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Yazman
8th August 2003, 07:00
What is modern Vietnam like? Did Ho Chi Minh and his men do well with their version of socialism? I don't know all that much about vietnamese socialism, and would like to know. Any information would be good, thanks.

Nobody
9th August 2003, 03:10
Really depends where in the country you are. Read an aticle in the last 6 months that made the claim that there are more tels per capa then Toyoko. In the same paragraph they mention farmers making 1 dollar a day. I guess it depends who and where you are.

one sick kid
14th August 2003, 15:07
i lived in hanoi for 2 years, though i was too young to realise the political significance of being there, i remember it pretty well. i have been to hochiminh, and one of the farming villages, Mi Chou, Mai Chaou? anyway yeah, i wouldn't be at all surprised if you had farmers working for a dollar a day there. the people in the rural areas and in central vietnam are considerably poor, and you still have people sufferig from agent orange (the lovely souvenirs the us left behind). even the "developed" cities wouldn't be considered developed according to what white, middle-class teenagers are used to. things like families of 10 all sleeping in one room, and families of four on bicycles is not uncommon. vietnam's the poorest country i've lived in, yet i've seen happier people in hanoi than i have in any other developed city.

ComradeJunichi
14th August 2003, 15:34
I have heard something about North Korea opening up a fast food restaurant or something in Ho Chi Minh City, is this true? I might have switched the countries around, I'm not sure. Can anyone correct me?

elijahcraig
14th August 2003, 21:51
A girl named Junahlyn in my school who I am friends with used to live in Vietnam. I heard her talking to my English teacher about Vietnam, they said that the political situation had unfortunately gotten much worse.

one sick kid
15th August 2003, 01:18
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 03:34 PM
I have heard something about North Korea opening up a fast food restaurant or something in Ho Chi Minh City, is this true? I might have switched the countries around, I'm not sure. Can anyone correct me?
i severely doubt it, im pretty sure they dont even have mcdonalds. in hanoi there was nothing close to fast food except for a "Good Burger" or "Happy Burger" or something. Ho chi minh is slightly more developed though..this place (http://www.dpi.hochiminhcity.gov.vn/invest/html/vis3.html#tan) says they have KFC, which is news to me.

Dr. Rosenpenis
15th August 2003, 02:03
There's a lad in my school who is from S. Vietnam. I haven't talked to him about politics. His name is huey or something like that. I think it's pronounced Wee or We, or Hugh, i dunno.

one sick kid
15th August 2003, 17:52
it would be pronounced something like "hu-way".

ComradeJunichi
15th August 2003, 21:58
Originally posted by one sick kid+Aug 15 2003, 01:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (one sick kid @ Aug 15 2003, 01:18 AM)
[email protected] 14 2003, 03:34 PM
I have heard something about North Korea opening up a fast food restaurant or something in Ho Chi Minh City, is this true? I might have switched the countries around, I&#39;m not sure. Can anyone correct me?
i severely doubt it, im pretty sure they dont even have mcdonalds. in hanoi there was nothing close to fast food except for a "Good Burger" or "Happy Burger" or something. Ho chi minh is slightly more developed though..this place (http://www.dpi.hochiminhcity.gov.vn/invest/html/vis3.html#tan) says they have KFC, which is news to me. [/b]
I believe you did not read my reply properly, I was talking about North Korea opening up a restaurant in Vietnam or vice versa. I do not recall specific details.

one sick kid
16th August 2003, 04:31
Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2003, 09:58 PM
I believe you did not read my reply properly, I was talking about North Korea opening up a restaurant in Vietnam or vice versa. I do not recall specific details.
what i was trying to say is that they dont really HAVE fast food restaurants in vietnam, so i doubt north korea would have opened one there. in the vice versa case, i dont know.

Saint-Just
16th August 2003, 23:44
Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2003, 03:34 PM
I have heard something about North Korea opening up a fast food restaurant or something in Ho Chi Minh City, is this true? I might have switched the countries around, I&#39;m not sure. Can anyone correct me?
They opened a resteraunt called &#39;Pyongyang Teadonggang Restaurant&#39; in Ho Chi Minh City.

