RAAN goes all Eckhart Tolle or some shit.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

http://www.anarchistnews.org/?q=node/12437

Seriously, WTF?
I mean, I have some degree of tolerance for this sort of thing, at least insofar as I'm not infatuated with Science or the ideology thereof. But once you get into talking about, "our true original selves" it's all fucking over as far as I'm concerned. That there's some knowledge that's necessarily out of reach, no matter how many grammes of mushrooms you've shoveled back, IMHO.

Anyway, I thought this warranted a thread, what with RAAN being something of a hot topic lately.
As entertaining as the "RAAN like a motherfucker!" meme is, I think this is RAAN's run back for the periphery of the periphery.

[Hit The North]

I'm surprised to find this in Philosophy...

But, yes, WTF?

So the 'leader' of the 'leaderless' has finally delivered his sermon from the mount. From cult unto cult.

I'll give it five years before Nachie is plying his trade in the nether regions of the U.S. evangelist circuit. Either that, or sitting in a bunker with his "family" and his shotgun, waiting for the Feds to come.

[Dimentio]

Heavy!

Groooovy!

Woooodstock!

[StoneFrog]

The quote in my sig explains my view on this.

[Widerstand]

I can't even think of a witty reply to the sheer bafflement bestowed upon me.

[Jazzhands]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:



RAANistas are like this whole other breed... magnetized into action based on a sensory rather than intellectual comprehension of the need to destroy class society so as to better bathe in the sunlight that it blocks out.


You're right. It's not intellectual comprehension. Because you're a dumb fuck. Must be that you're not getting enough photosynthesis.:laugh:

[Dimentio]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:



You're right. It's not intellectual comprehension. Because you're a dumb fuck. Must be that you're not getting enough photosynthesis.:laugh:

I reckon someone hasn't been properly banned yet. ^^

[Jazzhands]

I reckon someone hasn't been properly banned yet. ^^

Sorry, couldn't resist. yeah, that was a bit too far. notice all the laughy smilies. RAANistas are hilarious.

[Dimentio]

RAANistas are just making themselves into a stereotype of what left-wing anarchists are caricatured as in mainstream culture. They are cartoon figures.

[Raúl Duke]

Ehh whatever those are Nachie's opinions. I doubt the whole of RAAN accepts them as some "line." At best, the only thing you could accuse of RAAN is perhaps factionalism if some sort of Nachiest faction arose or some stuff.

I don't really consider myself spiritual seriously, the only time I might entertain such thoughts is if I were high and watching an Animal Collective music video (like Bluish, I seriously thought for a moment that the universe was like...a living being.)

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What a bunch of wishy-washy, pseudoscientific, irrationalist, wishful thinking-based mumbo-jumbo.

Please tell me this sort of shit is not representative of the American anarchist movement.

[Raúl Duke]

What a bunch of wishy-washy, pseudoscientific, irrationalist, wishful thinking-based mumbo-jumbo.

Please tell me this sort of shit is not representative of the American anarchist movement.

I doubt it but IDK; I'm literally one of only a handful of anarchist in Florida and I've barely met any other anarchist.

[black magick hustla]

what a bunch of partypoopers i think its a fun essay to read. i obviously disagree completely but it is well written and nachie made it explicit that he is not really making an argument at all

[syndicat]

Please tell me this sort of shit is not representative of the American anarchist movement.

It's not. However, there's a lot of odd stuff that sometimes goes under the anarchist label in the U.S. I don't personally have any problem with someone being spiritual. I have a problem with someone trying to sound profound by writing a lot of vague stuff whose import is hard to fathom.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

what a bunch of partypoopers i think its a fun essay to read. i obviously disagree completely but it is well written and nachie made it explicit that he is not really making an argument at all

If he's not making an argument, then what the hell is he doing? Does he just like the sound of his own voice?

[apawllo]

I heard dude was pretty important. Now I know for sure. Just look at him up in his ivory tower.

[KC]

I didn't read it because it looks longwinded and stupid, but I enjoy Tolle so I don't really know what this has to do with him.

[Os Cangaceiros]

but I enjoy Tolle

Hippy.

[Chimurenga.]

I never say this but... tl;dr

[Forward Union]

At a time when the working class is already in organisational ruin, and with massive welfare cuts and, in the US a large right wing grassroots emerging, im glad that questions of organisation and strategy can be put aside to discuss spirituality.

Then again, if communism is just being nice to people and cooking good food then we really do have a lots of dedicated communists out there. I'm really glad we dropped the whole "workers controlling the means of production" stuff, that would have been way too hard.

I think this article should remove all political references and try to present itself as an amateur philosophical piece instead.

[Amphictyonis]

I didn't read much beyond this -

" More importantly, when it comes to self-identified radicals, my fellow RAANistas are the only people I really care about"

I'll have a moment of total honesty here; I'm working class, have been all my life as were generations of my family before me and quite simply all I can say is we shouldn't see the struggle as some compartmentalized fragmented splinter vanguard against vanguard in any way shape or form. There is no "true movement" in my eyes. Only the classes. The way I see it capitalism will and is beginning to deteriorate- it's our jobs, weather Marxist or anarchist, to spread class awareness- ie, explain actual socialist ideals to our fellow working class so when the time comes we can, together, usher in a new system. Most everything else falls under the group psychology umbrella. Sure there can be ideological differences but all in all we need to focus on one simple thing- democratic worker control of the means of production. Most everything else is bullshit.

