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Die Neue Zeit
21st October 2010, 06:02
Several months after Chavez made no distinctions between "national" and "comprador" bourgeoisie (http://english.eluniversal.com/2010/04/14/en_pol_esp_chavez:-if-i-am-kil_14A3737731.shtml), he's at it again at least rhetorically:

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/5710

By Juan Reardon


Mérida, October 12th 2010 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez’s call for a renewed coalition of leftist political parties and social movements was praised on Monday by the Venezuelan Communist Party (PCV). Chávez announced the rebirth of the Polo Patriótico, or Patriotic Pole, this past Sunday on his weekly television program Aló Presidente.

“As of today I am calling for – and I will be at the forefront of this battle – the formation of what was and what will now be even greater, more profound, more illuminating and true: the Patriotic Pole…We can not allow for sectarianism. The PSUV [the United Socialist Party of Venezuela] can not be everything, no, it is just one part,” Chavez stated.

The Patriotic Pole was first formed in 1998 as an electoral coalition that helped secure Chávez his first presidential victory. At that time, the Patriotic Pole included Chávez’s Movement for a Fifth Republic (MVR), the Movement Towards Socialism (MAS), the Homeland for All Party (PPT), the Electoral People’s Party (MEP) and the Venezuelan Communist Party (PCV). A year later, in 1999, the Patriotic Pole won 120 of 131 seats in the Venezuelan Constitutional Assembly.

The coalition was dissolved in 2000 when the PPT withdrew, citing disagreements over selecting candidates for that year’s election. Chávez’s MVR dissolved itself in 2006 as it prepared for the birth of the PSUV.

Venezolana de Television (VTV) reported on Monday that the purpose of the renewed Patriotic Pole is to unite political and social organizations that support the revolutionary process currently underway. This is said to include the PSUV, the Venezuelan Communist Party (PCV), the Popular Unity Party (UPV) and the Electoral People’s Party (MEP), among others. In making his announcement on Sunday, Chávez said, “the solution goes much further than political parties”.

According to Oscar Figuera, general secretary of the Venezuelan Communist Party, the Patriotic Pole will be relaunched during a national meeting in which Chávez will meet with representatives of allied political parties, social movements and grassroots organizations.

Speaking to the press from PCV headquarters, Figuera expressed the PCV’s position that the Patriotic Pole will serve to consolidate a revolutionary praxis amongst organized and unorganized workers, rural workers, students and others.

“Political unity”, said Figuera, “is to be expressed where unity is so greatly needed, in social spaces such as the construction of socialist workers’ councils, community councils and communes; all as an exercise of revolutionary political power”.

This statement was reiterated by Héctor Rodríguez, national coordinator of the PSUV Youth, who described efforts underway to unite, “all sectors that coincide with the idea of a beautiful and humanist homeland, with an egalitarian society…We will work not just to construct an electoral bloc, but a general political bloc: we want this alliance to be reflected in all possible realms, in community-based struggles, in every space where people work and study”.

In announcing the renewal of the Patriotic Pole coalition, Chávez commented on its electoral importance: “You, the opposition, go about forming your coalition because we are going to confront each other and keep confronting each other, but in the 2012 [presidential elections] with the great Patriotic Pole, I take it upon myself to pulverize the antipatriotic and capitalist Pole”.

pranabjyoti
21st October 2010, 18:42
Do you think Maoism is something like a stone that can not be improved or changed as per reality? The presence of the nationalist bourgeoisie isn't an unavoidable part of Maoism and you also forgot that Maoism also fights against feudalism. Do you think feudalism existed in Venezuela? If not, then how this kind of remarks are relevant about discussing Maoism?

Kiev Communard
21st October 2010, 20:03
Chavez seems to have backtracked on his previous idea of "one ruling party". But, as always, the solution for him is "patriotic" - not revolutionary - turn. What good can come out of coalition with some troubled social-liberals and politically inconsistent PCV?

