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redstar2000
7th August 2003, 00:09
It's the question I hear more than all others combined; someone has developed some familiarity with the tools of Marxism, wants to do "something useful" to advance the revolution, and has no idea what that "something" might be.

And, of course, since I don't know you, I have no idea what you "should" do, either. But here are some things to think about.

First, a message that some will find reassuring and others depressing: as a Marxist, you know that any single individual will not make that much difference in "how things turn out" one way or another. In a population of more than six or seven billion, there will be plenty of volunteers for every social role.

Consequently, you can freely please yourself without worry that you have somehow neglected some "essential task" that will derail the revolutionary process. If it truly is essential, there will be others who will do it and who will be pleased to have the chance to do it.

Secondly, you must be honest with yourself about your personal material conditions. For example, if you are a 120 lb. computer nerd who is bored to madness by repetitive labor, you are not going to be an effective organizer in an industrial setting. On the other hand, if academia seems to you to be an utterly sterile word-factory, student and teacher organizing is not for you.

In fact, you may not be any kind of "organizer" at all...you may be one who brings needed technical skills, artistic skills, literary skills to the movement. In a real communist movement, there is no "special hierarchy" that says this person is a "better" revolutionary than that person because this person does X while that person can "only" do Y. (And if you happen to observe this kind of status game being played, seriously reconsider your membership in that group...it is probably only verbally communist.)

Given your own talents, abilities, skills, preferences, characteristics...you must look for--or even make--your own "niche" in the broad revolutionary movement of the working class. It must feel "right" to you in order for you to keep at it for decades, or even a lifetime. Because that is what is really crucial to being a revolutionary. Many have set forth--"with a flourish of trumpets"--to perform some dramatic revolutionary task...and in a year or two, quietly returned to the capitalist camp with their tail between their legs. It is possible that they did do something that was briefly useful...but that is nothing compared to a lifetime's patient effort to undermine the capitalist system.

And that, thirdly, is another crucial aspect of real communist activity: whatever you do must serve to undermine the functioning or the credibility or the legitimacy (or all three!) of the capitalist system. There are many efforts to "do good" in this world...but the only ones you should be interested in are the ones that do "good" by attacking the power of "evil". Simply "doing good" is quite acceptable to the ruling class; they've even been known to pretend to be doing it themselves while the cameras were on. From a communist standpoint, real "good" is a relentless and sustained attack on the capitalist system itself...in whatever form is consistent with your individual abilities and opportunities.

Fourthly, watch out for appeals to "self-sacrifice" or "willingness to endure hardship". These are rhetorical symptoms of what one communist called "the Aztec theory of revolutionary activity"--you know, you drape yourself over the altar and cut out your own heart as an offering to "history". You may, under certain circumstances, do something that is considered "heroic"...but never allow yourself to be rhetorically intimidated into such behavior. Even if you escape unharmed, you will (rightfully) feel "used"...and, thereafter, will either quit revolutionary politics altogether or become a cynical user of others yourself.

And be equally wary of those who portray revolutionary committment as some sort of monkish neo-puritanical "life" of utter deprivation or "iron" self-discipline. The "fleshly" pleasures of life, in moderation of course, are a natural part of human existence...even for communists. Just ask Engels, he'll tell you.

Fifthly, it is enormously helpful but not necessary to be a part of a communist group, formal or informal. A "good" group can bring out the best in you, can develop your capacities and capabilities far beyond what you thought possible. But sometimes people join "bad" groups because they feel like "a communist must be in a group, by definition." A "bad" group, of course, is a group that might be "communist" in words but is usually something much less in practice...a private club, a church, etc. Being in one, at its worst, is roughly like having a really shitty, low-paying job...and drives people out of revolutionary politics faster than any repressive measures by any government.

And lastly, is it possible to have "a regular life" and be a revolutionary? I suppose it might be, but it puts a severe strain on your politics if you try to do that. Part of you is trying to "shove" the present into the future while part of you is trying to integrate yourself into the present. Someone with a spouse, children, mortgage, etc. is under tremendous pressure to conform and submit to the prevailing social order; it is far more difficult to maintain an attitude of unrelenting hostility and persistent opposition under such circumstances. Marx himself, late in life, remarked that a revolutionary should never marry. He had a point.

