what is your opionion on Teddy rosevelt?

[commieboy]

What do you think about him? I like him most because of his work on state parks and wildlife conservation.

[elijahcraig]

I personally think hes a good guy.

Wtf? Imperialist pigs get no good will from me.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Let us not forget social welfare and unions. You're goin' off the deep end comrade Elijah.

[TXsocialist]

He was a shrewd Imperialist who agreed with many fascist principles(such as warfare being the health of the state)

Oh, and lets not forget his attacks against unions, welfare, and his support for crushing the IWW and Socialist Party, yea, what a great guy...

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 8 2003, 12:31 AM
Let us not forget social welfare and unions. You're goin' off the deep end comrade Elijah.
RAF,
I think you have Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt mixed up. FDR was considered a "Christian Socialist" (more of a moderate who reformed like crazy, in my most humble opinion) by some, but his Uncle Teddy (an earlier president and who commieboy is talking about) was not very friendly to unions and did nothing in the way of social welfare...

[TXsocialist]

FDR saved capitalism, nothing more. He ticvked off only SOME industrialists who didn't realize their own plight, he saved the idustrialist from destruction.

[bluerev002]

Isnt Teddy R. the guy who came up with the Panama Canal?

<_<

[commieboy]

i&#39;ve read his book "rough riders" about the spanish-american war. And i think him fighting for the independance of Cuba is a good thing....i didnt know about the bad things about him...im a product of Amican propaganda....all i know is the good things, and the "Teddy Bear" was named after him. so what are the bad things he did?

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by Marxist in Nebraska+Aug 8 2003, 06:24 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Marxist in Nebraska @ Aug 8 2003, 06:24 PM)
COMRADE [email protected] 8 2003, 12:31 AM
Let us not forget social welfare and unions. You&#39;re goin&#39; off the deep end comrade Elijah.
RAF,
I think you have Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt mixed up. FDR was considered a "Christian Socialist" (more of a moderate who reformed like crazy, in my most humble opinion) by some, but his Uncle Teddy (an earlier president and who commieboy is talking about) was not very friendly to unions and did nothing in the way of social welfare... [/b]
Yesindeed I am mistaken. I was referring the FDR.

[elijahcraig]

Whew, I was getting scared there RAF. Teddy a good guy? Ask Latin America.

[SonofRage]

FDR was better than most. He started Social Security. right-wingers hate him (http://www.fff.org/freedom/0891a.asp).

[Morpheus]

The US fought to install a puppet government in Cuba, not to make it independant. This was America&#39;s first puppet government, it lasted until the Cuban Revolution when the US was kicked out. The Spanish American war was a prime example of American Imperialism. The US took over former Spanish colonies and made them US colonies. In the Phillipinese, which the US conquered during the Spanish-American war, a guerilla war was waged against the US to establish an independant government. The US set up concentration camps and crushed the movement. It was also founded on misleading the public (remember the Maine&#33;). Teddy was a brutal mass murderer who&#39;s military occupied many countries. He also signed a law making it illegal for anarchists to immigrate to the United States and persecuted radicals & unions.

[elijahcraig]

He also signed a law making it illegal for anarchists to immigrate to the United States and persecuted radicals & unions.

I wish we could bring this guy back so I could beat the shit out of him with a baseball bat and a nine iron.

[Rastafari]

you mean, discuss it reasonably like two gentlemen?

[Rastafari]

edit: double post.

But I will use this as an oppurtunity to explain why I am being a dick towards ElijahCraig. Because he makes no sense and I disagree with about everything he says

[elijahcraig]

Roosevelt was an enemy of the people, mass murderer, and banned radicals from coming to America; I have no feelings for him other than a great hatred.

[commieboy]

No offense Elija, but i dont know you&#39;re phsical capibilities but Teddy was always in fit condition, and he was always armed...plus he rowed scull in college, and rowed to go fishing until he died.....i think you might want to move up to the 2 iron, or maybe a wedge.

[Faeelin]

Teddy supported the workers in the coal strike, and attacked trusts, yes?

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 11:18 PM
The US fought to install a puppet government in Cuba, not to make it independant. This was America&#39;s first puppet government, it lasted until the Cuban Revolution when the US was kicked out. The Spanish American war was a prime example of American Imperialism. The US took over former Spanish colonies and made them US colonies. In the Phillipinese, which the US conquered during the Spanish-American war, a guerilla war was waged against the US to establish an independant government. The US set up concentration camps and crushed the movement. It was also founded on misleading the public (remember the Maine&#33;). Teddy was a brutal mass murderer who&#39;s military occupied many countries. He also signed a law making it illegal for anarchists to immigrate to the United States and persecuted radicals & unions.
Very true, Morpheus... The Phillipine War is really not discussed at all in US history classes. I have heard it described as the Vietnam before Vietnam. There certainly are parallels between the war in Vietnam in the &#39;50s, &#39;60s, and &#39;70s and the war in the Phillipines from 1898 until... didn&#39;t it keep going until about WW1?

Faeelin,
TR has a reputation for being a great Progressive. In reality, he was a conservative performing token gestures to preserve capitalism. His reputation as a trustbuster is exaggerated. His successor, President William Howard Taft (handpicked by TR, no less), is seen as a corporate whore almost universally yet Taft if I remember correctly broke up more trusts in a busy month than Roosevelt did in his six or seven years as President. Howard Zinn does a great job in revealing how undeserving TR is of all the praise he gets.

[Jesus Christ]

i think he is a very good man despite him being a right winger beacuse of his environmental work, and environmentalism goes deeper than any politics for me

[elijahcraig]

No offense Elija, but i dont know you&#39;re phsical capibilities but Teddy was always in fit condition, and he was always armed...plus he rowed scull in college, and rowed to go fishing until he died.....i think you might want to move up to the 2 iron, or maybe a wedge.

Or maybe a 44 would do better? That would be in order for this pig.

[MikeyBoy]

But I will use this as an oppurtunity to explain why I am being a dick towards ElijahCraig. Because he makes no sense and I disagree with about everything he says

LOL.

Well, I don&#39;t think ol&#39; Teddy could&#39;ve been much worse than any other bigoted mass murdering US President.

[Indysocialist]

How about a nice icepick to the scrot for Teddy boy? I find it amusing that people quote that guy just because he was "the outspoken one. OOoooohhh ooooh look at me, I&#39;m quoting Teddy Roosevelt, give me a fucking medal&#33;" If I was FDR I would&#39;ve run his fat ass over with my wheelchair.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

Comrade Primus32302,
I agree that TR did do some wonderful things in the way of establishing national parks, for example. He is a surprising corporate whore of a Republican when one contrasts his environmentalism with the likes of the Bush administration today. That said, I do not think having Yellowstone park makes up for the war in the Phillipines, among his other crimes.

[Jesus Christ]

thanks for the input, but as i said, environmentalism is deeper for me than any kind of politics
but please dont think that means that i havent taken to mind his faults