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Sasta
21st October 2010, 03:33
There was a time when the clergy and scientists harmoniously declared that the Earth was FLAT. This dogma was mandated and forced upon everyone until the flat-earth theory was undeniably disproved.

Presently, the hot-air notion that carbon emissions are causing global warming is backed by scientific dogma. The hot-air dogma has been repeatedly drummed into people’s heads. Any who dare to question the Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) dogma are ridiculed and labelled as ignorant sceptics.

There is supposedly sufficient scientific basis behind the hot-air notion of the correlation between carbon emissions and global warming that is so overwhelming that to question or debate the notion is deemed irresponsible and ignorant. In other words, the proponents of this notion expect everyone to swallow their dogma.

One has to wonder why this carbon dogma has been elevated to an unassailable “fact”. Why are all scientists expected to accept the carbon dogma and convince the public to believe in it?

There was a time when environmentalists were very concerned with pollution issues, and they constantly warned people of the dangers of nuclear reactors. It was not long ago that environmentalists cringed, violently protested and even stopped trains when nuclear power was advocated, and they were quick to bring up the disasters at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl to justify their concerns. Many of these same environmentalists have now been “educated” to believe that nuclear power is carbon friendly. These “newly enlightened” environmentalists have shifted 180 degrees in their positions regarding nuclear energy. They now openly accept that nuclear power will combat global warming because they believe so strongly in the notion that carbon emissions are directly responsible for global warming.

The environmentalists who now propose nuclear energy to reduce carbon emissions have been “educated” to forget that many nuclear reactors use water to cool them. The heated water is then discharged into the streams. This may be defined as carbon friendly, but it is detrimental to the environment. These new “greens” were once the “save-the-planet” environmentalists, but they have been “educated” to now actively lobby for more nuclear reactors to be constructed! So thorough has been their “education” that these environmentalists have forgotten Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, and the fact that nuclear reactors heat up the rivers and kill the fish. They have forgotten that nuclear waste is not really biodegradable. In short, they have forgotten their self-proclaimed mission to protect the planet.

According to the current “scientific” notion, carbon emissions in the atmosphere are the main culprits for global warming, and all other factors are disregarded in the ETS equation. Most scientists are supporting the carbon dogma by claiming that increases in glacial melting, rising sea levels, and warmer air and water temperatures around the world indicate that the truth behind the carbon dogma is irrefutable. However, the mere existence of these symptoms does not necessarily make them correlative, and as such they cannot conclusively support, let alone verify, the carbon dogma. This begs the question, “Does the concept necessarily explain the environmental symptoms, and do the symptoms preclude the validity of any other concept?”

My question about whether carbon emissions cause higher temperatures is enough to have me ridiculed and mislabelled as a climate-warming denier by the “educated” scientists and by those who echo the carbon dogma.

It is a known fact that many springs, creeks, streams and rivers are warmer than they were in past decades. Is it not much more reasonable to assume that the temperature increases in springs, creeks, streams and rivers are directly caused by geothermal conditions rather than indirectly caused by a warmer atmosphere? Water is more resistant to temperature changes than air is. It is quicker and easier to heat a pot of water on a stove than it is to heat the air around the pot of water and wait for it to increase the temperature of the water in the pot.

In simple terms, the carbon dogma points to the warmer atmosphere as the main contributor to global warming. I propose that there is climate change, but that it is mainly caused by the sun and the Earth, and only marginally caused by the atmosphere.
The sun is hotter, which is evidenced by increases in solar flares and other things. Since scientists cannot credibly argue that humans have polluted the Earth’s atmosphere so much that it has caused more solar flares and a hotter sun, for purposes of their carbon dogma, they ignore the hotter sun. Likewise, the same carbon dogma proponents ignore the fact that the Earth is getting hotter. Scientists are only looking at the hot air, which is the least significant factor in global warming, whilst ignoring the much more significant factors of a hotter sun and a hotter Earth. What kind of scientific equation would eliminate the most significant factors from it? One that is unsound and filled with hot air!

It is understandable why scientists do this. Their faith in fellow scientists is so strong that they firmly believe that global warming can be abated by substantially reducing carbon emissions into the atmosphere. Whilst the reduction of carbon emissions will benefit the planet by assisting in cleaning up the air, it will not solve the problem of global warming. Scientists should have enough understanding to realize that there is very little that can be done about geothermal activities that are heating up the ground and the streams. Rather than alert people to the impending catastrophes from volcanoes and earthquakes, the people are being “educated” to believe that if they reduce carbon emissions, then the Earth will cool and become safe again. So, are the scientists who propose the carbon notion really looking out for the future of the planet? Or are they “educated” ostriches with their heads in the sand? Why are the brainwashed ostriches trying to make everyone else get sand in their hair?