ComradeJunichi
17th August 2003, 00:44
Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Aug 16 2003, 11:44 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Aug 16 2003, 11:44 PM)
[email protected] 14 2003, 03:34 PM
I have heard something about North Korea opening up a fast food restaurant or something in Ho Chi Minh City, is this true? I might have switched the countries around, I&#39;m not sure. Can anyone correct me?
They opened a resteraunt called &#39;Pyongyang Teadonggang Restaurant&#39; in Ho Chi Minh City. [/b]
Thanks comrade. I&#39;d love to try some North Korean food. There are, ofcourse, many similarities but I would imagine there are many differences also. I remember a former North Korean citizen came to South Korea and opened up a Naeng-Myun restaurant and it became a chain restaurant. There&#39;s a South Korean restaurant called Hahm Heung Naeng-Myun, they claim to make it just like Hahm Heung (a city in the Northern part of North Korea).

Perhaps we can try some when we go to North Korea together :D

Saint-Just
17th August 2003, 16:29
Originally posted by ComradeJunichi+Aug 17 2003, 12:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ComradeJunichi @ Aug 17 2003, 12:44 AM)
Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 16 2003, 11:44 PM

[email protected] 14 2003, 03:34 PM
I have heard something about North Korea opening up a fast food restaurant or something in Ho Chi Minh City, is this true? I might have switched the countries around, I&#39;m not sure. Can anyone correct me?
They opened a resteraunt called &#39;Pyongyang Teadonggang Restaurant&#39; in Ho Chi Minh City.
Thanks comrade. I&#39;d love to try some North Korean food. There are, ofcourse, many similarities but I would imagine there are many differences also. I remember a former North Korean citizen came to South Korea and opened up a Naeng-Myun restaurant and it became a chain restaurant. There&#39;s a South Korean restaurant called Hahm Heung Naeng-Myun, they claim to make it just like Hahm Heung (a city in the Northern part of North Korea).

Perhaps we can try some when we go to North Korea together :D [/b]
Thats interesting. I&#39;ve heard about some special dishes in North Korea, cold noodles was one I seem to remember. Theres few Korean resteraunts in Britain and those that there is are expensive since its only real food connoisseurs that go to them.

I too look forward to sampling their food, and their drinks.

canikickit
19th August 2003, 01:36
Modern Vietnam is history&#33;

Saint-Just
19th August 2003, 01:59
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 01:36 AM
Modern Vietnam is history&#33;
I&#39;ve not ever been spiriticial before, but this is it, you have converted me, MODERN Vietnam is NOT history. IT NEVER HAPPENED, N.O.W. it is, its history NOW.

I I am to be serious, what are you talking about?

You gave 4 words, each one I am grateful for. However, I undertood none. I will give £1,000,000 to the individual can explain clearly what is said.

ComradeJunichi
19th August 2003, 04:06
Originally posted by Chairman Mao+Aug 19 2003, 01:59 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Chairman Mao @ Aug 19 2003, 01:59 AM)
[email protected] 19 2003, 01:36 AM
Modern Vietnam is history&#33;
I&#39;ve not ever been spiriticial before, but this is it, you have converted me, MODERN Vietnam is NOT history. IT NEVER HAPPENED, N.O.W. it is, its history NOW.

I I am to be serious, what are you talking about?

You gave 4 words, each one I am grateful for. However, I undertood none. I will give £1,000,000 to the individual can explain clearly what is said. [/b]
ROFL, comrade&#33; Dude, are you drunk again? I remember you doing this last time also, lol. Well, cheers to good health comrade :)

redstar2000
19th August 2003, 05:12
Vietnam is restoring capitalism...

http://www.cpv.org.vn/hotnews/2003/mar03_b...tbeadriving.htm (http://www.cpv.org.vn/hotnews/2003/mar03_businessesmustbeadriving.htm)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3050906.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3130979.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from...ent/3059717.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/3059717.stm)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2662465.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2349059.stm

etc., etc., etc.

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Saint-Just
19th August 2003, 17:13
Originally posted by ComradeJunichi+Aug 19 2003, 04:06 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ComradeJunichi @ Aug 19 2003, 04:06 AM)
Originally posted by Chairman [email protected] 19 2003, 01:59 AM

[email protected] 19 2003, 01:36 AM
Modern Vietnam is history&#33;
I&#39;ve not ever been spiriticial before, but this is it, you have converted me, MODERN Vietnam is NOT history. IT NEVER HAPPENED, N.O.W. it is, its history NOW.