But don't forget: have fun! What we communists are trying to do is immensely serious and important and all that...but, if properly done, should be enormously enjoyable as well. To know that you are playing a constructive role, even a very small one, in the greatest era of human civilization--the end of class society--should please you no end.

It does me.

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stonerboi
7th August 2003, 01:49
It seems to me like your stoned and wrote this when high.

redstar2000
7th August 2003, 02:23
Why do you say that???

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Dr. Rosenpenis
7th August 2003, 02:41
:lol:
Redstar? Getting hammered? I doubt it, dude, he's in his sixties.

Good post, btw, Redstar.

elijahcraig
7th August 2003, 02:53
It seems to me like your stoned and wrote this when high.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nobody
7th August 2003, 16:09
Redstar is in his sixities?! Isn't that a bit old to be a communist? Do you remember the "good ol' days" when America fought the "evil" commies? Can I have a carmal candy?

stonerboi
7th August 2003, 16:25
Hey levtrot, u can be a commie at any age!

Sabocat
7th August 2003, 16:42
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2003, 09:41 PM
:lol:
Redstar? Getting hammered? I doubt it, dude, he's in his sixties.

Good post, btw, Redstar.
Yeah...people stop having fun and getting hammered at a certain age. There's a special police force that makes sure that non of us over 40 have fun. Ever. LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great post RS. I sometimes get in a funk thinking that we are all wasting our times discussing theory, arguing ideologies and the lot. Speaking personally, this was a nice cheer leading session for me.

There are a number of posts here that are " a call to arms" so to speak, so I think the frustration is felt by everyone from time to time. I guess we're all products of the TV generation. We want instant gratification. It's hard sometimes to step back and look at the big picture.



Marx himself, late in life, remarked that a revolutionary should never marry. He had a point.

Unless of course you're lucky enough to marry someone with the same political and ideological leanings... ;)

Thanks again.

Dr. Rosenpenis
8th August 2003, 03:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 10:42 AM
Yeah...people stop having fun and getting hammered at a certain age. There's a special police force that makes sure that non of us over 40 have fun. Ever. LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:
no offense redstar, and i recently found out that redstar resents comments on his age, so I'm sorry, but the elderly have a harder time tolerating the violent effects of drugs on the nervous system and the heart. having fun, though, does not mean you can't use drugs. ;)

Vinny Rafarino
8th August 2003, 03:04
It was a good post. Practising revolutionary communism within your own means is a viable argument. It really can't be refuted.


And yes, I agree that RS was definitely high when he wrote this. That's not necessarily a bad thing though. THC has a tendency to allow the use of abstract thought in conjuction with logical thought to produce some marvelous philosophical theories. It can also have you babbling about how Boba-fet (sp?) could have easily fought his way out of the stomach of the sand worm, if you allow it to.

Again, credit where credit is due, nice post RS.

Rastafari
8th August 2003, 03:21
I agree. But with your experience and knowledge of the Weathermen, what examples do you think they set forth, RedStar? Clearly they tried to advance the revolution to outrageous, but often necessary, extents, and tried to "Bring the War home"

Nobody
8th August 2003, 04:01
About the crrack about your age, sorry Redstar, guess I was the stoned one.

Vinny Rafarino
8th August 2003, 05:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2003, 03:21 AM
I agree. But with your experience and knowledge of the Weathermen, what examples do you think they set forth, RedStar? Clearly they tried to advance the revolution to outrageous, but often necessary, extents, and tried to "Bring the War home"
The Weathermen made two distinct mistakes;

The first being they required their members to not live freely "above ground" in addition to working "underground". This philosophy of separating yourselves from the very thing you wish to protect is devastating, as history has shown in their case.

