Marx would not have approved of our collective Dogma

[Homage To Catalonia]

Marxists of all stripes seem to have become very dogmatic, and seem to think, looking to the past, will help us achieve victory in the future, and seem to believe that history makes people, rather than the people making history.

Leninists for example, seem to believe what led to revolution in 1917 Russia, and 1959 Cuba, can bring about revolution, in this millenium.

Conditions change, and therfore, we must change, correct, and draw new conclusions within our ideologies and not revere leaders, or be absoloutley anti leadership, we must use whatever will work, rather than stubornly adhere to dogma and official party lines.

For example, with the spread of capitalism, no nation has been left to run and regulate its own economic system.

Capitalism has seeped into every town, in every city, in every nation, so national liberation can not remove itself from capital, so therfore, national liberation can only lead to state capitalism at best, or a new national bourgoisie acting as puppets for western imperialist capitalist interests at worst.

Our national organising model is outdated, and if marx was around today, he would see cross border organising, In Palestine, England, North America, to be organised by regional communities, not fighting for national or ethnic causes, but for one cause, nationless, global proletarian liberation.

In my view, globalisation, has brought conditions where we should organise, and build up peoples struggles, where we do not acknowledge Nations, or the difference of an American worker and a Afghan worker.

We should abolish Nations and racial identifiers from our language, to unify us, and remove all the physical, Mental, and even literary walls that divide and seperate us.

[Thirsty Crow]

Marxists of all stripes seem to have become very dogmatic, and seem to think, looking to the past, will help us achieve victory in the future, and seem to believe that history makes people, rather than the people making history.

I'll keep it simple: where's the evidence?
Not that I automatically disagree with you, but your conclusion is dependant on this unproven assumption.

[Muzk]

(About the first part, dogmatism etc)
Marxism is a dogma. It's kind of obvious that coming revolutions won't have the same shape as a russian one or a cub.... the cuban one wasn't a proletarian revolution. Durr.

HURR Communists don't make revolutions, the working class does!



In my view, globalisation, has brought conditions where we should organise, and build up peoples struggles, where we do not acknowledge Nations, or the difference of an American worker and a Afghan worker.

We should abolish Nations and racial identifiers from our language, to unify us, and remove all the physical, Mental, and even literary walls that divide and seperate us.

Who of us, other than crazy third worldists, aren't of your opinion?


I'll keep it simple: where's the evidence?


That's actually where he is wrong. Actually, he's not even wrong, he's simply confused IMO, since he comes to a true conclussion. Yes, conditions have changed, however, relations between classes didn't. There's still a vast majority with no relation to the means of production other than being the ones using them to produce goods, while the capitalists are the ones controlling the means and the commodities produced by them.

damn my post is kind of unorganized

[Armchair War Criminal]

In my view, globalisation, has brought conditions where we should organise, and build up peoples struggles, where we do not acknowledge Nations, or the difference of an American worker and a Afghan worker.

We should abolish Nations and racial identifiers from our language, to unify us, and remove all the physical, Mental, and even literary walls that divide and seperate us.
We want a classless society; should we stop referring to classes, too?

Nationality, like race and gender, is integral to a materialist understanding of capitalism as it actually exists, and always has been. Globalization has hardly changed this, and in fact represents a return to pre-1914 international norms. (This is, of course, a separate question from whether the workers of the world should unite, but since when has that not been communist dogma?)