I I am to be serious, what are you talking about?

You gave 4 words, each one I am grateful for. However, I undertood none. I will give £1,000,000 to the individual can explain clearly what is said.
ROFL, comrade&#33; Dude, are you drunk again? I remember you doing this last time also, lol. Well, cheers to good health comrade :) [/b]
Yes, perhaps my comment should be ignored. I&#39;m usually drunk when visiting this site since I often visit it when I get home in the evening. Usually I am able to restrain myself, I must have been very drunk that night, whenever it was, possibly yesterday.

Chewillneverdie
19th August 2003, 17:59
no its off the topic, but was Vietnam not better b4 the war? from what i hear from Nam Vets (family has quite a few of special forces in it) that The S Vietnam people were treated like shit, killed for no damn reason, enslaved, im just saying u shouldnt support something just cus it was a Communist act, I think the war was shit and fuckin worthless when the assholes didnt care about the troops or the people all they cared bout was another communist country was rising up , and figured they needed to stop it, i think the communist takeover was horrible, and i feel sorry for the S vietnamese people because we just left them. (USA) i hate the government for putting boys in there but i dont like how the N Vietnamese tortured and executed just bout all the pows they saw, plus they shot up medics for the fun of it. but i guess my question is, do u think that the Communist takeover was a good thing?

ComradeJunichi
19th August 2003, 18:46
Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2003, 05:59 PM
no its off the topic, but was Vietnam not better b4 the war? from what i hear from Nam Vets (family has quite a few of special forces in it) that The S Vietnam people were treated like shit, killed for no damn reason, enslaved, im just saying u shouldnt support something just cus it was a Communist act, I think the war was shit and fuckin worthless when the assholes didnt care about the troops or the people all they cared bout was another communist country was rising up , and figured they needed to stop it, i think the communist takeover was horrible, and i feel sorry for the S vietnamese people because we just left them. (USA) i hate the government for putting boys in there but i dont like how the N Vietnamese tortured and executed just bout all the pows they saw, plus they shot up medics for the fun of it. but i guess my question is, do u think that the Communist takeover was a good thing?
Why do you even have Che Guevara&#39;s name in your ID?

no its off the topic, but was Vietnam not better b4 the war?

Vietnam was a colony of an empire before the wars.

from what i hear from Nam Vets (family has quite a few of special forces in it) that The S Vietnam people were treated like shit, killed for no damn reason, enslaved

The North Vietnamese civlians were treated like shit, e.g. the Mai Lai Massacre. There a bunch of war crimes, and crimes against humanity, acts of unnecessary violence. They were killed for no damn reason and enslaved, they even show this in American Vietnam War films.

im just saying u shouldnt support something just cus it was a Communist act

I&#39;m saying, you should listen to all Western Propaganda because it won&#39;t always be the truth, because it was "a communist act".

I think the war was shit and fuckin worthless when the assholes didnt care about the troops or the people all they cared bout was another communist country was rising up

I think the war was bullshit, however I disagree with the fact you think "the assholes didn&#39;t care about the troops or the people, all they fcared about another communist country rising up". Once again, why do you ahve Che&#39;s name in your ID?

It was a war for independence, for a unified Vietnam.

i think the communist takeover was horrible

"Communist takeover", once again, why do you have Che&#39;s name in your ID?

i feel sorry for the S vietnamese people because we just left them.

You are disgusting and you do not deserve to have Che&#39;s name in your ID. I feel sorry for the whole of the Vietnamese people because the United Stated started a war that was completely unnecessary and they went against their own word. They interfered in a conflict that had nothing to do with them, it was an act of imperialism and I stand completely opposed to it.

i hate the government for putting boys in there but i dont like how the N Vietnamese tortured and executed just bout all the pows they saw

I hate the US government for sending troops there also. I hate the troops for torturing just about every Vietnamese village.

but i guess my question is, do u think that the Communist takeover was a good thing?

Why do you hae Che&#39;s name in your ID?

Yes, the unification of an independent Vietnam under the red banner was a glorious &#39;thing&#39;.

IPkurd
19th August 2003, 23:45
nicly done ComradeJunichi nicly done&#33;&#33; :P :D