The second being they decided to completely cut themselves from of the proletariat thinking that massive support will never be achieved or is even required at any point in the struggle. Another blunder, losing sight of the people's struggle will only lead to your group being alienated from all forms of society. We all know that in order for urban armed struggle to work, one must eventually build massive support. Without this key elemant, your ideals are operations are meaningless.

I know I'm not Redstar comrade Rasta but I happen to know a bit on this.

redstar2000
8th August 2003, 12:45
I think the central problem with the Weather Underground is that they saw their activities in opposition to U.S. imperialism--"Bringing the war home" as a "moral act" instead of any kind of revolutionary strategy.

They were rather like the kids who fought against the Czarist regime in Russia during the last quarter of the 19th century...they did not expect to "win"; they were more about "cleansing their own souls". By an act of violence against the old regime, they "proved" their moral superiority to evil incarnate.

In this task, any kind of genuine connection to the masses is essentially irrelevant. All that's required is a small group of trusted associates and the technical skills to fire a pistol or, at most, make a small bomb. In a pinch, you can dispense with the associates; the so-called "unibomber" was a one-man Weather Underground.

Moral outrage, while it's something we all feel, is almost totally useless as a "guide to action". There has to be some kind of connection to the real world...however tenuous that might be. A proposed activity, to be communist, must in some fashion send a communist message.

The Weather Underground never did that...with the possible exception of blowing up that statue honoring Chicago cops. (They did it twice!) The only message they ever sent was one of radical opposition to the war in Vietnam itself...a war that had already become deeply unpopular even among conservatives. When the U.S. lost the war, the Weather Underground was lost too. There was nothing more they could do except wait to be arrested. :(

I don't know enough about the German RAF or the Italian Red Brigades to say how much "better" they were than the Weather Underground...they certainly inflicted a lot more damage and made much bigger headlines.

But I know that Marx and Engels had a low opinion of "small group conspiracies" and I share that view. However "heroic" and "inspirational" they might appear, they have not, up to now at least, proven to be useful to the revolution itself...in the advanced capitalist countries, of course.

Ultimately, it really is the masses who make history, and who will make a proletarian revolution if there is to be one.

We should try to help them do that.

:redstar2000:

PS: Be it known that whenever I'm posting to Che-Lives, the only drugs present are nicotine, caffeine, and a splash of alcohol.

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Rastafari
8th August 2003, 22:28
Thanks to the both of you, veterans. But anyway, any kind of terror in today's USA wouldn't get out of the news. I watch CNN and Fox and those assholes are so hard-pressed for news that they show the plights of the american cucumber and other useless shit like that. When any speck of any kind of news comes around (e.g. Kobe), they linger on it for many hours. If this "news" involved the proletariat and any kind of threat to the American way of life, you can damn well bet that it'd receive more coverage then anything, sending out a clear message to the workers and fighters that the time of action had come.


But thats just me talking, and I don't know shit

Nobody
9th August 2003, 03:21
If this "news" involved the proletariat and any kind of threat to the American way of life, you can damn well bet that it'd receive more coverage then anything,sending out a clear message to the workers and fighters that the time of action had come.

You think the American media would put of a news broadcast about leftist activty and it would have even the slightest positive slant or even show support for it? The way Fox and CNN protray even legimante attacks, like those against American troops, the fighters are protrayed as "thugs", a "minority" and "terrorists". The only way for the left to communicate its beef to the workingclass is by telling them ourselves. We can not count on our enemies to spread our word for us. While seeing the news might encourage a few die hards to do the same, it will only drive the brainwashed masses further from us. We need to talk to them ourselves comrades, a problem we all have with all our high mindness. We must return to earth if we are to spread the word.

elijahcraig
9th August 2003, 03:27
Speaking of the weathermen, look at this "SELL-OUT":

I Was A Terrorist (http://www.penpowerpublishing.homestead.com/weatherman.html)

Rastafari
9th August 2003, 04:44
"Sell Out's", surely your thinking about Metallica?