It will never happen so long as capitalism is in flux and the working class is divided.

[Dimentio]

At a time when the working class is already in organisational ruin, and with massive welfare cuts and, in the US a large right wing grassroots emerging, im glad that questions of organisation and strategy can be put aside to discuss spirituality.

Then again, if communism is just being nice to people and cooking good food then we really do have a lots of dedicated communists out there. I'm really glad we dropped the whole "workers controlling the means of production" stuff, that would have been way too hard.

I think this article should remove all political references and try to present itself as an amateur philosophical piece instead.

To defend it, Hakim Bey has engaged in similar shit throughout the years.

As earlier said, RAAN seems largely to be more of a subculture than a political movement.

As for the guy writing the post before me, class identification seldom is such an easy task. On one side of my family, I'm descended from French nobility for example. XD

[bcbm]

To defend it, Hakim Bey

amazing how quickly you negated this sentence.


As earlier said, RAAN seems largely to be more of a subculture than a political movement.

um, like every raan (ex)poster on here has explicitly said as much.

and this should be in chit chat.

[The Douche]

I like how this is even claimed to be just the summation of an individuals thoughts and how it may or may not (in the readers opinion) relate to the communist project.

I happen to like it. But a text like this doesn't even need to be defended. Its not aimed at making people agree its aimed at provoking discussion about the gaia hypothesis, but whodve thunk that a bunch of technocrats and leftist technophiles don't give a fuck about the idea of mother earth...

[Imposter Marxist]

Lol, RAAN. :laugh:

A street gang shamanistic anarchist lifestylist group.

Seriously, shamanism?! Wtf.

[The Douche]

I think there are probably more people in the world interested in shamanism than sweet red alert style stalinism bro.

Also there are very few people who identify as anarchists in RAAN anymore. And I challenge you to define what a supposed "lifestylist" is.

[Jazzratt]

I think there are probably more people in the world interested in shamanism than sweet red alert style stalinism bro. That depends on what you mean by "red alert style stalinism" - a large number of the communist parties around the world are (unfortunately) Marxist Lennist. The numbers are probably close to even but the ones with an interest in shamanism are more likely to be carrying a metric shitload of very interesting drugs.


Also there are very few people who identify as anarchists in RAAN anymore. Isn't it some kind of melange of dodgy post-leftist positions and "anarchist-in-all-but-name" libertarian marxists? That's the impression I got but it might just be that those were the positions held by the more obnoxious (and therefore memorable) RAANites.

[The Douche]

I dunno what people would claim to call themselves, nihilist communism is getting popular here in the states right now though, its like the new tiqqun.

I don't feel comfortable calling myself an anarchist anymore, really, but I wouldn't be mad if people called me that.

[Hit The North]

Wtf is nihilistic communism?

[another breath]

Nihilist Communism is a book that is a series of essays by two communists/anarchists under the pen name Monsieur Dupont.

It essentially attacks the idea that activism and political people are the forces behind revolution, and instead posits the idea that the antagonisms inherent to capitalism will force the proletariat to dismantle the economy out of necessity.

[bcbm]

Wtf is nihilistic communism?

click my "tendency" bro, has the complete texts and related rubbish

[Forward Union]

Nihilist Communism is a book that is a series of essays by two communists/anarchists under the pen name Monsieur Dupont.

It essentially attacks the idea that activism and political people are the forces behind revolution, and instead posits the idea that the antagonisms inherent to capitalism will force the proletariat to dismantle the economy out of necessity.

Oh my dear fucking god, we really need to get on with effective pragmatic organising and activity so we can shift the debate to one of praxis and make people spend more time discussing strategy than examining their own anal cavities.

[Amphictyonis]

Will the socialist revolution be based in declining material conditions under capitalism or in pure vanguard ideology? I'd dare to say it will be a ratio of 70:30 in favor of declining material conditions. We don't have much control over that.

[Amphictyonis]

Wtf is nihilistic communism?

A revolution to achieve nothing ;) (jk)

[bcbm]

Oh my dear fucking god, we really need to get on with effective pragmatic organising and activity so we can shift the debate to one of praxis and make people spend more time discussing strategy than examining their own anal cavities.

nihcom is about discussing strategy

[bcbm]

A revolution to achieve nothing ;) (jk)

haven't most of them already done that?

[The Douche]

haven't most of them already done that?

Boom, roasted.

[Widerstand]

haven't most of them already done that?

bcbm: 1 stalinites: 0

[Hit The North]

nihcom is about discussing strategy

It seems very interesting and all that (if a little fatalistic), but it should be renamed as I don't see in what way it is nihilistic.

[Amphictyonis]

bcbm: 1 stalinites: 0

Hey now. Cool your jets buddy. Stalin was is and will always remain in my eyes a hierarchical control freak on an ego trip.