Union Bosses Vrs Corporate Bosses

[RGacky3]

I think this guy makes a great comparison, THIS is the difference. (Its democracy and accountability vrs a dictatorship and self-interest).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6F0pRCZf8o

Go to 10:30, he really points out the fundemental difference, which is really the difference between the left and right, the left believes in Democracy, the right believes in plutocracy.

[BuddhaInBabylon]

this kinda throws me for a loop....
i thought the difference between a union boss and a corporate 'boss' would be pretty self evident.

[Bud Struggle]

this kinda throws me for a loop....
i thought the difference between a union boss and a corporate 'boss' would be pretty self evident.

Nope. They are pretty much the same.

[BuddhaInBabylon]

perhaps i have not the insight to clearly see through class analysis the lack of difference between the two, but i have worked non union for a major retail corporation, and i am now a union tradesmen, and i can tell you there IS a difference.

[RGacky3]

Buds just repeating the party line, he does'nt know what he's talking about.

[Bud Struggle]

Buds just repeating the party line, he does'nt know what he's talking about.

And you aren't? :D

Do you even belong to a real union (Not the IWW--even I joined that.;) )

[Edit] I'm not asking you which one if you do belong to one--that's your business.

[RGacky3]

No, I arn't. I'm actually applying reason and facts.

[Revolution starts with U]

If there was a self-employment union, I would join it tomorow. But in the meantime I bought my cobalt because I live not 15mins from the factory and my grandfather, father, and uncle were all union members. :cool:

[Fabrizio]

Better not go on strike in Argentina, your union might kill you:

EDIT: Can't post the link, never mind.



Demonstrators from leftist organizations, political parties and unions marched to protest the killing of Mariano Ferreyra, a 23-year-old Workers’ Party (Partido Obrero) activist who was shot to death during a confrontation between leftist activists and members of the Railworkers’ Union Wednesday.

Elsa Rodríguez, the 56-year-old woman who was shot in the head during the violent confrontations remained in critical condition at the city’s Argerich Hospital.
Several of the city’s main thoroughfares were paralyzed yesterday afternoon as tens of thousands of protesters marched from the corner of Callao and Corrientes to Plaza de Mayo, where activists demanded justice and linked the violence to the “union bureaucracy.”

“Twenty hours have passed and no one has been imprisoned for a murder that was filmed by all of Argentine television,” Jorge Altamira, the head of the PO, said.

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So yeah, in some cases, union leaders can essentially be like fascist thugs. :( They basically have paid thugs to attack their opponents within the union every day for their strike, and ended up ambushing them and shooting them in cold blood after a protest.

[RGacky3]

Those stories are so vague and need a lot more information to know anything about the situation,

but yeah, a vast minority of unions are undemocratic, so what? Even a broken clock is right twice a day, corporations on the other hand are ALWAYS undemocratic.

[Revolution starts with U]

Question all authority! Especially union bosses because they have so much of your life at stake.

[RGacky3]

Especially union bosses because they have so much of your life at stake.

Sure, and vote them out if you need too, same with your Boss .... oh wait.

[#FF0000]

I think unions are great and people should definitely have them to defend their hard-won worker's rights.

However there are plenty of unions that just don't do that and are just lackeys for the bosses anyway.

See: New York transit strike, where the union ordered the workers to stop striking and get back to work.

But yeah like I said, unions are good so long as there union bureaucracy isn't insane and there aren't too many union bosses getting friendly with the regular bosses.

[Fabrizio]

Those stories are so vague and need a lot more information to know anything about the situation,

It's vague because the story is so big in Argentina that it's very hard to find a "from scratch" explanation, especially in English. And also I can't post links.

Basically the main body of unions in Argentina are close allies of the government, and they favour certain strikes against certain bosses, but then when their members try a protest outside of these "good strikes", they terrorize them. This murder was a tip of the iceberg, this kind of violence happens every day.

Obviously I know that in Europe and North America, the unions are nowhere near that bad though.

[ComradeMan]

I think unions are great and people should definitely have them to defend their hard-won worker's rights.

However there are plenty of unions that just don't do that and are just lackeys for the bosses anyway.

See: New York transit strike, where the union ordered the workers to stop striking and get back to work.

But yeah like I said, unions are good so long as there union bureaucracy isn't insane and there aren't too many union bosses getting friendly with the regular bosses.

... which unfortunately seems to be the case a lot of the time. However, without Unions it would be worse.

What irritates me a bit about Unions, other than say in this French case, there seems to be a lack of solidarity between them. The XYZ union doesn't strike because it doesn't agree with the line of the ABC union or it is interested because it's not that sector etc.....:rolleyes: