"neo-conservative" and "neo-liberal"

[Oswy]

What's the difference? Are they interchangeable or do they represent some significant ideological, social, political or economic differences?

Were Reagan and Thatcher neo-liberals or neo-conservatives? What about Clinton, George W. Bush and Tony Blair? What about that stupid "grizzly momma" woman in Alaska?

[ZeroNowhere]

As far as I am aware, 'neoliberalism' refers to support for deregulation, free trade and the 'free market', whereas 'neoconservatism' involves support for imperialism and wars such as the War in Iraq, etc, to 'spread democracy', as well as the prevention of significant rival nation-states like the USSR. In other words, 'neoliberalism' is primarily economic, while 'neoconservatism' is primarily to do with foreign policy. Neoconservatism can imply support for the welfare state, in which case it would be incompatible with neoliberalism, as it was used to apply to leftists who supported Cold War foreign policy and interventionism; however, in modern times it is increasingly used differently, in more or less a manner simply concerned with foreign policy, so that Bush and so on are called neoconservative simply due to their interventionism.

[PoliticalNightmare]

I have heard differently to your explanation of 'neoliberalism', Zero. I have heard that neoliberalism is a term coined for what are, essentially corporatists: those who support big government bail outs for big businesses, funding big businesses with taxes, etc. I think of New Labour when I hear the term 'neoliberal'. I also heard that neoliberalism differs from classical liberalism because classical liberals are opposed to regulation, taxing people, or bailing out big businesses (they think the free market will punish them :laugh:).

Cheers.

[RadioRaheem84]

Neo conservatives were once liberals that converted over to conservatism but retained a lot of their idealistic characteristics which they think the United States should project in military might.

Think of Wilsonian rhetoric of expanding liberal democracy or Trotsky's permanent revolution, only in right wing form.

Eliminate the realism of past conservative movements and replace it with a over idealistic mish mash of myths and cultural supremacy.

That is why some supposed leftists like Hitchens like the neo-cons.

[graymouser]

Neoliberalism refers to the post-Keynesian, post-social democratic re-assertion of classical liberalism on a global scale; particularly it has come to stand for austerity and rollbacks of government spending combined with heavy emphasis on selling off state assets and establishing (ostensibly) free markets. Globalization has essentially been "neoliberal" over the last 20 years.

Neoconservatism is a primarily American phenomenon, deriving from the right wing of the socialist movement. Max Shachtman (who broke with Trotsky in 1940 over the class nature of the USSR) and the circles surrounding him became increasingly anti-communist during the 20th century, so that by the '60s they were supporting US imperialism over Cuba, Vietnam and so on. After Shachtman's death in 1972, the "State Department Socialists" blended into the new, highly ideological American expansionist wing of conservatism, losing the social democratic edge and becoming part of the conservative movement. Neoconservative ideology heavily colored George W. Bush's foreign policy and the two became tightly identified.

[Cencus]

from what i have understood neo-conservativism sprung up as a right wing reaction to what was seen as the excesses of the 60s e.g. sexual liberation the emergence of the "teenager" etc.. Essentially a return to the social conservatism of the 19th century and early 20th century.

Neo liberalism is meant to be a rehashing of 19th century liberalism e.g. free market bollocks.

[gorillafuck]

Neo-liberalism is support for deregulation and ultracapitalist economics.

Neo-conservativism is support for very aggressive American foreign policy that topples anti-American governments/movements and installs pro-American governments, and socially conservative ideas.

A liberal hawk is someone who is a neo-con without the social conservativism.