The contemporary German (and Dutch?) Autonomenbewegung

[Widerstand]

What do they do other than squatting?

What are their theoretical origins (Autonomous Marxism?)?

Are they revolutionary or just escapist?

[Sasha]

germans are mostly autonumus marxist, dutch and danes mostly autonumus/insurectionary anarchist.
germans are traditionally heavy into anti-facism, anti-militarism and stopping nucluarpower.
dutch and danes are mostly into squatting, animalrights etc

yet again i advise to read this book; http://www.eroseffect.com/books/subversion.html

also about the greek and italian autonomus movements

free download at the bottom of the page, but also well worth the buy (just ignore the last chapters)

[Widerstand]

germans are mostly autonumus marxist, dutch and danes mostly autonumus/insurectionary anarchist.
germans are traditionally heavy into anti-facism, anti-militarism and stopping nucluarpower.
dutch and danes are mostly into squatting, animalrights etc

yet again i advise to read this book; http://www.eroseffect.com/books/subversion.html

also about the greek and italian autonomus movements

Will check out. Not sure if I'll buy it though, I don't feel like ordering it :/ On a related note, do you happen to know Feuer Und Flamme (http://www.amazon.de/Feuer-Flamme-Zur-Geschichte-Autonomen/dp/3894080043/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287522514&sr=1-5)?



free download at the bottom of the page, but also well worth the buy (just ignore the last chapters)

What's wrong with them?

[Sasha]

On a related note, do you happen to know Feuer Und Flamme (http://www.amazon.de/Feuer-Flamme-Zur-Geschichte-Autonomen/dp/3894080043/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1287522514&sr=1-5)?

nope, any good? know if there is an english or dutch translation around? my german is quite shitty...




What's wrong with them?

the writer first concludes that the main strenght of the autonomus movements is that there is no dogmatic ideaoligy, and then proceeds to try and superimpose one on them and gets lost in socio-pollitical abstract vagueness.

[Widerstand]

nope, any good? know if there is an english or dutch translation around? my german is quite shitty...

I have no idea honestly. I just saw it in a bookstore today and took a quick look at it. From what I gathered it's a witness' (participant's?) account of several actions and struggles by the German autonomists between '68 and the early '90s. It covers quite a lot of different issues.



the writer first concludes that the main strenght of the autonomus movements is that there is no dogmatic ideaoligy, and then proceeds to try and superimpose one on them and gets lost in socio-pollitical abstract vagueness.

Sounds like fancy bshit. Well, from what I read on the German Wikipedia's entry on "Autonome", I guess most politically active people I know (including me) are "Autonome" (which makes me question that article's merit). Also apparently, according to the article, the German "Autonome" is split in Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anti-Germans and Anti-Imps. Hm....

[Sasha]

i dont know if its still around (an google search only gives the dutch translation by schism and published by AFA (http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Eafa/fels/index.html)) but FELS (http://fels.nadir.org/de) (now in the interventionistische linken i believe) wrote in the 90's an intresting brochure "critique on the autonomen"

[Sasha]

Also apparently, according to the article, the German "Autonome" is split in Anarcho-Syndicalists, Anti-Germans and Anti-Imps. Hm....

kinda, as far as i know germanys 60's radical left first splintert in those who joined/formed the grunen and what became the anti-parlemantairy left.
then during the RAF/RZ times the autonomen formed who didnt believe in the completly underground strugle and sided more with the RZ.
but all where anti-imps, anti-D's then evolved out of an valid critique on the anti-semitism of certain anti-imp groups.
as far as i know anarcho-syndicalist never where a part of the autonomus movement but the crowd who where on the RZ side was defently more insurectionary anarchist orientated than the marxist RAF side.
now you see an resurgance of autonmus anarcho groups, especialy in the ruhr who are fed up with the whole sectarian wars surounding the anti-germans.
the active groups now around Aken for example feel often more at home with the dutch movement than the german one.

[Sasha]

Well, from what I read on the German Wikipedia's entry on "Autonome", [.....] (which makes me question that article's merit).

the english wikipedia entry is actualy quite factual and an good start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomism

[thälmann]

i think what psycho said about the difference in germany and dutch is right, is that german autonomous szene in more marxist and communist orientated. but i gues this is just so in the last 20 years. before that, you had a lot of little ml groups, and the mostly also communist antiimps, which today doesnt really exist.
in the nineties, the scene was dominated by the antifascist action/ countrywide organisation ( aa/bo) which was orientated on the 20s kpd, and started a discussion about real organisation. i guess that during the nineties the autonomous scene gets more communist, which it is today. but there are a lot of marxist orientated groups, coming out of the scene, but dont see themselves as autonomous anymore.

[Widerstand]

I picked up "Perspektiven Autonomer Politik" by AK wantok (http://www.unrast-verlag.de/unrast,2,336,6.html) ("Perspectives of Autonomous Politics") today. In fact I've been trying to get it for some time. Pretty glad I found it, it seems good so far.

[hatzel]

Feuer und Flamme, der Fleishindustrie!

...yeah, I'm getting pretty bored of hearing that shouted out, actually, I just for some reason felt like saying it after reading the threads.

In all seriousness, though, my discussions with German...ah...Autonome people, whatever the word is, and a quick visit to the AZ in Köln and Erfurt, it seems to me as though the overview given of the contemporary German Autonomenbewegung is pretty accurate. Yup! So I'm backing you guys up here.