/Rifles/ak47bayonet_400.gif

Bayonet to the throat'll set em straight.

Problem is police change their tactics drastically when they face fire arms and eventually no longer call the shots. In Detroit July 1967 the US Army took over operations from the National Guard (that took over from the police) in Detroit when faced with armed militant black Vietnam vets and the US Army brought in M113 light armor vehicles that dominated the battlefield of Detroit as they faced no enemy with even the most basic anti-tank capabilities.

Basically don't underestimate the response of the bourgeois state.