Anyone who was in such a venerable and acting organization could never be a "Sell-Out", friend. Even if he did turn back and see how foolish he was at one time, he didn't fucking turn people in. Maybe its just me, but us calling him a "sell-out" is a little over the top.

elijahcraig
9th August 2003, 04:57
I'd say his habit of now supporting imperialist wars is selling-out.

Sensitive
9th August 2003, 08:44
Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 7 2003, 09:04 PM
It can also have you babbling about how Boba-fet (sp?) could have easily fought his way out of the stomach of the sand worm, if you allow it to.
Actually, in one of the Star Wars novels Boba Fett does escape from the Sarlacc... hehe.

Vinny Rafarino
9th August 2003, 09:27
Originally posted by Sensitive+Aug 9 2003, 08:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Sensitive @ Aug 9 2003, 08:44 AM)
COMRADE [email protected] 7 2003, 09:04 PM
It can also have you babbling about how Boba-fet (sp?) could have easily fought his way out of the stomach of the sand worm, if you allow it to.
Actually, in one of the Star Wars novels Boba Fett does escape from the Sarlacc... hehe. [/b]
Stoner.

peaccenicked
9th August 2003, 11:11
Talking union blues by Pete Seeger


Now, if you want higher wages let me tell you what to do
You got to talk to the workers in the shop with you.
You got to build you a union, got to make it strong,
But if you all stick together, boys, it won&#39;t be long.
You get shorter hours, better working conditions,
Vacations with pay. Take your kids to the seashore.
It ain&#39;t quite this simple, so I better explain
Just why you got to ride on the union train.
&#39;Cause if you wait for the boss to raise your pay,
We&#39;ll all be a-waitin&#39; &#39;til Judgment Day.
We&#39;ll all be buried, gone to heaven,
St. Peter&#39;ll be the straw boss then.

Now you know you&#39;re underpaid but the boss says you ain&#39;t;
He speeds up the work &#39;til you&#39;re &#39;bout to faint.
You may be down and out, but you ain&#39;t beaten,
You can pass out a leaflet and call a meetin&#39;.
Talk it over, speak your mind,
Decide to do somethin&#39; about it.

Course, the boss may persuade some poor damn fool
To go to your meetin&#39; and act like a stool.
But you can always tell a stool, though, that&#39;s a fact,
He&#39;s got a yaller streak a-runnin&#39; down his back.
He doesn&#39;t have to stool, he&#39;ll always get along
On what he takes out of blind men&#39;s cups.

You got a union now, and you&#39;re sittin&#39; pretty,
Put some of the boys on the steering committee.
The boss won&#39;t listen when one guy squawks,
But he&#39;s got to listen when the union talks.
He&#39;d better, be mighty lonely
Everybody decide to walk out on him.

Suppose they&#39;re working you so hard it&#39;s just outrageous
And they&#39;re paying you all starvation wages.
You go to the boss and the boss would yell,
"Before I raise your pay I&#39;d see you all in hell."
Well, he&#39;s puffing a big seegar, feeling mighty slick
&#39;Cause he thinks he&#39;s got your union licked.
Well, he looks out the window and what does he see
But a thousand pickets, and they all agree:
He&#39;s a bastard, unfair, slavedriver,
Bet he beats his wife&#33;

Now, boys, you&#39;ve come to the hardest time.
The boss will try to bust your picket line.
He&#39;ll call out the police, the National Guard,
They&#39;ll tell you it&#39;s a crime to have a union card.
They&#39;ll raid your meetin&#39;, they&#39;ll hit you on the head,
They&#39;ll call every one of you a goddam red,
Unpatriotic, Japanese spies, sabotaging national defense&#33;

But out at Ford, here&#39;s what they found,
And out at Vultee, here&#39;s what they found,
And out at Allis-Chalmers, here&#39;s what they found,
And down at Bethlehem, here&#39;s what they found:
That if you don&#39;t let red-baiting break you up,
And if you don&#39;t let stoolpigeons break you up,
And if you don&#39;t let vigilantes break you up,
And if you don&#39;t let race hatred break you up,
You&#39;ll win. What I mean, take it easy, but take it&#33;