Ivan Jansa
21st October 2010, 23:06
I don't think those parties are liberal at all, well MAS and PPT certainly are not! I heard from my friend there that PCV are very Hoxha influenced and refuse to cooperate with the MAS because they find them "unrevolutionary". It's very sad to see the left being as disfranchised as it is.

Charles Xavier
22nd October 2010, 01:41
I don't think those parties are liberal at all, well MAS and PPT certainly are not! I heard from my friend there that PCV are very Hoxha influenced and refuse to cooperate with the MAS because they find them "unrevolutionary". It's very sad to see the left being as disfranchised as it is.


The Hoxha influence party is Bandera Roja, who side with the counter-revolutionaries in Venezuela. It is believed they were responsible for the killings from sniper fire during the 2003 coup attempt. The PCV is not Hoxha influenced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Party

Roach
22nd October 2010, 21:39
The Hoxha influence party is Bandera Roja, who side with the counter-revolutionaries in Venezuela. It is believed they were responsible for the killings from sniper fire during the 2003 coup attempt. The PCV is not Hoxha influenced.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Flag_Party

What kind of Hoxhaist party has an Mao picture on its website front page ? :rolleyes: http://www.bandera-roja.com/

The only party that supports the Albanian line inside Venezuela is the PCMLV. http://pcmlv.blogspot.com/

Wanted Man
22nd October 2010, 22:23
What kind of Hoxhaist party has an Mao picture on its website front page ? :rolleyes: http://www.bandera-roja.com/

That's a Spanish Maoist party: http://www.bandera-roja.com/ingles.htm

"Central Organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Spain"

Given the events in Ecuador, I don't see why the Hoxhaists care to denounce the Venezuelan Bandera Roja so much. They're basically in the same position.

I don't know much about the ideological influences of the PCV; but they support the Bolivarian process without merging into the PSUV. After all, despite its progressivism, it is still a bourgeois party in charge of a capitalist country. So why would one want to sacrifice one's organisational independence to that? According to some on here (Barry Lyndon IIRC), they are "sore losers" for not wanting to liquidate themselves into a bourgeois party.

Rusty Shackleford
22nd October 2010, 22:30
patriotism and nationalism is different in an oppressed country.

Latin America has been the neo-colony of the US since the Monroe Doctrine back in the 1800s, and basically all socialist movements in Latin America could be classified as nationalistic because they were about achieving national sovereignty independent of US influence which requires socialist development.

On the other side, revolutionaries in imperialist countries are anti-nationalist because their nations dont need liberating, they reside in the nations that dominate and colonize.

you can still be a revolutionary and a nationalist/patriot if you are in an oppressed nation.

if you tried to use nationalist rhetoric in the US, for example, you probably would be treading towards liberalism and at the extreme... fascism.

Roach
22nd October 2010, 23:20
That's a Spanish Maoist party: http://www.bandera-roja.com/ingles.htm

"Central Organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Spain".

Epic fail of mine :blushing:.No matter, PCMLV still is the representative of ICMLPO.

Die Neue Zeit
23rd October 2010, 03:43
The original post lacks any serious analysis or explanation of the article, or how it warrants the author's argument. The author expects readers to understand his argument--which itself is barely articulated in the subject line--by bold-facing the final paragraph of a reposted article.

I don't understand the link between the article and "Chavez surpassing Maoism," which itself is an incredibly vague claim. Dipping into content, I don't understand why Chavez not distinguishing between a national and comprador bourgeoisie proves that he is "surpassing Maoism." Without any explanation from the author, it leads me to believe that this weak argument is founded on a complete misunderstanding or ignorance of Mao's writings.

Not at all:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/people-s-histories-t142330/index.html?t=142330


Chavez seems to have backtracked on his previous idea of "one ruling party". But, as always, the solution for him is "patriotic" - not revolutionary - turn. What good can come out of coalition with some troubled social-liberals and politically inconsistent PCV?

Again, the link above means Miraflores management over allied parties like the PCV to correct their inconsistencies.

Charles Xavier
27th October 2010, 21:00
Epic fail of mine :blushing:.No matter, PCMLV still is the representative of ICMLPO.

Bandera Roja used to be there.