Amitakh Stanford

Klaatu
22nd October 2010, 05:07
yada yada yada

please visit this other forum

http://burningissues.org/forum/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=29

ÑóẊîöʼn
22nd October 2010, 05:36
There was a time when environmentalists were very concerned with pollution issues, and they constantly warned people of the dangers of nuclear reactors. It was not long ago that environmentalists cringed, violently protested and even stopped trains when nuclear power was advocated, and they were quick to bring up the disasters at Three Mile Island and Chernobyl to justify their concerns. Many of these same environmentalists have now been “educated” to believe that nuclear power is carbon friendly. These “newly enlightened” environmentalists have shifted 180 degrees in their positions regarding nuclear energy. They now openly accept that nuclear power will combat global warming because they believe so strongly in the notion that carbon emissions are directly responsible for global warming.

lol, which environmentalists are these? As far as I'm aware major green groups like Greenpeace are still staunchly (and wrongly) against nuclear power in all forms.


The environmentalists who now propose nuclear energy to reduce carbon emissions have been “educated” to forget that many nuclear reactors use water to cool them. The heated water is then discharged into the streams. This may be defined as carbon friendly, but it is detrimental to the environment.

The waste heat doesn't have to be pumped into the nearest river - it could be dissipated in cooling towers or even used to provide domestic heating for nearby homes. There are even some designs that do not use water as coolant.


These new “greens” were once the “save-the-planet” environmentalists, but they have been “educated” to now actively lobby for more nuclear reactors to be constructed! So thorough has been their “education” that these environmentalists have forgotten Three Mile Island and Chernobyl, and the fact that nuclear reactors heat up the rivers and kill the fish. They have forgotten that nuclear waste is not really biodegradable. In short, they have forgotten their self-proclaimed mission to protect the planet.

Three Mile Island did not hurt anybody, and an accident like Chernobyl is highly unlikely in modern reactor designs - in fact there are reactors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor) in which a meltdown is physically impossible due to their design.


In simple terms, the carbon dogma points to the warmer atmosphere as the main contributor to global warming. I propose that there is climate change, but that it is mainly caused by the sun and the Earth, and only marginally caused by the atmosphere.
The sun is hotter, which is evidenced by increases in solar flares and other things. Since scientists cannot credibly argue that humans have polluted the Earth’s atmosphere so much that it has caused more solar flares and a hotter sun, for purposes of their carbon dogma, they ignore the hotter sun. Likewise, the same carbon dogma proponents ignore the fact that the Earth is getting hotter. Scientists are only looking at the hot air, which is the least significant factor in global warming, whilst ignoring the much more significant factors of a hotter sun and a hotter Earth. What kind of scientific equation would eliminate the most significant factors from it? One that is unsound and filled with hot air!

By what mechanism is the Earth getting hotter?

Noinu
23rd October 2010, 21:37
That's about the 100th time I've heard someone make these exact same arguments against those who believe global warming is mostly due to human activity.
Personally I don't much believe in coincidences, so I'm going to stick to the whole greenhouse gas emissions, but here's my point: What do you think it matters?
Why do people still keep focusing on who or what to blame? The world is getting warmer, there's no denying that.
What does it matter if it's natural or not, if we're all going to be affected in a negative way? Now lowering gas emissions is a start, it probably won't solve anything, but it might just slow things down long enough to find a permament solution.
Does that solution mean no warmer world? Not necessarily, but if we as humans want to survive this, maybe we should try focusing on finding a way to do that, rather than pointing fingers and calling others ignorant and uneducated.

Noinu
23rd October 2010, 21:38
By what mechanism is the Earth getting hotter?


I understood that he meant the Earth is getting hotter by geothermal heat, as in the Earth's core is getting warmer (not really sure how this is supposed to be happening.....)

Klaatu
24th October 2010, 01:22
"Hotter sun?" where is the evidence? In fact, the sun's total output has actually been slightly decreasing.

"Carbon dogma?" This is from a self-professed alien on a mission? And what of this so-called "spirit-world?" Where is the science behind that?

Here is a quick search on a quack:

Amitakh Stanford's "Viable" and "True Light Beings" - rising CULT
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message346756/pg1

Amitakh Stanford to Oz Reporter: "I am an Alien with a mission"
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/amitakhstanfordalien11sep08.shtml

Dr. Amitakh Stanford, Healer & Specialist
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread298491/pg1

The Fighting_Crusnik
24th October 2010, 01:45
The way I see it, the changes in climate are natural. However, in the specific change that we are in, this change is way ahead of where it should be and I blame human actions for being the cause of this acceleration... however, truth be told, I don't think these changes will be all bad. But the process to those changes will cause a lot of turmoil, and unless we remain calm and deal with the changes as they come, civilization as we know it will crumble.

mikelepore
24th October 2010, 06:16
Compare the risks. What bad result would occur if we should get excited about global warming but we don't? Destruction of the environment. What bad result would occur if we shouldn't get excited about global warming but we do? Solar and wind power will get developed sooner although there is still some coal and oil available. These risks are so asymmetrical that we shouldn't require a lot of evidence in order to take action.

Salyut
24th October 2010, 07:52
OP is lol.

Dentists have become so indoctrinated by the ruling elite's propaganda that they ardently believe and support the "benefits" of fluoride for healthy teeth. The main reason that the malicious propaganda on fluoride is so widely accepted and promoted is the subtle programming behind it. This is not so much a physical programming as it is subliminal. The culprits behind the fluoride conspiracy are the Anunnaki Reptilians. (http://xeeatwelve.com/articles/greys_anatomy_fluoride.html)

edit: lololol
As I indicated three years ago, part of the Olcar war plans involves the superheating and melting of glacial ice around the world. Aliens are now very actively melting ice on the planet and influencing humans to do so also. Whilst the air and water temperatures are rising, they are not rising at the rates represented by the rapid ice melting. In other words, part of the alien war is manifesting in unnatural glacial thaws. As might be expected, the Antarctic ice, anchored to a land mass, is less vulnerable to alien attacks upon it than is the Arctic ice, which is perilously floating atop water.
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/anunnaki/anu_32.htm)

Revy
25th October 2010, 03:36
I skimmed until I inevitably saw "hotter sun".

Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. The Sun is NOT getting hotter. This is merely a desperate argument used by those who want to ignore what's really going on and why it is going on.

Salyut
25th October 2010, 06:52
I skimmed until I inevitably saw "hotter sun".

Shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. The Sun is NOT getting hotter. This is merely a desperate argument used by those who want to ignore what's really going on and why it is going on.

Lizards did it.

GX.
3rd November 2010, 03:47
There was a time when the clergy and scientists harmoniously declared that the Earth was FLAT.
No, the idea of a round earth dates back to the beginning of the development of geodesy as a scientific practice, and no scientist who ever had anything relevant to add to this subject believed in a flat earth. Now, there is a misconception which holds that the flat earth model was the prevailing view during the Middle Ages, among both scholars and the clergy, but this is completely false. In fact, most scholars favored the idea of a round earth. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

Opening your piece with a completely false statement is not a good start. And further, seemingly comparing climate scientists, who have accumulated a vast body of evidence dating back to the 19th century (see The Discovery of Global Warming), to flat earthers, who have absolutely no scientific evidence backing their position and never have, is absurd.

Salyut
3rd November 2010, 05:36
No, the idea of a round earth dates back to the beginning of the development of geodesy as a scientific practice, and no scientist who ever had anything relevant to add to this subject believed in a flat earth. Now, there is a misconception which holds that the flat earth model was the prevailing view during the Middle Ages, among both scholars and the clergy, but this is completely false. In fact, most scholars favored the idea of a round earth. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth

Opening your piece with a completely false statement is not a good start. And further, seemingly comparing climate scientists, who have accumulated a vast body of evidence dating back to the 19th century (see The Discovery of Global Warming), to flat earthers, who have absolutely no scientific evidence backing their position and never have, is absurd.

You kinda missed the "zionist space jewlizards did 9/11" revelation.

Klaatu
3rd November 2010, 05:51
Arrhenius predicted global warming from CO2, over a century ago
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Arrhenius/arrhenius_2.php

Arrhenius' 1896 paper (PDF)
"On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground"
Svante Arrhenius
Philosophical Magazine and Journal of Science
Series 5, Volume 41, April 1896, pages 237-276.
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/images/1/18/Arrhenius.pdf

GX.
4th November 2010, 23:51
You kinda missed the "zionist space jewlizards did 9/11" revelation.
and here i thought it was aliens from the planet xenu